ANTI-CABLEs

janmike
janmike Posts: 6,146
edited January 2005 in Basic Hookup/Wiring Questions
Have any of you folks heard of this guy and/or tried his product. Just wondering if this is decent stuff or just a lot of marketing BS.

Anti-Cables

Thanks
Michael ;)
In the beginning, all knowledge was new!
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,987
    edited December 2004
    Try 'em, and report back.

    Cheers,
    Russ
    Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service.
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  • janmike
    janmike Posts: 6,146
    edited January 2005
    I usually like to research something first before I go out and spend $200+ US funds.
    Michael ;)
    In the beginning, all knowledge was new!
    NORTH of 60°
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,987
    edited January 2005
    The ad states they start at $40 a pair, try 'em and report back.

    Cheers,
    Russ
    Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service.
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  • janmike
    janmike Posts: 6,146
    edited January 2005
    Russ,

    I would easily spend the $40 if that short a distance would suffice my setup requirements. The minimum distance that I need is 8 feet on each side. I'm in Canada, so shipping is NOT free. I may as well save on the shipping and add a centre channel cable. No sense adding in the rears, that is 40 feet away. So if you add the numbers up, with shipping, duty & exchange, it is getting close to $200. This is not a hard luck story, my situation is definitely a little different than yours. I thought the Polk Audio web site would be a good place to seek additional information; a place where people have expertise in the audio world. As a newcomer to the Polk Audio World, I hope I am not wrong.

    Regards,
    Michael
    Michael ;)
    In the beginning, all knowledge was new!
    NORTH of 60°
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited January 2005
    I don't think anybody here owns those. I wouldn't waste my money on them, they're nothing more than a solid strand of copper.
    Never Forget
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  • John K.
    John K. Posts: 822
    edited January 2005
    Mike, if you're looking for accurate information on speaker wire , this article and wire table by a well-respected veteran audio professional sets out the facts, not mere personal opinions. The item that you linked is typical of the quagmire of misinformation that we have to wade through in audio. The three reasons that he gives for the supposed superiority of his wire make no technical sense. The electromagnetic wave that carries the power for a speaker simply needs a piece of metal of low electrical resistance to travel along. There's no mystery or hidden secrets that somehow will improve the quality of the sound, despite frequent claims made to open the wallets of the gullible. Nothing better than standard lampcord of adequate gauge is necessary or even possible. Don't waste your money.
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  • bikezappa
    bikezappa Posts: 2,463
    edited January 2005
    John K

    Thanks for directing me to that very interesting group of articles.

    It's always nice to see Hi Fi articles using Ohms Law as the bases of the discussion.

    Amazing is the **** advertizers and politicians use to convince people to spead their money.

    Quote from NOW on PBS

    MOYERS: My favorite essay, in my favorite book of yours, A DEVIL'S CHAPLAIN, is the letter you wrote to your daughter when she was 10 years old. The title of it is "Good Reasons and Bad Reasons for Believing." Would you read the last paragraph of that letter?
    DAWKINS: I'd be pleased to.
    "What can we do about all of this? It's not easy for you to do anything because you are only 10. But you could try this. Next time somebody tells you something that sounds important, think to yourself, 'Is this the kind of thing that people probably know because of evidence or is it the kind of thing that people only believe because of tradition, authority or revelation?' And next time somebody tells you that something is true, why not say to them, 'What kind of evidence is there for that?' And if they can't give you a good answer, I hope you'll think very carefully before you believe a word they say. Your loving Daddy."
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,647
    edited January 2005
    Believe it or not gents, there is more to life and audio than facts. If both were as black and white as you seem to think they are, wouldn't things be easy.

    One needs to have an open mind with this subjective hobby of ours and not rely on "facts" alone. Example, tube gear in general doesn't spec well, but it almost always sounds better than SS gear with great specs. The real proof is in what your ears hear because they never lie. I don't need scientific evidence that cables make a difference because I've taken the time and effort to try various ones and have heard the differences for myself.

    To those nay sayers, I say once again, join the Cable Swap Program we have here on the forum and try some cables for yourself. It's free except for the cost of shipping, so what do you have to lose except your closed minded attitude!?!
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • bikezappa
    bikezappa Posts: 2,463
    edited January 2005
    The data in the article says that NOBODY can tell the difference between speaker wires of very similar resisitance when using the double blind test. Switching the wires yourself is not a valid test. Having someone else switching the wires takes to long to be a valid test because of the short term memory we all have.

    The article never mantioned interconnect RCA cables.

    The article ONLY talks about speaker wires, resistance and gauge size of the wire.

    The double blind speaker wire tests appear to be conducted in a scientific manner but you never know.

    I wish some had the testing equipment to loan to do bouble blind testing of speaker wire.

    If i spent $4000 on speaker wire I think I would hear a difference maybe. The article asks the question: how much length of speaker wire is required before you hear any difference?

    Also that ALL speaker voice coils are wound with 24 gauge copper wire in series with the $500 speaker wire.

