Scary virus outbreak in China

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  • motorhead43026
    motorhead43026 Posts: 3,997
    edited February 2020
    Wow, 150M shares traded/sold in the first 30 minutes. Over half the daily average of 287M. Signals major institutional selling.
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  • Yeah definitely institutions and margin calls.
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  • xschop
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    Don't take experimental gene therapies from known eugenicists.
  • Joey_V
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    Brace yourself.

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  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 13,078
    edited February 2020
    "And those surgical masks? If you’re not sick, you don’t need to wear them — and you certainly don’t need to buy every box your local pharmacy has in stock.

    “The main point of the mask is to keep someone who is infected with the virus from spreading it to others,” Brewer said. The CDC agrees, writing on its website: “CDC does not recommend that people who are well wear a facemask to protect themselves from respiratory diseases.”

    Common surgical masks block the droplets coming out of a sick person from getting into the air, but they are not tight enough to prevent what’s already in the air from getting in. There are specialized masks — known as N95 masks because they filter out 95 percent of airborne particles — that are more effective, and some online retailers are sold out of them.

    But there’s a problem: The masks are difficult to use without training. They must be fitted and tested to work properly. “If you just buy them at CVS, you’re not going to do all that,” Brewer said. “You’re not going to get it fittested, and you’re not going to be wearing it properly, so all you’ve done is spend a lot of money on a very fancy face mask.”

  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,877
    edited February 2020
    You never want to let a good crisis to go to waste..
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    How many flies need to be buzzing a dead horse before you guys stop beating it?
  • sucks2beme
    sucks2beme Posts: 5,681
    If this one was the world ender, we would already
    be dead. It will just be a PITA for a while and go away.
    No need to IMMEDIATELY close schools and public places and all the
    nonsense the press is spouting. That may be an option at some point, but
    we certainly aren't there yet.
    "The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson
  • treitz3
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,877
    sucks2beme wrote: »
    If this one was the world ender, we would already
    be dead. It will just be a PITA for a while and go away.
    No need to IMMEDIATELY close schools and public places and all the
    nonsense the press is spouting. That may be an option at some point, but
    we certainly aren't there yet.
    The press and certain others are trying to crash the economy, nothing more and nothing less.

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    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson


    How many flies need to be buzzing a dead horse before you guys stop beating it?
  • motorhead43026
    motorhead43026 Posts: 3,997
    edited February 2020
    sucks2beme wrote: »
    If this one was the world ender, we would already
    be dead. It will just be a PITA for a while and go away.
    No need to IMMEDIATELY close schools and public places and all the
    nonsense the press is spouting. That may be an option at some point, but
    we certainly aren't there yet.
    The press and certain others are trying to crash the economy, nothing more and nothing less.


    The economy isn't crashing but the market seems to be.

    I'd like to see another 10% leg down.
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,877
    edited February 2020
    The market crashes, and the economy follows. It may take some time to catch up, but it always does.... we will start hearing that news just in time for the next election. Next week, we will see how badly Trump’s polling numbers have fallen due to his inept handling of the Coronavirus outbreak, which BTW, has yet to occur here. Not exactly sure what he is supposed to do for the rest of the planet. I guess because we are already the world’s police force, we should be the world’s doctors too. Just give everyone on the planet Medicare for All... right?
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    How many flies need to be buzzing a dead horse before you guys stop beating it?
  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,945
    Yeah, whatever man. If this is the first "fine line" of political chatter you have seen in this thread, you need some serious help. Or is it only okay if it's from your side? That was a rhetorical question, BTW.

    This is the first I have heard that this virus has directly affected the audio world in a big way. The High End show in Munich, Germany has been cancelled.

    https://www.highendsociety.de/high-end-44.html

    From the article linked...

    February 28, 2020

    The HIGH END 2020 trade show, planned for May 14 to 17, has been cancelled due to the current worsening trend with respect to the spread of the novel coronavirus. This decision was reached by the HIGH END SOCIETY Service GmbH upon consideration of all criteria in close cooperation with the Board of the HIGH END SOCIETY e.V.

