Gene Rychlak bench presses 1005 lbs!

landry_p2000

One school out of thousands. It is stated that weight training is good for some and some it is not good for. My cousin at his size, it is to his advantage. He turns 15 in April.

The football team, varsity and jr. varsity are required to max out their bench periodically. It may not help every child, but some it does for sure. They have strength coaches and personal trainers for the football teams workouts. I'm sure that they are teaching proper lifting techniques.;)

But, I see where you are coming from. I wouldn't want my son to be one of the kids that the weights did not benefit.:(

Sami

Originally posted by landry_p2000
One school out of thousands. It is stated that weight training is good for some and some it is not good for. My cousin at his size, it is to his advantage. He turns 15 in April.

"William Barnes says age is the key factor. Generally, kids in the 16-to 18-year-old range will find that a serious weight training program can produce tangible benefits.
But for younger kids, it may be less effective or could even produce damaging results, Barnes believes. Instead, a vigorous exercise program might be better, he says. "

It might be good for him, it might not, but at this point he is better off from heavy weights and doing more running and other conditioning that works out his heart and lungs. Too many times I have seen kids ruin their bodies with excercises they shouldn't be doing, or are doing wrong. If on top of that they forget strecthing it's a disaster to happen. Great shape at 18, not so much at 25 not to speak of 30+.

To each their own and their bodies but I wouldn't let my kids, if I ever have any, do heavy weight training before over 16. At that age speed and agility are much more important.

landry_p2000

Originally posted by Sami
[B
To each their own and their bodies but I wouldn't let my kids, if I ever have any, do heavy weight training before over 16. At that age speed and agility are much more important. [/B]

If your kids play sports you may not have a "say so" in it unless you don't let them participate until they become 16. I do see your point. A lot of coaches believe the weight trianing helps the kids bone and muscles become more durable as they grow. That is if executed properly. If the kid is good enough, and helps the team to the point that he is valuable to the team, I'm sure the coach would kiss the parents butt to keep him on the team.:D

Oh, by the way, I promise you that running, cardio, and conditioning play a HUGE part in South Panola's exercise program.

Sami

Originally posted by landry_p2000
If your kids play sports you may not have a "say so" in it unless you don't let them participate until they become 16.

If they aren't good enough to play sports without strength training, they won't. A lot of low level coaches don't know what they are doing, or they aren't interested in what is good for the kid in the long run, just for the good of the program now. There are many sports where strength isn't important, and even at football you don't need 14y olds lifting heavy weights.

I'd also keep a close watch on their "supplements". I wouldn't want them to develop an addiction to caffeine or **** like ephedrine, not to speak of AAS. That's just not a healthy way of life for a teenager but I do realize a lot of them now rely on them to overcome the lack of natural talent, or to be even better. Playing sports has lost (part of) the healthy origin.

p.s. this come from someone who started drinking at the age of 14, well regularly at 15

MacLeod

There is nothing wrong with 14 year olds lifting weights. If theyre not using steroids or otherwise being stupid and not being careful, theyll be fine.

Landry my man, you gained 100 pounds right off the bat because youre just getting started and thats when you gain by leaps and bounds. Think about it, do you think you can gain 100 pounds on your bench a year? If thats the case, in 4 years youll be benching 700 pounds!! You have a limit, everybody does, and the closer you get to it the slower the gains come.

There are some genetically gifted people out there to be sure. My uncle worked up to a 370 pound bench in less than a year. However this isnt the norm. You will always gain a ton of size and strength your first year. After that it slows down more and more each year. I hope Im wrong and you reach 400 by the end of this year but you should prepare yourself for your gains to start becoming harder and harder to come by.

Airplay355

again, genetics play too big a role to say someone shouldn't lift at 14 years old.....someone who is 14 could be just as biologically mature as someone who is 16....is it unsafe to lift at 16? maybe but to base when someone should start lifting based on their age is not very accurate. you can most definetely hurt yourself lifting heavy weight when you are young, but that doesn't mean everyone that age shouldnt do it. everyones body is different.

landry_p2000

Originally posted by MacLeod
Landry my man, you gained 100 pounds right off the bat because youre just getting started and thats when you gain by leaps and bounds. Think about it, do you think you can gain 100 pounds on your bench a year? If thats the case, in 4 years youll be benching 700 pounds!! You have a limit, everybody does, and the closer you get to it the slower the gains come.

There are some genetically gifted people out there to be sure. My uncle worked up to a 370 pound bench in less than a year. However this isnt the norm. You will always gain a ton of size and strength your first year. After that it slows down more and more each year. I hope Im wrong and you reach 400 by the end of this year but you should prepare yourself for your gains to start becoming harder and harder to come by.

