Best Tube PreAmp under $500???

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  • jdjohn
    jdjohn Posts: 3,148
    Geez @WLDock stop tempting all of us :)
    FWIW, I love my Rogue Audio Triton phono pre-amp, and would not hesitate to purchase more Rogue gear.

    Of course I'm still trying to sell my Don Sachs tube pre-amp B)
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  • CH46E
    CH46E Posts: 3,591
    @WLDock. Wow, great list brother! Going through it now.

    Thanks!
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  • CH46E
    CH46E Posts: 3,591
    Ive seen the Schitt Freya and saw in a review a microphonics issue. If you tap on the base of the unit it transfers to the speakers. Now is this due to sub standard tubes? Or a design flaw? I have 2 nice pair of 6SN7.
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  • WLDock
    WLDock Posts: 3,073
    CH46E wrote: »
    Ive seen the Schitt Freya and saw in a review a microphonics issue. If you tap on the base of the unit it transfers to the speakers. Now is this due to sub standard tubes? Or a design flaw? I have 2 nice pair of 6SN7.
    Yes, it looks like there were improvements with the Freya+

    https://www.head-fi.org/threads/sold-schiit-freya.931427/

    https://fairhedon.com/2019/10/08/listening-to-the-schiit-freya-preamplifier/#:~:text=The differences are significant.,state has also been redesigned.
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  • audioluvr
    audioluvr Posts: 5,582
    Looks like someone's gotta take a Schit out of the closet.
    https://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/ele/d/edmonds-schiit-saga/7212170894.html
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  • audioluvr
    audioluvr Posts: 5,582
    Here's a good deal.
    https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/ele/d/seattle-modwright-instruments-swl90/7211689670.html
    Gustard X26 Pro DAC
    Belles 21A Pre modded with Mundorf Supreme caps
    B&K M200 Sonata monoblocks refreshed and upgraded
    Polk SDA 1C's modded / 1000Va Dreadnaught
    Wireworld Silver Eclipse IC's and speaker cables
    Harman Kardon T65C w/Grado Gold. (Don't laugh. It sounds great!)

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  • WLDock
    WLDock Posts: 3,073
    audioluvr wrote: »
    Here's a good deal.
    https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/ele/d/seattle-modwright-instruments-swl90/7211689670.html
    Nice! One of those brands I would own.
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  • CH46E
    CH46E Posts: 3,591
    That ModWright would be nice.

    But price wise, I may keep an eye out for a used Schiit Freya Plus. But that Chi-Fi looks very interesting.
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  • engie490
    engie490 Posts: 431
    CH46E wrote: »
    Are there any stereo tube preamps under $500 that have a plethora of input options to possible include Bluetooth under $500?

    What constitutes a plethora of inputs? I've got one of these in my storage...

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  • CH46E
    CH46E Posts: 3,591
    engie490 wrote: »
    CH46E wrote: »
    Are there any stereo tube preamps under $500 that have a plethora of input options to possible include Bluetooth under $500?

    What constitutes a plethora of inputs? I've got one of these in my storage...

    3yq6m89de9fy.jpg

    Do tell more. Remote???
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  • CH46E
    CH46E Posts: 3,591
    I think I'd be ok with 3 rca inputs and a remote. I forgot to mention a remote might be a deal breaker.
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,801
    engie490 wrote: »
    CH46E wrote: »
    Are there any stereo tube preamps under $500 that have a plethora of input options to possible include Bluetooth under $500?

    What constitutes a plethora of inputs? ...

    One     line level input -- and a switchbox.

    B)

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  • invalid
    invalid Posts: 1,365
    Tube rectifier and tube regulation what more do you want.
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  • CH46E
    CH46E Posts: 3,591
    edited October 2020
    invalid wrote: »
    Tube rectifier and tube regulation what more do you want.

    I dont know what any of that means. :/
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 25,441
    CH46E wrote: »
    invalid wrote: »
    Tube rectifier and tube regulation what more do you want.

    I dont know what any of that means. :/

    Pretty lights....
    :D:D:D
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  • invalid
    invalid Posts: 1,365
    CH46E wrote: »
    invalid wrote: »
    Tube rectifier and tube regulation what more do you want.

    I dont know what any of that means. :/

    The sound of tube goodness.
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  • CH46E
    CH46E Posts: 3,591
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    CH46E wrote: »
    invalid wrote: »
    Tube rectifier and tube regulation what more do you want.

    I dont know what any of that means. :/

    Pretty lights....
    :D:D:D

    I LOVE THAT SONG!!!!

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  • CH46E
    CH46E Posts: 3,591
    NO...... really.... i don't know what that means.
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  • audioluvr
    audioluvr Posts: 5,582
    That means no remote.
    Gustard X26 Pro DAC
    Belles 21A Pre modded with Mundorf Supreme caps
    B&K M200 Sonata monoblocks refreshed and upgraded
    Polk SDA 1C's modded / 1000Va Dreadnaught
    Wireworld Silver Eclipse IC's and speaker cables
    Harman Kardon T65C w/Grado Gold. (Don't laugh. It sounds great!)