    It was an excellent article with data and facts. I encourage every one to read it before spending big money on speaker wire.
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  • beardog03
    beardog03 Posts: 5,550
    edited January 2005
    To those nay sayers, I say once again, join the Cable Swap Program we have here on the forum and try some cables for yourself. It's free except for the cost of shipping, so what do you have to lose except your closed minded attitude!?!



    He`s right ya know......

    Check it out....a lot of people put a lot of effort into this very topic
    Cary SLP-98L F1 DC Pre Amp (Jag Blue)
    Parasound HCA-3500
    Cary Audio V12 amp (Jag Red)
    Polk Audio Xm Reciever (Autographed by THE MAN Himself) :cool:
    Magnum Dynalab MD-102 Analog Tuna
    Jolida JD-100 CDP
    Polk Audio LSi9 Speaks (ebony)
    SVS PC-Ultra Sub
    AQ Bedrock Speaker Cables (Bi-Wired)
    MIT Shotgun S1 I/C`s
    AQ Black Thunder Sub Cables
    PS Audio Plus Power Cords
    Magnum Dynalab ST-2 FM Antenna
    Sanus Cherry wood Speak Stands
    Adona AV45CS3 / 3 Tier Rack (Black /Gold)

    :cool:
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  • bikezappa
    bikezappa Posts: 2,463
    edited January 2005
    As I understand it the cable program is about RCA interconnects not speaker cables.

    It does sound like a great way to test interconnects for low cost.

    The article wasn't about RCA interconnects, but speaker wire.
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  • beardog03
    beardog03 Posts: 5,550
    edited January 2005
    Maybe I`ll get a pair and test them against
    Monster cable, AQ type 4, and these, and see if I can tell the diff...

    By the way I do not endorse Monster cable in any way as they suck , and are mean to kids...
    Cary SLP-98L F1 DC Pre Amp (Jag Blue)
    Parasound HCA-3500
    Cary Audio V12 amp (Jag Red)
    Polk Audio Xm Reciever (Autographed by THE MAN Himself) :cool:
    Magnum Dynalab MD-102 Analog Tuna
    Jolida JD-100 CDP
    Polk Audio LSi9 Speaks (ebony)
    SVS PC-Ultra Sub
    AQ Bedrock Speaker Cables (Bi-Wired)
    MIT Shotgun S1 I/C`s
    AQ Black Thunder Sub Cables
    PS Audio Plus Power Cords
    Magnum Dynalab ST-2 FM Antenna
    Sanus Cherry wood Speak Stands
    Adona AV45CS3 / 3 Tier Rack (Black /Gold)

    :cool:
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,647
    edited January 2005
    Originally posted by bikezappa

    I wish some had the testing equipment to loan to do bouble blind testing of speaker wire.


    You do, your ears. ;)

    You brought up a good point, the Program is just IC's and not speaker cable, my mistake. There is a company that you can "rent" speaker cables from, http://www.fatwyre.com/ that might be worth looking into.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • bikezappa
    bikezappa Posts: 2,463
    edited January 2005
    Maybe I don't write well. People have told me that.

    The double blind test with proper equipment means you and your ears don't know what you are listening to: speaker wire !# or speaker wire 2#.

    The test is set up to test your ablity to determine a difference in the sound to your ears. It is good data.

    I can be fooled by what I hear. And I can't remember the sonic signature of a music passage well enough to make accurate comparisons.

    The double blind test, if conducted properly, tells me and YOU if I can or can't tell the difference, because it is accurate data.

    If I say putting mustard on my speaker wire changes the sound for the better would you be skeptical?

    I hope so.
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited January 2005
    It will include speaker cables this year.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,647
    edited January 2005
    Hmmm...mustard. I haven't tried that one, but kosher pickles placed every foot or so seem to add a little flavor. :D
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • beardog03
    beardog03 Posts: 5,550
    edited January 2005
    Yellow mustard or da grey ****-on..?
    Cary SLP-98L F1 DC Pre Amp (Jag Blue)
    Parasound HCA-3500
    Cary Audio V12 amp (Jag Red)
    Polk Audio Xm Reciever (Autographed by THE MAN Himself) :cool:
    Magnum Dynalab MD-102 Analog Tuna
    Jolida JD-100 CDP
    Polk Audio LSi9 Speaks (ebony)
    SVS PC-Ultra Sub
    AQ Bedrock Speaker Cables (Bi-Wired)
    MIT Shotgun S1 I/C`s
    AQ Black Thunder Sub Cables
    PS Audio Plus Power Cords
    Magnum Dynalab ST-2 FM Antenna
    Sanus Cherry wood Speak Stands
    Adona AV45CS3 / 3 Tier Rack (Black /Gold)

    :cool:
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,200
    edited January 2005
    The botom line is if you can hear a difference then buy good or the ones that sound better then the others. If no difference is heard then buy the cheapest you can find.

    Theres no point in trying to tell someone there is or there isn't a difference. If that person can't tell for themselves , it's there loss and there gain. Think about it.

    Dan
    Dan
    My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited January 2005
    Dan,

    Did you take a special class where they taught you to speak the fortune cookie language??