I find that to be true, Mac. I will slow down eventually. I will hit that "wall" and start making smaller gains. Hopefully I won't be too far from my goal when I hit that "wall." Do you ever use any type of amino acids or creotine for a power boost? I trashed the "Ripped Fuels" I was taking, and I plan on being totally self sufficient. My 100lb gain came from only December, so I my continue to skyrocket hopefully for the next few months.;)

landry_p2000

Originally posted by Sami
If they aren't good enough to play sports without strength training, they won't. A lot of low level coaches don't know what they are doing, or they aren't interested in what is good for the kid in the long run, just for the good of the program now. There are many sports where strength isn't important, and even at football you don't need 14y olds lifting heavy weights.

I'd also keep a close watch on their "supplements". I wouldn't want them to develop an addiction to caffeine or **** like ephedrine, not to speak of AAS. That's just not a healthy way of life for a teenager but I do realize a lot of them now rely on them to overcome the lack of natural talent, or to be even better. Playing sports has lost (part of) the healthy origin.

p.s. this come from someone who started drinking at the age of 14, well regularly at 15 [/QUOTE

I just called his cell phone, and they do not take any supplements whatsoever. If you stop your kids from playing sports, that is your choice. I won't unless I see it affecting them in any way.

What you said about the coaches caring mainly about the program is very true. I still feel that it is fine for a 14 year old to "hit the iron." I do however respect your choices that will be made for your yung n's and there future.;)

MacLeod

Maybe Im just jealous cause I dont want you benching more than me!!

The only supplement that has ever worked for me is creatine.

I go to GNC and buy a big ol jug of Creadrive for like $20. Its 5.25 grams per scoop and I take 1 and a half scoops after each workout and thats it.

One thing about creatine. A lot of manufacturers like to recommend "loading phases" where you take 15 or so grams per day to get it built up properly. This is a load of crap. This is not just me saying this but there have been studies done and there is no benefit to using this much. If you get some, start out with 5 grams after each workout and thats it.

Sami

Originally posted by landry_p2000
I still feel that it is fine for a 14 year old to "hit the iron." I do however respect your choices that will be made for your yung n's and there future.;)

I would not stop them from lifting weights at that age but I would stop them from going for heavy lifts. Besides there are alternatives out there for weights, more so at that age. I would not allow my kids to participate on HS weight lifting program without knowing what is going on, what kind of routine he is going through and knowing what he is doing.

I lift weights regularly and I'm a big supporter of it but I just personally feel there are many things more beneficial than heavy lifting at that age.

About the supplements, the coach might not be supplying them or even know about them. Yet, I'm sure a lot of these kids are taking some, at least protein. It's very easy for a young kid to take the wrong path because someone tries something and passes it along. Ephedrine was a big news among young athletes just a moment ago and that's a nasty habit of poisoning your body with something you think is harmless. The benefits seem to outgain the negatives, especially at that age when you want to be big and strong at any cost.

landry_p2000

Originally posted by MacLeod
Maybe Im just jealous cause I dont want you benching more than me!!

The only supplement that has ever worked for me is creatine.

I go to GNC and buy a big ol jug of Creadrive for like $20. Its 5.25 grams per scoop and I take 1 and a half scoops after each workout and thats it.

One thing about creatine. A lot of manufacturers like to recommend "loading phases" where you take 15 or so grams per day to get it built up properly. This is a load of crap. This is not just me saying this but there have been studies done and there is no benefit to using this much. If you get some, start out with 5 grams after each workout and thats it.

I doubt that I will catch you any time soon big guy!

I am on a mission to get that 400lb mark. Anything too much over that would make me feel like a freak. :rolleyes:

I hear that creatine is a great supplement for muscle developement. I am trying to go at it with no pills, powder, or anything at all. I know that it is still natural as long as you don't use steroids. I had a teacher in the 11th grade that was also a coach. He used steroids in college and his daughter was born mentally retarded. He doesn't like to talk about it much but he has always stressed the importance of a drug-free workout. Creatine is cool, and the Ripped Fuels are good also, but I am going to see how far natural ability will take me. He recommends that we use either of the two if we wanted to, but NO STEROIDS!

So Mac, what is the measurement of those gunz? I know at least 19" around!:D

Sami

Originally posted by landry_p2000
I had a teacher in the 11th grade that was also a coach. He used steroids in college and his daughter was born mentally retarded.

I don't condone steroids for other than medical purposes but these two things are very unlikely to be linked to each other. Anyone can have a mentally retarded kid, it happens all the time.

bvette94

I too am a big fan of using creatine and met rx or eas . I gained a lot of strength and mass from it. I maxed my bench at 440 in my prime. I did it when i weighed 265 pounds. one thing i suggest if you use ceatine only use it for about 4 to 6 weeks then take a rest from it for a few because it will make you look bloated or puffy and you will retain water. I must ask Mac though why do you take creatine after your work out instead of an hour before. I am not trying to debate just curious. I have in the past mixed a little with a met rx immedietly after my work out. It seems i had the best results taking it shortly before my work out. I usually just took a scoop directly out of the container dry and then washed it down with water. I didnt have to spike it with some type of fruit juice. I must say that steroid free is the way to go when weight lifting. I never used but i know several people who have. steroids a lot of money and in my opinion only create short term results and long term problems.

