Fellas, ya' gotta try this. Cheap and effective way to extract more out of your system!

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  • invalid
    invalid Posts: 1,365
    What brand breaker are we talking about here?
  • xschop
    xschop Posts: 5,000
    Alot of clueless assumptions here about metals used, as the component designs vary greatly from any given breaker. Their internal sliding contacts would be the weak links IMO.

    I believe @treitz3. As with many other upgrades to the signal path exist, don't knock it 'til you try it....or you may wind up looking foolish with unwarranted denigrations.



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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,639
    Just poking around it seems the contacts in most circuit breakers are tin plated copper and I had zero success locating a silver plated copper variation of any indication supply houses were carrying a higher quality breaker then home depot.

    I wouldn't be surprised as plumbing supply house stuff is dramatically nicer
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  • Geoff4rfc
    Geoff4rfc Posts: 2,409
    treitz3 wrote: »
    What I am hearing now versus last week?

    Laughable. YMMV.

    I don't care what you think. I will enjoy while you debate and talk anything and everything but...the end result as to what hits your ears!

    When you all want to get down to serious talk (like we have for the past 6 years.....without trolls interrupting?) I am game.

    Until then? I'm seriously out. I am too old for this chit.

    Tom

    Hey brother, regarding your OP, my response to that reminds me of a song....It's your thing it's your thing, do what you want to do, I can't tell you, who to sock it to....HEY!!!

    I have no experience on the matter whatsoever so I've made no contributions other than making fun of some of the other posts....and...I've consumed WAY too much popcorn following this thread.

    I too have been criticized for some of the experiments I've tried in my set up, but the bottom line always comes to a statement you've already implied, it's what you hear that makes the difference.

    Like my good friend Davey Crocket once said...."You may all go to h e l l, as for me, I'm going to Texas"

    So rock on brother!!
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  • audioluvr
    audioluvr Posts: 5,582
    Lighten up everybody. Just some good natured ribbing among friends.
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  • invalid
    invalid Posts: 1,365
    Square D QO breakers are silver tungsten alloy according to the manufacturer.
  • ALL212
    ALL212 Posts: 1,577
    audioluvr wrote: »
    I believe you Tom!

    When I got home from work I climbed our power pole to change out the aluminum bus bars at the transformer with pure OCC copper bars. I must have been grounded installing the last one because I just remember coming to, laying in the wet grass. My GF says the impact with the ground probably restarted my heart.

    Now I'm sitting here in the sweet spot playing my reference tracks and there is a noticeable improvement! Especially with finite details! If I can only get rid of this buzzing in my left ear and the incessant smell of burnt hair.

    My vote goes here.

    …what…? it’s not a comedy club?

    Well…FFS, it sure sounded like one!!

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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,237
    I like Jaw Breakers..
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,542
    Tom your responses have been disappointing, insulting and devoid of any real information such as the make/model of your breaker and what makes the supply house one different than the same make/model sold at the box store.
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  • Gardenstater
    Gardenstater Posts: 4,459
    edited October 2023
    Looks like lots of different high silver bearing materials are used, at least in oxidizing atmospheres; Silver Tungsten, Silver Tungsten Carbide, Silver Graphite, Silver Tungsten Carbide Graphite, Silver Molybdenum, Silver Nickel, and fine Silver.

    Copper Tungsten and Copper Tungsten Carbide are used in non-oxidizing atmospheres and for arcing contacts or high contact force sufficient to overcome the oxides that form.

    Maybe treitz3 got one that was 0.9999 Silver lol.

    Keep in mind this is only the small part that comprises the "contact".

    https://www.contactechnologies.com/Contact-Technologies-Materials.htm
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,542
    edited October 2023
    From that link,
    Silver tungsten is by far the most popular of the contact material families used in circuit breakers
    That info is useful. The snide comment wasn't.
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  • Gardenstater
    Gardenstater Posts: 4,459
    Just watched this video and he is open to people sending equipment to be cryo treated and price can be negotiated by email and he will throw it in when doing a batch of other stuff. Cryo treated Circuit Breakers and outlets anyone?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0W-_WXrZjo
    George / NJ

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  • Gardenstater
    Gardenstater Posts: 4,459
    F1nut wrote: »
    From that link,
    Silver tungsten is by far the most popular of the contact material families used in circuit breakers
    That info is useful. The snide comment wasn't.

