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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,644
    edited April 2005
    Sounds good to me...

    Also might think to line the internal part of the box with this -

    http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=260-520

    Maybe put it directly behind the driver, and a few small squares on the side of the enclosure and maybe the top and bottom (5"x5" squares)

    Just to help cancel out the back wave and dampen the enclosure a lil more...

    Also might want to consider this if that isnt an option (or both) - http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=268-250

    Damping the enclosure, somehow will help dampen resonances and improve the sound of the sub overall
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited April 2005
    That spray looks about perfect!

    I dont have any interior volume to spare.

    Would they have the same effect as adding polyfill? In other words would they slow down the wave and make the box act like its bigger?
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,644
    edited April 2005
    The foam pads would act *similar* to polyfill... the spray should not, as it shouldnt take away anything from the box...

    The pads, just putting a piece on the back, and 5x5" squares on sides, top and bottom wouldnt change the volume that much...

    You could also add .5x.5 braces (width/height of your cabinet) in the cabinet, as that would only take up like a cubic inch and wouldnt effect your volume AT ALL, pretty much... You could add 2 or so braces 12" long, .5 wide, .5 thick running horizontally and vertically without no real change, nothing you would notice or could calculate with a calculator and compensate for....

    The spray would do fine, PE also sells thinner foam pads, like .25", it isnt as designed for enclosures as the .5" foam pad I showed you, is more for doors...

    Two braces, 12" long, .5"x.5" is like .01 cu ft
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • swerve
    swerve Posts: 1,862
    edited April 2005
    If you are only charging 10 an hour and cost of tools something is wrong man. If it's a hobby that's fine... but if you want to make something out of it you can and will have to charge more. The guy I bought it from makes a living doing this so it's obvious he has to charge more... just like any other company.

    so can you build me a rear horn enclosure?

    -adam
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited April 2005
    What are the advantages to adding vibe damping to the inside of an enclosure.

    Ive heard its supposed to give you more db's but Ive heard a lot of people say its such a minute amount its not worth it.

    Does it affect SQ any?
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,644
    edited April 2005
    Can I? sure... will I? no

    I am just 16, and I don't mind hooking forum members up....

    I charge 10 to members because obviously I am still a student...

    but in the next year or so as I pack more experience under the belt...I will raise the price per hour...

    I can build as good, if not better of a box than anyone else right now...
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,644
    edited April 2005
    Not sure what you mean by adding vibe damping...

    Adding damping to an enclosure should help with the overall accuracy, as it aids in stopping enclosure resonance and flexing, so the enclosure isnt creating as much of a sound on its own... so if you are shooting for SQ comps, you might want to consider bracing and damping, even if it means sacrificing enclosure volume...
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited April 2005
    Anyone that doubts Sid's skill should check out the website in his sig.
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  • swerve
    swerve Posts: 1,862
    edited April 2005
    Originally posted by Vr3MxStyler2k3
    Can I? sure... will I? no

    I am just 16, and I don't mind hooking forum members up....

    I charge 10 to members because obviously I am still a student...

    but in the next year or so as I pack more experience under the belt...I will raise the price per hour...

    I can build as good, if not better of a box than anyone else right now...
    Okay why not. Now you know I'm just giving you a hard time.

    But being 16 it's great you want to offer your services... it'll just be hard for people to justify it.... which sucks. but when it comes down to it as you said, experience does make you more respected.

    Is 210 for a 68 pound box shipped a bad price? depends on who you ask... for me it's not simply because it's the best service I've received for the second to lowest price. The lowest price would be the rear horn enclosure (duplicate snail shell) I inquired about which was 200 shipped but the young man took nearly 5 days to respond to my e-mail...
    no offense or anything sid...

    -adam
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,644
    edited April 2005
    Depends on what type of wood he used, seems fine...

    But he did make a hefty profit, to the larger degree of the word... (double, if not more what it costs to make and ship)

    68 pounds isnt that bad to ship, I sent a box similar of that to TX a while back and only cost me 25-30 bucks..., was the size of your sub too, was big enough to hold a toilet...

    As for a rear-horn, I could make it, but I am working on my own lil projects at the moment...
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • swerve
    swerve Posts: 1,862
    edited April 2005
    Originally posted by Vr3MxStyler2k3
    Depends on what type of wood he used, seems fine...

    But he did make a hefty profit, to the larger degree of the word... (double, if not more what it costs to make and ship)

    68 pounds isnt that bad to ship, I sent a box similar of that to TX a while back and only cost me 25-30 bucks..., was the size of your sub too, was big enough to hold a toilet...