Sami

Right after the workout if you take the creatine with some simple sugar, you will digest it easily as your body is starving for carbs.

MacLeod

In all the articles and tests Ive read on creatine, they all found that taking it within 30 minutes after a workout gave the best results.

Also creatine is already in your body and is totally 100% natural. It aids in the transfer of energy to your muscles. All youre doing by supplementing is giving your body the ability to transport more energy (like going from a delivery van to an 18 wheeler).

As far as mearuring my arms, are you kidding? That is the height of vanity. I would never stoop so low as to measure my arms. That it is for people who are shallow, vein and conceited!

..........{ahem} theyre 19.25".

Airplay355

actually some steroids can effect gametic formation which can in turn effect the chromosomal inheritance of a child. some mental illnesses are linked to chromosomal problems. steroids might not cause a mental illness but they can up the statistical chances that you will have a child with mental retardation. you are right though, anyone can have a mentally retarded child.

landry_p2000

Originally posted by Sami
I don't condone steroids for other than medical purposes but these two things are very unlikely to be linked to each other. Anyone can have a mentally retarded kid, it happens all the time.

Unlikely or not, that was the doctors diagnosis for her being born that way. That came from his mouth directly. Not me just guessing. You are right, that does happen all the time. But in this case, it was because of steroids. The reason we know this is because the doctor made this diagnosis without knowing that he was on steroids.:o

I am not just guessing Sami, I am telling you what I know.

landry_p2000

Originally posted by MacLeod
As far as mearuring my arms, are you kidding? That is the height of vanity. I would never stoop so low as to measure my arms. That it is for people who are shallow, vein and conceited!

..........{ahem} theyre 19.25".

That's what I thought....Show off!:D

PolkThug

The World's Strongest Boy could kick my butt.

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Health/story?id=570290

landry_p2000

Originally posted by PolkThug
The World's Strongest Boy could kick my butt.

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Health/story?id=570290

I saw a special report about that kid on tv a couple of weeks ago. Sad case. He was abused, and beaten by his old man. He also wasn't allowed to play with the kids his age. The father was like this hard **** drill sgt type dude, with strict rules for the kid.
He should have let him be a kid.:(

dragon1952

I didn't even know that kids that age could do that! :eek:

RuSsMaN

Catch him at the local freak show, in the tent right next to the bearded lady.

Toxis

to bad that's so bad for his body, that when he starts to get older, he'll have more issues than he can shake a barbell at.

Polkersince85

My son will be 17 in Sept. He started using small barbells at 14. He now is about 5'7" @ 145 lbs. He benches 175. Last week, the teacher at school tested all the boys for fitness. He did 132 pushups, rested a while and then did 160 situps. All natural strength. Kinda proud of him.

Sami

Pushups and situps, I can still remember the old military tests we had every month I served. Pullups, vertical jump, situps and pushups. All done in a row with no rest between. All but vertical jump had 60s limit. I think I scored a little over 100 pushups at my best in 60 seconds, a few under on situps. I was 19 and I think I had done weights maybe once or twice in my life.

Those were the days, Coopers test (a 12min run), 3400m which is a little over 2.1 miles. Not the greatest score but not bad for a guy who was a sprinter, not a distance runner.

I might have not been the strongest guy out there but nobody could catch me so it didn't matter.

MacLeod

Kind of like the old saying, "I can run faster scared than you can mad."

bikezappa

The snatch.

This Olympic lift requires speed, flexablity, balance and power.

Sami

Originally posted by MacLeod
Kind of like the old saying, "I can run faster scared than you can mad."

More like I'll make you run to exhaustion and then I'll bunch your lights out. Kinda like Ali - Foreman in Zaire.

Don't get me wrong, I knocked out plenty of big dudes in my younger days, some of them had half a feet and/or 100lb on me. Speed kills.

MacLeod

Thats always been my problem. Granted Ive not been in a scrap since I quit the security and bouncing scene years back but Im sure its no different.

If I get a hold of you its probably over, but if I dont get hold of you pretty quick, Im over. I aint built for long distances!

Sami

Originally posted by MacLeod
Thats always been my problem. Granted Ive not been in a scrap since I quit the security and bouncing scene years back but Im sure its no different.

If I get a hold of you its probably over, but if I dont get hold of you pretty quick, Im over. I aint built for long distances!

The problem with big men is that they are often very slow. On a tight corner they might hold their own but on open space they are getting pounded by the quicker guy. Of course it all depends on skill too, as proved by Royce.

Ever watch Bob Sapp fight? Perfect example of why a bodybuilder type doesn't make an ideal fighter.