SVS vs JL AUDIO

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  • tratliff
    tratliff Posts: 1,216
    edited February 2020
    Excuse my ignorance.....what is an "REL" subwoofer?

    Just another brand. Link below. I purchased a pair of these.

    https://rel.net/shop/powered-subwoofers/carbon-limited/



    2 Channel
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  • Mikey081057
    Mikey081057 Posts: 7,127
    No... Google it
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    Family Room| Marantz AV7704| Usher Dancer Mini - 2 DMD Mains |Usher Dancer Mini-x DMD's Surrounds | Usher BE-616 DMD Center | SVS Ultra Rear Surrounds | Parasound Halo A21 | Parsound Halo A52+ | MIT Shotgun S3's | Dual SVS SB 4000 Ultras | Oppo UDP 203 | Directv Genie HD DVR | Samsung 75" Q8 QLED | PSAudio Stellar GCD | Mytek Brooklyn DAC+ | Lumin U1 Mini | HP Elite Slice PC | ROON'd for life |

    ManCave: HT:Polk LSiM 706VR3 LSiM 703's LSiM 702's|| Marantz AV7002 AV PrePro Sunfire TGA-7401| Sony PS4 Pro| Sony PS4 Pro|SVS PB13 Ultra| Oppo UDP 203 | Music Hall MMF 5.3se TT w/ Soundsmith Carmen | Samsung 55" SUHD TV | Sony PS4

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    Garage | Polk Monitor 5B's

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  • maxward
    maxward Posts: 966
    It’s a brand name. Very good subwoofers.
  • WLDock
    WLDock Posts: 2,928
    edited February 2020
    Excuse my ignorance.....what is an "REL" subwoofer?
    REL is a subwoofer company that targets the 2 channel audiophile market mainly. They offer subs in the normal price ranges and have HT subs but they also have products aimed at the 'High End' market. They push their $7500 No. 25 subs setup in stacks or arrays of two-three per side. https://rel.net/reference-line-arrays/

    Reference-Line-Arrays-420x280.jpg
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    That's $45K of bass called a six-pack .... for the rich! https://www.tonepublications.com/review/relno25sixpack/


  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 16,290
    REL is one of my all time favorite sub companies on the planet. I've been messing around with JL Audio which is why I have a pair here. BUT I also love the hell out of Velodyne and dusting off the DD is a great way to get back into my past. In the past Velodyne was a huge part of my life and not so much lately.
    Dan
    My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
  • WLDock wrote: »
    Excuse my ignorance.....what is an "REL" subwoofer?
    REL is a subwoofer company that targets the 2 channel audiophile market mainly. They offer subs in the normal price ranges and have HT subs but they also have products aimed at the 'High End' market. They push their $7500 No. 25 subs setup in stacks or arrays of two-three per side. https://rel.net/reference-line-arrays/

    Reference-Line-Arrays-420x280.jpg
    image

    That's $45K of bass called a six-pack .... for the rich! https://www.tonepublications.com/review/relno25sixpack/


    I'd never even considered making towers out of those RELs. That would be insane. I doubt I'd ever own a stack, but I'd love to hear it.
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 16,290
    That's probably such overkill
    Dan
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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 11,888
    mantis wrote: »
    That's probably such overkill

    Percentages, percentages ...,those are 85-90K Dyns
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  • WLDock
    WLDock Posts: 2,928
    Yeah, at AXPONA Magico had their $172k M6 towers mated with two $36k each Q-Sub-18s !!

    Half a million dollar rig!
    041219-Magico-600_0.jpg

    Maybe the $45K REL 6-Pack is not a bad price in the Uber high end?
  • WLDock wrote: »
    Yeah, at AXPONA Magico had their $172k M6 towers mated with two $36k each Q-Sub-18s !!

    Half a million dollar rig!
    041219-Magico-600_0.jpg

    Maybe the $45K REL 6-Pack is not a bad price in the Uber high end?

    Although the price difference in the Magico subs and the REL sub towers is $27K, that's really only a 5.6% difference on the total cost of a half mil total system. I have to imagine people actually shopping at those levels don't really sweat to much over that 5%.

    But I don't shop at that level, or anywhere remotely near it... so maybe not.
    Analog: MoFi MasterTracker > MoFi UltraDeck > Sutherland 20/20
    Digital: Cambridge CXC / Streaming > Cambridge CXN v2
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 19,473
    Those ^^^^ subs were pressurizing a HUGE open area. In a house you would more than likely loose some windows :D There were impressive and the magnet motor structure was HUUUGE on those drivers. They had just the drivers off to the side and they(magnet motor) made a regular sized water bottle look like a mini tiny bottle.
  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 16,290
    WLDock wrote: »
    Yeah, at AXPONA Magico had their $172k M6 towers mated with two $36k each Q-Sub-18s !!

