SDA SRS cabinets differences

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  • gregmoyers
    gregmoyers Posts: 140
    I’m not talking about the cabinets just the beautiful solid wood top cap which is a simple square flat piece bolted to the cabinet. I like the look of solid hardwood for that. But I guess it wort out for polk. Mine are perfect after 36 years. If they weren’t I would make replacements. I don’t like the veneer that polk started using there. That’s all. Didnt mean to stirr up all the furniture guys and probably should have been more clear and stayed in my lane. But I did learn a lot about the SRS cabinet evolution and reasons for it. Fun stuff and I’m amazed at the wealth of knowledge and history on this forum. I’m humbled.
  • gregmoyers
    gregmoyers Posts: 140
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    36 year old solid caps. Love em. It’’s a shame some have cracked and warped.
  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,610
    A great example would be focal versus Wilson. One uses mdf (focal) and one uses a phenolic resin based material hard as steel.

    They have extremely different sounds, whether or not it is better or worse is hard to say but the cabinet construction definitrly has a determining factor on that difference I am sure.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,610
    gregmoyers wrote: »
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    36 year old solid caps. Love em. It’’s a shame some have cracked and warped.

    Are you sure that's solid wood? That picture was kind of hard to tell
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  • gregmoyers
    gregmoyers Posts: 140
    They are blade blade srs I bought new in ‘87. Supposed to be. Look to be. They look nothing like the 2.3’s and 1.2’s I’ve seen.
    I’m going to investigate and report back.
  • joebass3
    joebass3 Posts: 283
    edited May 2023
    Need a pic of the ends to tell for sure if it's solid or veneer. They look similar to my SDA 1-C's that are veneer
  • gregmoyers
    gregmoyers Posts: 140
    I’m gonna say first
    Looks like veneer!
    At least on the ends.
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,494
    That is veneer.
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  • gregmoyers
    gregmoyers Posts: 140
    BLHa Ha Ha
    So……
    Not all the sda srs’ were solid.
    Wonder when they changed.

  • gregmoyers
    gregmoyers Posts: 140
    Do you have a pic of the solid ones?
  • Emlyn
    Emlyn Posts: 4,476
    edited May 2023
    The Baltimore speaker builders were known to make use of what they had laying around back in the mid 1980s around transition periods between versions and when they figured out improvements were needed. The benefit of being basically hand built.

    🤪
  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,610
    Yeah definitely veneer!
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
  • gregmoyers
    gregmoyers Posts: 140
    Maybe my cabinets are mdf and not “particle board”?tvnlc4f3p8sr.jpeg
  • gregmoyers
    gregmoyers Posts: 140
    Na
    Looks like pb.
  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,610
    Definitrly particle board
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
  • gregmoyers
    gregmoyers Posts: 140
    Yessir. Regardless they look nice. I got an education on antique furniture in the process.
    LOL.
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,494
    Not all of those pieces of furniture I posted are antique, some are pretty new.
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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,270
    @gregmoyers
    F1nut likes to play with his wood. He is a wood restorer by night. You should see his coffin he sleeps in by day.
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  • gregmoyers
    gregmoyers Posts: 140
    LMAO🤣🤣🤣
    He is a wealth of knowledge tho!
  • DarqueKnight
    DarqueKnight Posts: 6,765
    gregmoyers wrote: »
    Do you have a pic of the solid ones?

    The original end caps of my SDA SRSs are laminated oak boards. I say original because they were replaced with curly maple end caps:

    https://forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/131134/curly-maple-end-caps-and-side-strips-for-the-sda-srs

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    Figure 1. Original oak SDA SRS right side end caps.

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    Figure 2. Original oak SDA SRS right side end cap edge view.

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    Figure 3. Original oak SDA SRS right side end cap corner edge view.

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    Figure 4. Original oak SDA SRS right side end top closeup view.

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    Figure 5. Original oak SDA SRS right side front edge view.

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    Figure 6. Original oak SDA SRS right side edge view.

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    Figure 7. Original oak SDA SRS left side end caps.

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    Figure 8. Original oak SDA SRS left side bottom cap edge view.

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    Figure 9. Original oak SDA SRS left side top cap edge view with crack. The crack was caused by the cabinet being 61-7/16", or 1/16th" too short. The side strips were exactly 61-1/2" long. Over time the 1/16th" protrusion of the side strips caused a crack on both sides of the cap.

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    Figure 10. Original oak SDA SRS left side top cap edge view showing crack on other side. The other three caps were fine. I assumed the cracks in this cap were due to expansion/contraction of the wood. I did not find out the true cause until I replaced the original caps with the new curly maple caps and saw that the top left cap would not sit flush on the cabinet top. I could rock it up and down. I shaved 1/16th inch off each side strip and all was well.
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  • gregmoyers
    gregmoyers Posts: 140
    At some point pre ‘87 I guess they started laminating mdf.
  • gregmoyers
    gregmoyers Posts: 140
    Love the curly maple. Did you ever do your 1.2’s?
    I was thinking gloss black too. They do deserve better than what came on them.
  • DarqueKnight
    DarqueKnight Posts: 6,765
    gregmoyers wrote: »
    Love the curly maple. Did you ever do your 1.2’s?

    Yes. A few months after doing the SRSs.

    https://forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/134147/sda-srs-1-2tl-custom-wood-panels

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  • Schurkey
    Schurkey Posts: 2,100
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    The grooves broke up standing waves within the cabinet.
    By what mechanism do lil' grooves break up standing waves? They're not deep enough to have any real effect based on wavelength.

  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,494
    You might want to rethink that one.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."


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  • gregmoyers
    gregmoyers Posts: 140
    The grooves must be there for something and cabinet tuning makes the most sense. What else could it possibly be for.
  • Schurkey
    Schurkey Posts: 2,100
    F1nut wrote: »
    You might want to rethink that one.
    Fine. Give me some input on where I'm wrong.
    gregmoyers wrote: »
    The grooves must be there for something and cabinet tuning makes the most sense. What else could it possibly be for.
    I expect the goal was cabinet tuning. Standing waves doesn't make any sense to me.

    Inducing deliberate cabinet deflection/resonance is my best guess. Not only is the bassive radiator vibrating to the pressure nodes in the cabinet, the cabinet walls have intentional rigidity-reducing slices carved into it to promote (controlled) panel vibration.

    But I wasn't there when the design was being debated. I have no "inside" information.

    Which is why I asked to begin with.
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,494
    Polk stated they are to break up standing waves. I'll take their word for it.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."


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