    There is about a 5% genetic difference between apes and men …but that difference is the difference between throwing your own poo when you are annoyed …and Einstein, Shakespeare and Miss January. by Dr. Sardonicus
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  • audioluvr
    audioluvr Posts: 5,582
    edited October 2020
    My requirement when I was searching for that current, affordable(ish) tube pre was XLR inputs and remote. Which is FAR more limiting than your requirements. Stick to your guns. If that's important then keep looking. Something will come around. Plus you may have more money by the time something ideal comes around. I'm under the philosophy that if it's something that you get lots of enjoyment out of, don't use budget as your primary limitation. There's some really nice stuff out there in the $800- $1,500 range and if you explain it properly to your mate, they will understand.

    Of the two I posted I think the Belles and Modwright would be leaps and bounds ahead of what you have. Also I think Joules and Rogue should be added to that list basically because they are can be had in that range, built in the USA and don't have a bazillion tubes to have to deal with maintaining.

    Just my 2 cents worth
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    Belles 21A Pre modded with Mundorf Supreme caps
    B&K M200 Sonata monoblocks refreshed and upgraded
    Polk SDA 1C's modded / 1000Va Dreadnaught
    Wireworld Silver Eclipse IC's and speaker cables
    Harman Kardon T65C w/Grado Gold. (Don't laugh. It sounds great!)

    There is about a 5% genetic difference between apes and men …but that difference is the difference between throwing your own poo when you are annoyed …and Einstein, Shakespeare and Miss January. by Dr. Sardonicus
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  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 12,934
    edited October 2020
    audioluvr wrote: »
    Of the two I posted I think the Belles and Modwright would be leaps and bounds ahead of what you have. Also I think Joules and Rogue should be added to that list basically because they are all can be had in that range, built in the USA and don't have a bazillion tubes to have to deal with maintaining.

    Agreed.
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  • invalid
    invalid Posts: 1,365
    CH46E wrote: »
    NO...... really.... i don't know what that means.

    The rectifier tube changes AC power to DC power and is smoother sounding than solid state diodes. The regulator tubes keep the voltage constant at a predetermined level, plus they are gas filled so you get a nice colorful glow out of voltage regulator tubes. You can also tube roll rectifier tubes, I've found them to make a difference in sound, even in a preamp.
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 25,441
    You can also tube roll rectifier tubes, I've found them to make a difference in sound, even in a preamp

    Agreed
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  • CH46E
    CH46E Posts: 3,591
    This Silk Audio is moving up on the list.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/224164860149
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  • CH46E
    CH46E Posts: 3,591
    invalid wrote: »
    CH46E wrote: »
    NO...... really.... i don't know what that means.

    The rectifier tube changes AC power to DC power and is smoother sounding than solid state diodes. The regulator tubes keep the voltage constant at a predetermined level, plus they are gas filled so you get a nice colorful glow out of voltage regulator tubes. You can also tube roll rectifier tubes, I've found them to make a difference in sound, even in a preamp.

    Thanks man. That I did not know.
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  • CH46E
    CH46E Posts: 3,591
    The Marantz UD7007 should be here soon and the pre amp is next.

    Taking my Hafler to a vintage repair guy for a check-up and adjustment. Turns out the DC offset is a little higher according to my new meter.

    Maybe I can manage to get these Infinity crossovers done in time to put it all together.
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  • verb
    verb Posts: 10,176
    edited October 2020
    audioluvr wrote: »
    OOH! Here's another one you should consider. Nice thing about eBag is you can pay for it with a credit card, hide the cash from the boss (wife) and get airline miles to boot!
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/VTL-2-5-Line-Stage-Preamplifier/264670054975?hash=item3d9f908a3f:g:jNoAAOSwVoJecAEK

    This beauty was my first real foray into tubes, and it was such a profound improvement it hooked me on the tube pre/SS power amp combo! IIRC the Polkie price I got for that baby was way less. Ya never know what will pop up in the FS thread!
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  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,552
    If you were local, I’d let you borrow my arc 40 so you could try it.

    Tube pres are awesome

    Good luck on your search
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,801
    edited October 2020
    CH46E wrote: »
    invalid wrote: »
    Tube rectifier and tube regulation what more do you want.

    I dont know what any of that means. :/

    It means that the power supply uses a vacuum tube rectifier ("rectumfryer", in the tube patois) for HV power and vacuum tube regulators to control the P/S voltages. :)

    Opinions differ (imagine that?!) on the relative merits of ss vs. vacuum tube rectification, stiff vs. somewhat squishy power supplies, choke/capacitor vs. all capacitor filtering. A well designed vacuum tube P/S (regulated or not) will work just fine.
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    invalid Posts: 1,365
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    CH46E wrote: »
    invalid wrote: »
    Tube rectifier and tube regulation what more do you want.

    I dont know what any of that means. :/

    It means that the power supply uses a vacuum tube rectifier ("rectumfryer", in the tube patois) for HV power and vacuum tube regulators to control the P/S voltages. :)

    Opinions differ (imagine that?!) on the relative merits of ss vs. vacuum tube rectification, stiff vs. somewhat squishy power supplies, choke/capacitor vs. all capacitor filtering. A well designed vacuum tube P/S (regulated or not) will work just fine.

    I also find that rectifier rolling can make a difference in sound, and it doesn't have anything to do with voltage sag, try rolling a solid state rectifier.
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