    Half a million dollar rig!
    041219-Magico-600_0.jpg

    Maybe the $45K REL 6-Pack is not a bad price in the Uber high end?
    I don't see any reason to stack 3 subwoofers on top of each other per channel. This seems like someone doesn't understand room acoustics at all. Unless the room is stupid in size and the perfect placement for 6 subs in on top of each other then it's just a show off looking system.
    Money has nothing to do with it, It's overkill depending on the room and placement of the subs. Maybe the room needs 6 subs which I never been in a room that needed any more then 4 for perfect balance of bass pressure in the room. I'd like to see the rest of that room.
    Dan
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 16,290
    txcoastal1 wrote: »
    mantis wrote: »
    That's probably such overkill

    Percentages, percentages ...,those are 85-90K Dyns


    As I said above money has nothing to do with it. It's the amount of subs in one place that bothers me. But I can't see the rest of the room to decide if that is proper placement or not.I'm willing to bet not.
    Dan
    My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
  • Mikey081057
    Mikey081057 Posts: 7,127
    In Philadelphia do they call them hoagie woofers?
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    Family Room| Marantz AV7704| Usher Dancer Mini - 2 DMD Mains |Usher Dancer Mini-x DMD's Surrounds | Usher BE-616 DMD Center | SVS Ultra Rear Surrounds | Parasound Halo A21 | Parsound Halo A52+ | MIT Shotgun S3's | Dual SVS SB 4000 Ultras | Oppo UDP 203 | Directv Genie HD DVR | Samsung 75" Q8 QLED | PSAudio Stellar GCD | Mytek Brooklyn DAC+ | Lumin U1 Mini | HP Elite Slice PC | ROON'd for life |

    ManCave: HT:Polk LSiM 706VR3 LSiM 703's LSiM 702's|| Marantz AV7002 AV PrePro Sunfire TGA-7401| Sony PS4 Pro| Sony PS4 Pro|SVS PB13 Ultra| Oppo UDP 203 | Music Hall MMF 5.3se TT w/ Soundsmith Carmen | Samsung 55" SUHD TV | Sony PS4

    Patio | Polk Atrium 8's | Yamaha R-N303BL |

    Office BlueSound Node| KEF LS50 | Peactree Nova 125SE |

    Bedroom | Focal 905's | Chromecast Audio |

    Garage | Polk Monitor 5B's

    Closet Yamaha M80 | 2 Polk MP3K subs| Yaqin MC100B with Shuguang Treasures KT 88's & CV181Z's | Tesla E83CC's | Marantz 2252B | Marantz 2385 |Polk SDA SRS 2.3 | LSiM 705's |
  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 16,290
    We absolutely use Hoagie not Sub's. New Jersey uses Sub's.
    Dan
    My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
  • WLDock
    WLDock Posts: 2,928
    mantis wrote: »
    WLDock wrote: »
    Yeah, at AXPONA Magico had their $172k M6 towers mated with two $36k each Q-Sub-18s !!
    Half a million dollar rig!
    041219-Magico-600_0.jpg
    Maybe the $45K REL 6-Pack is not a bad price in the Uber high end?
    I don't see any reason to stack 3 subwoofers on top of each other per channel. This seems like someone doesn't understand room acoustics at all. Unless the room is stupid in size and the perfect placement for 6 subs in on top of each other then it's just a show off looking system.
    Money has nothing to do with it, It's overkill depending on the room and placement of the subs. Maybe the room needs 6 subs which I never been in a room that needed any more then 4 for perfect balance of bass pressure in the room. I'd like to see the rest of that room.
    Yes, I agree its a bit over kill. Even if the wealthy audiophile has a dedicated 1000-1500 sq ft room with a $200K-$500K systems, it seems like a bit much.

    Even worst than the 2 channel audiophile are the home theater guys with more sub driver surface area than what one will find at your local IMAX theater. There will always be extremist out there.

  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 7,806
    The stacks work with different low pass filters for each level sub.

    If I were rich I would make a push for it
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  • Thorton
    Thorton Posts: 1,323
    Joey_V wrote: »
    The stacks work with different low pass filters for each level sub.

    If I were rich I would make a push for it

    Just add 2 tweeters and you're good to go!
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