    As for a rear-horn, I could make it, but I am working on my own lil projects at the moment...
    it's 3/4ths MDF like everyone uses. i didn't want it doubled up or anything. just braced for motor support and such.

    In a perfect world I would have bought a snail shell but then I heard the horror stories... ahhh how i love the internet.

    -adam
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited April 2005
    Snail shell?
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,644
    edited April 2005
    Causes Slow, Slimey Bass
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited April 2005
    What the hell is it?
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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited April 2005
    Originally posted by Vr3MxStyler2k3
    Causes Slow, Slimey Bass
    i've heard nothing but good things... until i found out what kind of operation they run.

    so whatever man.
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited April 2005
    WHAT THE HELL IS A SNAIL SHELL?!?!

    Jesus, what am I, a mirage? You got me on a pay-no-mid list?
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  • Systems
    Systems Posts: 14,873
    edited April 2005
    go over to powered4sound.com and read up


    it's similar to a rear horn enclosure... i few guys build duplicates and i highly considered it but i figured it's safest to go with a traditional ported enclosure.
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited April 2005
    Oh. I knew that. :D
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,644
    edited April 2005
    The best example of a snail shell is the B&W TOTL, it is literally the shape of a snail shell...

    Anyone that can beat that....deserves something good...

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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited April 2005
    Damn!! I dont care if it sounds good or not! Anything that looks that cool would be awesome just to have displayed!
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,644
    edited April 2005
    Cost as much as a house too ;)
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • neomagus00
    neomagus00 Posts: 3,899
    edited April 2005
    $33,000 each isn't quite a house, but once you consider that each speaker needs 3x100 and 1x500 (minimum!), that's a freakin lot of amplification for HT...

    yeah, i could see a stereo setup reaching over 100k...
    It's not good, very fundamentally simply not good. - geolemon

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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited April 2005
    $33,000 each?!?!?! :eek:

    Man those home audio manufacturers have got a set of balls on em.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,644
    edited April 2005
    Eh there are much more expensive speakers out there...

    The following speakers are 90,000 a pair...

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    Wilson Audio X1

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    Avalon Sentinel

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    JM Lab Grande Utopia

    This particular speaker is 125,000
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    The Wilson Audio Alexandria X2

    This is not even close to how many high dollar speakers are out there, there are even some ABOVE 125,000 a pair
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  • exalted512
    exalted512 Posts: 10,735
    edited April 2005
    those speakers better suck me and **** me for that price...
    i bought my old box that fit under my back seat for $130. 3 years later i sold it for $130+shipping. maybe i should take up sales instead of engineering...
    -Cody
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  • neomagus00
    neomagus00 Posts: 3,899
    edited April 2005
    is there an actual difference in the sound? i mean, is that lost .0025% worth 100,000 dollars?
    It's not good, very fundamentally simply not good. - geolemon

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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited April 2005
    I have heard some Focal home speakers before. I cant remember the model but they were in the $10-20,000 price range and they were pretty much breathtaking.

    It was a cool store. They dealt high end car and home audio. You could go in there and listen to Focal Utopia car speakers and Lunar amps then walk into the next room and audition some Sunfire receivers and Focal Grande Utopia speakers.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,644
    edited April 2005
    You will have to hear a pair for yourself man...

    I've heard the Wilson Audio X1... the room it was in, cost 500,000 on its own, the equipment costs just the same...

    Some of the best sound yall hear...that is reproduced...

    Worth the cost? Well, thats up to the person with the money (or might we say, excess money?)
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  • MacLeod
    MacLeod Posts: 14,358
    edited April 2005
    Ive thought about this before. If I won the lottery how over the top would I go? Honestly I doubt Id spend as much as I could. A set of LSi9's all around, a Sony ES receiver and Pioneer Elite plasma tv and Id be as happy as I could be.

    Same for car audio. Id have the new Signature speakers, a W7 and Xtant amp and be done.
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  • swerve
    swerve Posts: 1,862
    edited April 2005
    Originally posted by MacLeod
    Ive thought about this before. If I won the lottery how over the top would I go? Honestly I doubt Id spend as much as I could. A set of LSi9's all around, a Sony ES receiver and Pioneer Elite plasma tv and Id be as happy as I could be.

    Same for car audio. Id have the new Signature speakers, a W7 and Xtant amp and be done.
    I'd have 3 news cars and 3 pimped out systems...

    and about 20 prostitutes

    -adam
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