ANTI-CABLEs

mantis · January 2005

Funny Troy Russ and clan.....

Is it so hard to talk about something without all the crap?

RuSsMaN · January 2005

Eh, what are you, an active AUDIO member again?

Don't you have some aggression to let out? You know, via video games and German sedans?

Cheers,
Rooster

PS : 13 19 28 33 39 45, I got those off the back of my fortune today - and they MIGHT be lucky - the beef fried rice was EXCELLENT.

F1nut · January 2005

Trollin' Trollin' Trollin', keep those opinions Trollin'.........

shack · January 2005

Well....I'm back now from changing out all my cables....the expensive voodoo stuff is all gone....replaced with the cheap but every bit as good stuff.

Sounds like ****....but I'm content and happy in my new enlightened state of audio nirvana since I'm no longer under the spell of the evil snake oil, hot air marketing types.

halo · January 2005

Wow! Looks like I hit a nerve with the "experts" around here.

I guess that I don't own fancy equipment to prove that my overpriced cables & my bargain basement cables sound the same. I'll have to cry your pardon (NOT!) for letting me believe my eyes & ears when I saw and heard no difference between the big "M" and cables/wires of an inferior (according to the experts) brand....which, I guess, is anything but "M" right?

34 years of experience really paid off eh? It didn't take that long for me - thank goodness! I guess you are a little slow. Thats OK...nobody is perfect. Oops! I forgot about "M"!

RuSsMaN · January 2005

And for the third time in one vening, we geek a peek in Peersool's bag....

Yep, nothing.

What Polk speakers do you own anyway, dickbump?

Cheers,
Rooster

halo · January 2005

Oh I get it now. I'm not allowed to have an opinion unless I have top-of-the-line from Polk Audio, right?

DickBump was it? Get over yourself!

dorokusai · January 2005

Well, whatever, ignore list here we come. You have nothing for me, so why bother, please add me as well. Opinions are great, just try to back them up at some point.

You haven't done anything but get on your soapbox, and I for one simply don't care, you are common.

It will be like you never existed. CYA!

shack · January 2005

It's all becoming clear now....he thinks Monster cables are the high end stuff....Bet he used them on his Bose rig....

Yep....a big bag of nothing....

halo · January 2005

My initail goal was simple. Save people money. People who don't need THX certified, Reference, blah, blah,blah. Not everyone has THE BEST stuff & for those people I don't think that "M" or brands like it are neccessary. I've owned JBL, Bose, Orion & Infinity before I purchased the Polks that I now own. I like them far better than the others. I don't need "M" WIRES TO TELL ME THAT THEY SOUND FANTASTIC. But, I'm running "M" to my mains and various other brands (of the same gauge) to everything else. I simply do not hear any difference between any of them regardless of which wire is running to what speaker.

You guys really are out there. God forbid the common man has an opinion.

I'm also tired of bickering with the "experts".

I'm out. You guys are just so much better $$$$ than me.

FYI: I own R50 A+B Main L&R, R15 Surround & back surround, CSi20 Center.

Peace;)

F1nut · January 2005

Another one bits the dust, and another one gone, and another one gone, another one bits the dust.......

:rolleyes:

dorokusai · January 2005

Just because one owns what they own, doesn't mean they push that on others.

I am actually a strong advocate of Signal Cable, a VERY affordable alternative to high end cables, and I keep my personal gear and choices private if at all possible. There are many alternatives to high end.

You have an agenda, and it's clear to the entire forum.

Noone here is trying to "steer" anyone to spend college funds.

You just arrived here, and all of a sudden you know everything about our forum huh? Well, us "experts" are here, and have been here for a reason....because we do care about this place, and it's not about misleading our friends.

Your presence is the atypical arrival of the semi-monthly newbie who forms an early opinion based on a couple threads....or came with an agenda. Atypical.

I would hope that you change your attitude and begin to become productive and add something to our forum.

EDIT: I removed a comment which I thought was a little mean-spirited.

Happy Listening!

TroyD · January 2005

Originally posted by mantis

Is it so hard to talk about something without all the crap?

No more difficult, I suppose, than using plain english rather than using fortune cookie-speak.

H. K. Fooey

reeltrouble1 · January 2005

What's left to say?

Nothing from Nothing leaves Nothing.

RT1

TroyD · January 2005

My initail goal was simple. Save people money

Oh? That was your goal? :rolleyes:

People who don't need THX certified, Reference, blah, blah,blah. Not everyone has THE BEST stuff & for those people I don't think that "M" or brands like it are neccessary

How do you know what I or anyone else owns? Seems like you are making a rather rash generalization. THX? Are you kidding?