    It wasn't a snide comment. It was a lighthearted joke, because they mention "fine silver" as one of the options that is used sometimes. To me that means high purity silver. I have been supportive of treitz3 and his reporting of his experience. No rewrite necessary.
    George / NJ

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  • ChrisD06
    ChrisD06 Posts: 929
    When I got my Nothing Ear (2) I was very excited to try out the LDHC format, which would allow 900Kbps over Bluetooth instead of 320Kbps. I can tell the difference between 1411Kbps and 320Kbps, but I've never used a wireless device that was 900Kbps so I was curious to hear a difference.

    I could swear there was a difference, it sounded massive. The treble was more detailed and I was adamant the LDHC was doing its job.

    My S21 Ultra doesn't support LDHC. It was the exact same bitrate as before.
  • xschop
    xschop Posts: 5,000
    Just watched this video and he is open to people sending equipment to be cryo treated and price can be negotiated by email and he will throw it in when doing a batch of other stuff. Cryo treated Circuit Breakers and outlets anyone?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0W-_WXrZjo

    I have cryo-treated many expensive machine tooling and it does extend service life by 3-4 fold. At an atomic level, it basically condenses/compacts the metal.
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  • Gardenstater
    Gardenstater Posts: 4,459
    It reduces residual stress in aluminum alloy, greatly. -125C was optimal. I wonder if copper 3N Romex would be softer afterwards, and more flexible. Also visibly effects the grain structure towards something that looks smoother.

    Effects of Cryogenic Treatment on the Microstructure and Residual Stress of 7075 Aluminum Alloy

    https://www.mdpi.com/2075-4701/8/4/273
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  • ZLTFUL
    ZLTFUL Posts: 5,648
    Heating/cooling of metal refines its crystalline structure. Something every blacksmith or jeweler or metal worker should have a basic understanding of. That is why I believe more in the treatment of materials used in our hobby over the actual composition of a component (to an extent).
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  • xschop
    xschop Posts: 5,000
    ZLTFUL wrote: »
    Heating/cooling of metal refines its crystalline structure. Something every blacksmith or jeweler or metal worker should have a basic understanding of. That is why I believe more in the treatment of materials used in our hobby over the actual composition of a component (to an extent).

    If It's MIC, component composition is always a mystery.

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  • rceagan
    rceagan Posts: 14
    While some of the improvement may have been the fact that the connection was "refreshed", it sure wouldn't hurt to give it a $12 try. Probably a good idea to change it out anyway.
  • skrol
    skrol Posts: 3,375
    As a possibly related tangent, swapping electrical components and seeing improvements could be differences in build quality from old to new. For example, I am replacing Leviton outlets left and right in my house because the contacts are losing spring tension. The house was built in 1992 and they must have had a bad run of these things or Leviton cheaped out. The replacements are Leviton from HD. They pretty much look identical but they hold the connection far more securely. Are they made better?

    I imagine the same could be true for breakers.

    Good tip about not using the stab-in connections.
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  • gp4jesus
    gp4jesus Posts: 1,987
    edited November 2023
    ZLTFUL wrote: »
    Heating/cooling of metal refines its crystalline structure.
    I’ve heard of using cryo-treated pistons, C-rods, & crank shafts to build engines
    ZLTFUL wrote: »
    That is why I believe more in the treatment of materials used in our hobby over the actual composition of a component (to an extent).
    I’m in

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  • gp4jesus
    gp4jesus Posts: 1,987
    xschop wrote: »
    If It's MIC*, component composition is always a mystery.
    What’s that*?

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  • tophatjohnny
    tophatjohnny Posts: 4,182
    edited November 2023
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    Directions say to put this directly into the ear canal! I hear it works wonders😳
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  • msg
    msg Posts: 10,012
    skrol wrote: »
    I am replacing Leviton outlets left and right in my house because the contacts are losing spring tension. The house was built in 1992 and they must have had a bad run of these things or Leviton cheaped out. The replacements are Leviton from HD. They pretty much look identical but they hold the connection far more securely. Are they made better?
    That would be a first, wouldn't it? newer stuff made better than old?

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