Consensus on Full Sized Pickup Trucks

Emlyn

Toyota Tundra

Ford needed to step their game up with their interiors on $70K trucks, and they have for 2021.

That onboard power generator thing is intriguing. Apparently has the capability of two 20-amp circuits with the engine running. Not sure how they can do all that. Must be some kind of magic involved. Could run a good home theater system with that though!

https://news.pickuptrucks.com/2020/06/5-fun-facts-about-the-2021-f-150s-onboard-generator.html

gmcman

Chevy/GMC

Jstas wrote: »

but really loose tolerances for something that is spinning 9,000-15,000 RPM

Multiply by a factor of 10. Not to go off on a tangent, but that was one area I was referring to in regards to using good synthetic oil in general.

Those turbos spin around 150,000 RPM, some slightly less, some higher. High quality oil is a must.

Jstas

gmcman wrote: »

Jstas wrote: »

but really loose tolerances for something that is spinning 9,000-15,000 RPM

Multiply by a factor of 10. Not to go off on a tangent, but that was one area I was referring to in regards to using good synthetic oil in general.

Those turbos spin around 150,000 RPM, some slightly less, some higher. High quality oil is a must.

Not the ones from 1980's Saabs, dude.

More modern, stuff, yeah but that's because, like I said, higher tolerances as well as smaller sizes.

Mikey081057

Toyota Tundra

Small displacement turbo charged motors show no evidence of being as reliable as large or small displacement normally aspirated engines...are they better then they used to be ?

Perhaps

https://www.designnews.com/electronics-test/are-small-displacement-turbo-engines-reliable-long-term

Gerres26

Ford F150

I can say there are plenty of people on the F150 forums complaining about the recent 5.0 motor between noises and oil consumption issues.

I had a 2010 ram hemi and now own a 2019 F150 with the smaller 2.7 EcoBoost. For everyday driving the small EcoBoost is hands down quicker, more fun to drive, and about 7mpg better for back road work travel. Time will tell on longevity but there are multiple people already over 200,000 miles on theirs with just regular maintenance.

Mind you I don’t tow a ton except for a couple ATVs from time to time. If I did tow a bunch I’d be shopping for a 3/4 ton myself.

shawn474

Toyota Tundra

Jstas wrote: »

Toyota has this deserved reputation for being well engineered and really reliable.....

It's all based on easily tracked data and information.

Toyotas have higher resale value because for every Toyota out there, there's 10 Fords and 10 Chevies. Toyota's error rate is actually higher than Ford or Chevy, statistics show it and statistics also show that the customers of Toyota are more willing to overlook small issues like shoddy window buttons or poorly wearing seat upholstery because of the idea that the Toyota is better, no matter what.

The proven reliability and value breeds a seller's market which keeps resale high.

Fixed some of this for you....

I won’t disagree that the tundra is inarguably a dated, but bulletproof platform. Same with the 4runner.

Perhaps some are willing to overlook the bells and whistles and small oversights on interior and such because it is still one of the most economical “investments” available. In an inherently diminishing valued asset, long term return on investment is important. To suggest that a $70k truck that doesn’t have nearly as big as resale value as a “better” truck is a losing argument.....unless said truck meets your specific needs.

And also, it must be mentioned when you speak of misinformation that the tundra is one of the more “American made” trucks on the market......

Jstas

I would appreciate it if you weren't so arrogant as to twist my words to fit your agenda.

shawn474

Toyota Tundra

Jstas wrote: »

I would appreciate it if you weren't so arrogant as to twist my words to fit your agenda.

Noted John.....I then would appreciate you sparing the forum of your monologue spreading misinformation to further your agenda and getting your feelers hurt when someone counters. I didn’t realize that statement of fact was “furthering an agenda” except to say that Toyota makes a vehicle that IS high is resale value and IS high in reliability and IS more made in America than most realize.....is there an argument to be made there that you’d like to expound upon?

Mikey081057

Toyota Tundra

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9cvCTxOlHs

Jstas

shawn474 wrote: »

Jstas wrote: »

I would appreciate it if you weren't so arrogant as to twist my words to fit your agenda.

Noted John.....I then would appreciate you sparing the forum of your monologue spreading misinformation to further your agenda and getting your feelers hurt when someone counters. I didn’t realize that statement of fact was “furthering an agenda” except to say that Toyota makes a vehicle that IS high is resale value and IS high in reliability and IS more made in America than most realize.....is there an argument to be made there that you’d like to expound upon?

Screw you.

I'm entitled to speak my mind just as you are entitled to not read it

shawn474

Toyota Tundra

Jstas wrote: »

Screw you.