Do you even know what THX is?

F1, Mark? You guys got any THX wire laying around?? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

You don't think brands like it ar neccessary? You THINK? No, THINKING would constitute having an opinion. You believe your position to be FACTUAL not opinion.

I don't need "M" WIRES TO TELL ME THAT THEY SOUND FANTASTIC. But, I'm running "M" to my mains and various other brands (of the same gauge) to everything else.

So, other than 'M' what other wires and cables do you have experience with? I mean, I'm sure you aren't at the mantis level of experience but surely you can enlighten us on what other cables you own. OR could it be, you need to feel good about what you have so you have to trash what others might have and enjoy?

I simply do not hear any difference between any of them regardless of which wire is running to what speaker.

Ok, in and of itself, nothing wrong with that. Tell me how that makes anything absolute fact? Could it be that other people DO hear differences?

You guys really are out there. God forbid the common man has an opinion

Who says we aren't common? That is a pretty rash assumption, actually. We are all pretty ordinary guys who just happen to share a passion for audio. Actually, I'm willing to bet that some of us have spent LESS (because we buy used gear) on our rigs than you did. Does that make us less common? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I'm out.

I doubt it.

BDT

halo · January 2005

TroyD -

What is the deal?

I DO NOT think that anything I stated was a fact! I stated several times that this was my OPINION.

A lot of people asked what was in my "bag" - fyi: I didn't understand what that meant - & then I'm being dismissed as common because I didn't disclose it.

I didn't spend a lot of $ on my Polks. I got 'em when sales were run over a period of time. I paid less for my Polks than what 1 pair of SDA speakers are going for used on eBay.

I guess it was wrong of me to assume you all had killer systems but not many of you disclosed what you were running and the few that did are using some pretty pricey stuff - even if it is used.

By the way, THX = George Lucas, Lucasfilm, Tomlinson Holman EXperiment. http://www.thx.com/mod/company/overview.html & yes Monster Cable does make THX cables: http://www.monstercable.com/thx/

If I'm un-educated than why don't you (seriously now) help me out? I'm willing to learn & explore other avenues despite what you may think. I got ripped off once and I wanted to save other people from the same experience.

My goal WAS & STILL IS to save people (Newbees) money. Read the 1st post. I think a wire is just a wire no matter who manufactured it. I was immediately attacked by pretty much everyone in the forum.

By the way...initaly I thought you made more sense than the rest of the bunch - "No more difficult, I suppose, than using plain english rather than using fortune cookie-speak".

Listen man, I thought thiss was a friendly place where people could express opinions. Now I'm not so sure. I'm sorry that this thing got waaaaaaaaay out of hand (Is it really All MY Fault? - Guess so). Boy oh boy, did you (and everyone else) tear me a new one!

I would honestly value other peoples ideas but I didn't get any in the forum - just a bunch of smart **** comments that turned this into a pissing contest.

I think everything just got taken too far. Christ, we're talking about wire and cables here!

Later

RuSsMaN · January 2005

Yeah yeah yeah, you come trolling, then try to spin it and now you're the victim?

Monster sucks, and so do you.

Cheers,
Russ

TroyD · January 2005

If you WANT to learn, cool. However, you plowed in here with an agenda and started spewing forth your agenda.

Now, some folks on this board have DECADES of experience with different gear and so forth and are more than happy to share what they think. However, you, based on ONE experience are content to think that you have THE answer. That's poor form and VERY rude. If you are polite and exhibit some level of civility (which to this point, you haven't) you will be welcomed with open arms as is the VAST majority.

Now, if you want to check your attitude at the door.....

First, I would challenge you to pull all the cables out of your rig. ALL of them. Replace them with the standard patch chords that came with the gear. Sit quietly and listen to 4 or 5 songs (that's right, plain old 2 channel music) of familiar, well recorded music. Really concentrate on what you are hearing and focus on the sound. Ok, once you've done that, replace the standard patch chords with what you have, monster or whatever you are using now (would help if the cables are all the same, if you are using a receiver this is pretty easy) and repeat the same few songs. Listen carefully. Do you hear a difference??

If you don't listen carefully, meaning if you just use music as room filler while you are doing other things, nope, you probably won't ever hear a difference and will be just as well served, I suppose, with patch chords. I'm also far less critical when it comes to movies and surround as it's just ambient noise to me. However, when it comes to seriously listening to music the differences are there and are audible but you have to pay attention.

BDT

TroyD · January 2005

I would honestly value other peoples ideas but I didn't get any in the forum - just a bunch of smart **** comments that turned this into a pissing contest.

Do you really need someone to explain WHY you got the response you did?