    BDT
    I plan for the future. - F1Nut
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited January 2005
    "Teach you I will." -Master Yoda
    Never Forget
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  • halo
    halo Posts: 5,616
    edited January 2005
    A rose is a rose & wire is wire & cable is cable. Hype is crap. I fell for it once & now I know better. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice (NOT!) shame on me.

    Just because you spend more money doesn't mean your getting a better product. In my opinoin you are just buying hot air that their advertising and creative writing department employees have sold you on. Think about those infomercials you see. You know that the stuff is junk.

    KEEP IT SIMPLE :D
    Audio: Polk S15 * Polk S35 * Polk S10 * SVS SB-1000 Pro
    HT: Samsung QN90B * Marantz NR1510 * Panasonic DMP-BDT220 * Roku Ultra LT * APC H10
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  • Mjr7531
    Mjr7531 Posts: 856
    edited January 2005
    And that opens a can of worms... :rolleyes:
    I would second Mantis on the basis that this hobby is a hobby, you do things to make yourself happy, if you want to get better cable, and it sounds better to you, it does, go for it.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited January 2005
    Originally posted by peersool
    A rose is a rose & wire is wire & cable is cable. Hype is crap.

    Just because you spend more money doesn't mean your getting a better product. In my opinoin you are just buying hot air that their advertising and creative writing department employees have sold you on.

    Damn! I just thought I heard a difference when I did the blind tests between the el cheapo stuff and the (what I now know to be) "Snake Oil and/or Hot Air" products. It's getting pretty bad when you can't trust your own ears anymore. Now I guess that I need to list all my cables and speaker wires on E-bay before the word on this gets out so I can at least get some of my money back from other unsuspecting souls. I'm soooooo glad I've been enlightened... :rolleyes:
    "Just because you’re offended doesn’t mean you’re right." - Ricky Gervais

    "For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible." - Stuart Chase

    "Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago." - Bernard Berenson
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,647
    edited January 2005
    Shack daddy.......:D
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • halo
    halo Posts: 5,616
    edited January 2005
    Now now. You should all be thinking CLEAN thoughts (Since you've all been BRAINWASHED so thoroughly by bright shiny packages, tough names, & higher prices).

    Throw your money away if you want to. You earned it - do what you want with it.
    Audio: Polk S15 * Polk S35 * Polk S10 * SVS SB-1000 Pro
    HT: Samsung QN90B * Marantz NR1510 * Panasonic DMP-BDT220 * Roku Ultra LT * APC H10
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited January 2005
    Hey look everyone, the Troll-of-the-Month club came through again! Woo Hoo!
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited January 2005
    I was beginning to think that our subscription to that club had lapsed.

    While I think that the wire and cable world does have a lot of BS associated to it, and there aren't many folks more skeptical than I, to say that all cables sound the same is rediculous.

    Now, if you want to talk about the PRICE of wire and cables, different story.

    BDT
    I plan for the future. - F1Nut
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,987
    edited January 2005
    I've got $.16/ft 16/2 Lamp cord in use, and $700 PS Audio 8 guage, and everything in between. It's all a matter of scale, really.

    Peersool is just re-directing his anger at his father, towards 'high(er) end cables'. Peersool, he loves you, you love him. Give him a call, work this out - it's just flat out not healthy to go on like this.

    At least that's all I can figure, since he didn't just try to make a point, and came right out of the gates with his flame suit on.

    You don't like em, guess what cochise, you don't have to buy em.

    Cheers,
    Russ
    Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited January 2005
    Troll......? Surely not! I'm sure our Rocket Scientist friend from the Windy City has no motive except to point out to us the error of our ways and thinking. It's all good....I know after spending 34 years or so in this audio hobby that his sage advise is a refreshing breath of fresh air that I will embrace and cherish for the rest of my life. I'm so glad I saved all of those "patch cords" and 24 ga. wire from all of those consumer electronics purchased over the years. I'll be back a little later. I'm off to replace all those over-priced, over-hyped cables and interconnects on my gear with the "really good stuff".
    "Just because you’re offended doesn’t mean you’re right." - Ricky Gervais

    "For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible." - Stuart Chase

    "Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago." - Bernard Berenson
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  • beardog03
    beardog03 Posts: 5,550
    edited January 2005
    You ddddddddn`t work for that "M" company do you..?
    Cary SLP-98L F1 DC Pre Amp (Jag Blue)
    Parasound HCA-3500
    Cary Audio V12 amp (Jag Red)
    Polk Audio Xm Reciever (Autographed by THE MAN Himself) :cool:
    Magnum Dynalab MD-102 Analog Tuna
    Jolida JD-100 CDP
    Polk Audio LSi9 Speaks (ebony)
    SVS PC-Ultra Sub
    AQ Bedrock Speaker Cables (Bi-Wired)
    MIT Shotgun S1 I/C`s
    AQ Black Thunder Sub Cables
    PS Audio Plus Power Cords
    Magnum Dynalab ST-2 FM Antenna
    Sanus Cherry wood Speak Stands
    Adona AV45CS3 / 3 Tier Rack (Black /Gold)

    :cool:
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