I'm entitled to speak my mind just as you are entitled to not read it

So I will take that as a “no” answer to my question?

mrbiron

Chevy/GMC

https://youtu.be/EibaKULr16o

Still relevant...

Mikey081057

Toyota Tundra

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pStuImBH0i0

Mikey081057

Toyota Tundra

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoMil3RWTUA

Mikey081057

Toyota Tundra

More speculation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1ImsFpRkE0

boston1450

Chevy/GMC

Do it

verb

Chevy/GMC

I'm biased of course!

motorstereo

Ford F150

F150; I'm basing this mostly on my last weeks purchase of a new 2020 Ford Ranger. Chevy's flimsy body panels kept me away from them and I also wanted a domestic made vehicle so Toyota was out. I originally was going with a F150 but the Ranger was a better fit for my situation. 7,500lb towing, 1850lb load capacity and 20-24 mpg with a 2.3L twin turbo that has 270hp and 310 ft lb's torque. Good luck with your purchase. It had been a while for me and I had forgotten just how stressful new vehicle shopping can be.

Emlyn

Toyota Tundra

New 2022 Toyota Tundra available soon... pre-production models on display now.

New powerplant is a V6 twin turbo with an additional hybrid option for way more output than the 5.7L engine. Still looks like a Tundra. Better get used to it since it'll probably be around and looking the same for the next 12-15 years.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZJjOMccGoQ

Jstas

Nice to see Toyota's still taking 10 years to rip of Ford.

Wonder if they'll get the pants sued off them again?

Dabutcher

Toyota Tundra. Only Full sized truck where 100 % percent of them are made in USA. Namely Texas. Big three all have plants in Mexico and Canada. Best resale value because of reliability. The two go hand in hand. I do think they should still keep a V-8 option available for those who want it? Peace. D

mhardy6647

Toyota Tundra

oooh, that new Tundra's front end is ugly.

Still. I want one.
Hybrid.

mhardy6647

Toyota Tundra

EDIT: Oh, this is a poll thing. Nevermind.
I still like that Stude pickup, though. Wonder if there's a hybrid version? Lots and lots of lead-acid batteries...

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As an aside: what's up with the little tags at the top of these posts?



Is Vanilla auto-generating ads now?
This is testable.

Ford Ranger

Chevy Suburban

Studebaker Transtar





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Jstas

mhardy6647 wrote: »

As an aside: what's up with the little tags at the top of these posts?



Is Vanilla auto-generating ads now?

It's telling everyone what you voted for in the poll.

mhardy6647

Toyota Tundra

Jstas wrote: »

mhardy6647 wrote: »

As an aside: what's up with the little tags at the top of these posts?



Is Vanilla auto-generating ads now?

It's telling everyone what you voted for in the poll.

Yeah, I realized that after I posted.

meanwhile -- Dat new Tundra. She ugly.

Emlyn

Toyota Tundra

It's got that Transformers look to it.

BIG CHANGE is they ditched leaf springs in the rear for an entirely new multi-link coil sprung suspension:

https://pressroom.toyota.com/absolute-powerhouse-next-generation-2022-toyota-tundra/

This thing's got me interested. Even Toyota has problems in the first year or two of production, sometimes with big problems when they're putting new things in. Maybe I'll look at a 2023 or 2024 model.

If they do make a new Sequoia and this new chassis underpins it that could be a good alternative to a no longer sold Land Cruiser in the US for a lot less money.

pitdogg2

Ford F150

Here is the problem I have with those large touch screens. My mothers Lincoln MKz has a smaller one, at night that thing just blinds the fook out of you. Chasing down the night mode is a hazard trying to navigate through lines of buttons/prompts to get to SHUT THE FOOK OFF area. While hers is a 2009 I hope they have made GIANT leaps to one button display off/night mode so it is more akin to changing the radio channel like the olden days of car radio.

pitdogg2

Ford F150

Mikey081057 wrote: »

Toyota seems to be always lagging in bells and whistles but the resale value is always higher... coincidence? or just better engineered.I had a couple of "Toyoda" trucks and FourRunners as well as a few Lexus vehicles (GX470 and GS 350 AWD) and was always pleasantly surprised at the resale value, reliability and overall quality of the vehicles...So the Tundra gets beat up for lacking "technology" and being due for a "design update" which really has nothing to do with reliability and overall quality. What "tech" features is it lacking for y'all as I really don't see something that I need that is missing?

I do like the Ford with the V8 too but comparatively costs more.

I am listening for info to come out on the '21 models to see what's new and maybe to get a deal on a leftover.

This guy sent me a picture of his new Toyota 20 or 21not sure, sweet looking ride either way...

txcoastal1

Like the headlights
Everything looks good until you get to that ugly grill...reminds me of @Viking64 's dog

F1nut

That's one ugly Taco.