You acted like an ****. Response (as in the forum in general) was in kind.

Manners go a long way in life.

BDT

jdhdiggs · January 2005

Well, my experience is somewhere in between. Once I got to a large enough gauge, the sound stabilized. This was consistant across the board regardless of price until truly non-traditional wires are used.

To me, MIT's sound the same as 12Ga lamp chord, BUT bi-wiring 10Ga to the bottom post and and 4 lenghts CAT 5 on the top sounded much different. I'd imagine the Polk Cobra's are also different sounding as well. (Not neccessarily better, but different).

In my experience, once you are of sufficient gauge, the only changes you can make are modifying the impedence of the wire.

I would also state that I have no problem with admitting that others have more sensitive hearing then I do.

TroyD · January 2005

Personally, I believe, as I've said before, that the difference between standard patch cables and any sort of entry level cable (AR, monster etc) is the most dramatic. The next step up is reasonably pronounced as well (signal, MIT, AQ entry level). However, the law of diminishing returns kicks in fairly quickly as you go up the ladder. I think the differences exist, it's a matter of how much value you place in those differences.

BDT

F1nut · January 2005

I think everything just got taken too far. Christ, we're talking about wire and cables here!

Yes we are and they play a very important part in a well balanced set up.

You came charging in (1st post) stating that wires suck. Well, the problem is that there are many here who know for a fact that wires can make a difference, so you're barking up the wrong tree.

My goal WAS & STILL IS to save people (Newbees) money.

You ARE a newbie. Get your learn on first, one experience with wire does not make you an expert.

I paid less for my Polks than what 1 pair of SDA speakers are going for used on eBay.

So! I've got news for you, the SDA's are a better speaker than anything Polk has made since.

Some friendly advice, chill out and know what you're talking about before talking about it.

mantis · January 2005

Russ,

When I'm driving down the long windy roads in my German automobile , I still think from time to time about how much I love audio and video.
When I'm killer Mo fo's online playing video games I'm using my audio and video system.
I do still come in here from time to time but with all the crap that theads like this one turns into, I dont have much to say.

I firmly believe( I didn't in the past) feel that everything audio and video needs to be experienced by the user. Only that person can decide weather the next level is worth the asking price.

Without any comments yoou know exactly how I feel about wire.This guy here will learn his way if it's intresting enough for him.

I will go to say the following in non furtune cookie yoda type...

Most people can't hear the difference. Put a tv in front of them and all the differences are there. I see so many people see minor changes I do to there video but the audio isn't as clear.
I think people who are into music more then surround look for better audio.Makes sense right? Funny guys how I can hang a 50 inch Pioneer Elite plasma and the customer wants to buy the cheapest home theater in a box to go with it.Or better use the tv speakers.I used to try to explain that the audio is just as important to the experience as the video is . Most disagree.

As for the new guy , some of the guys in here are jerks.Good guys underneath the forum tuff guy front. Even Russ and Troy are really good guys but always feel the need to do what they do. It's not you dude it happens to so many people. O and the clan do follow with the bag comment s and such. If you read around here you will learn what these comments mean.

There is alot to be learned in audio and video. Wire is just as important as the speakers they are connected to. The dvd player, the tv and such.

I do however also offer this. Wire is only needed to be as good as the components it's connected to.Better wire will not make lesser gear sound better. Balance is key here.

Dan

So how did I do Fellas??? Russ Troy ????????

TroyD · January 2005

You know Dan, when you drop the pretentiousness, you ALMOST sound like a normal person with a modicum of common sense. ALMOST.

BDT

mantis · January 2005

I'm speechless.

janmike · January 2005

Hi, it's me again. Just thought I would could again at half-time and ask another question. I for one am new to this audio world and admit I know ZIP about most of it. I am open minded and will experiment a little. It's not The Sieve of Eratosthenes so I'm a little lost.

I am about to purchase one cable from Signal Cable for my centre channel speaker. That's it for now. I need a 7 ft. cable for my CSi5 speaker back to my Yamaha RX-V1500. Should I purchase a Classic Single-Wire or a Ultra (Double Run) Single-wire . Obviously I need only one cable and that is all I would order. Appreciate the advise.

Michael

dorokusai · January 2005

The Ultra Double run would be my choice. You will really like it when you see it in person.

mantis · January 2005

The Ultra Double run would be my choice. You will really like it when you see it in person.

umm ok so how does it sound???

dorokusai · January 2005

Well, beings I rewired my entire 5.1 HT with IT may lead you in a certain direction, don't you think?

mantis · January 2005

Well depending where your going ... Better sound or better looks.;)

ANTI-CABLEs

Comments