    Given that in addition to the countries affected in Asia, infections in Italy have rapidly increased within a few days, it is unclear how the virus will continue to spread in Europe. As organisers of an international trade show, we consider it our responsibility, on the one hand, to safeguard the health of all stakeholders, and on the other hand, to work towards averting possible economic losses of the exhibitors.

    Since the rapid spread of the virus in China in mid-January, we have been weighing the possible consequences for the exhibition planned in May. The situation was re-assessed each day by monitoring not only the global spread of the coronavirus but also the international trade show and exhibition scene. In addition to the special situation for Chinese exhibitors, over the past few weeks, we have increasingly received inquiries from other companies as to whether the strained situation would have an impact on the HIGH END 2020.

    A total of 500 trade visitors from 40 countries had registered for the HIGH END 2020 trade show. You will be informed on the latest news concerning the cancellation. Trade visitors and end users who have already purchased a ticket for the HIGH END 2020 will naturally receive a refund.


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  • I don't care about the market, I don't care about myself getting sick however I do worry as I have a 2 month old. They believe Arizona is going to start seeing community transmission cases in the coming months (thanks California =P).

    I am not worried much outside of the aforementioned little one.
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  • nooshinjohn
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    la2vegas wrote: »

    You're walking a fine line with all of this political chatter...tone it down.

    Says the Raiders fan.... why is it that Antifa supporters and Raiders fans all seem to dress alike? Coincidence???

    I think not.

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    How many flies need to be buzzing a dead horse before you guys stop beating it?
  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,945
    edited February 2020
    I don't care about the market, I don't care about myself getting sick however I do worry as I have a 2 month old. They believe Arizona is going to start seeing community transmission cases in the coming months (thanks California =P).

    I am not worried much outside of the aforementioned little one.

    Cody, if it makes you feel any better? There has been one confirmed case of a toddler healing by himself with no medicine. Believe me, I hear ya' though.

    Tom
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  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 13,078
    treitz3 wrote: »
    The HIGH END 2020 trade show, planned for May 14 to 17, has been cancelled due to the current worsening trend with respect to the spread of the novel coronavirus.

    Wow, foolish decision IMO.
  • aprazer402
    aprazer402 Posts: 3,352
    The 2020 Berkshire Hathaway annual stockholders meeting held in Omaha the first week in May is being looked at by Warren and his team. The concern is there are approx. 3,000 shareholders from mainland China that usually fly in every year.
  • aprazer402
    aprazer402 Posts: 3,352
    Viking64 wrote: »
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    Was ist das?
  • Milito
    Milito Posts: 2,002
    edited February 2020
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    I don't care about the market, I don't care about myself getting sick however I do worry as I have a 2 month old. They believe Arizona is going to start seeing community transmission cases in the coming months (thanks California =P).

    I am not worried much outside of the aforementioned little one.

    I saw this link on another forum and it made me feel better about our new grand daughter who is 4 1/2 months old. If it is true, you should feel better about your new baby. Based on the data below it's the old farts like me that need to worry more than young people. Real close to the 8% group.

    Age, Sex, Existing Conditions of COVID-19 Cases and Deaths

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics

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  • Viking64
    Viking64 Posts: 7,504
    aprazer402 wrote: »
    Viking64 wrote: »
    wkpc1ug4lo8m.jpg

    Was ist das?

    An open-baffle subwoofer?

    Dove under wire with a white wine sauce?

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    Things to do in Wyoming when you're dead?

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  • Milito wrote: »
    /
    I don't care about the market, I don't care about myself getting sick however I do worry as I have a 2 month old. They believe Arizona is going to start seeing community transmission cases in the coming months (thanks California =P).

    I am not worried much outside of the aforementioned little one.

    I saw this link on another forum and it made me feel better about our new grand daughter who is 4 1/2 months old. If it is true, you should feel better about your new baby. Based on the data below it's the old farts like me that need to worry more than young people. Real close to the 8% group.

    Age, Sex, Existing Conditions of COVID-19 Cases and Deaths

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics

    That does put me a bit more at ease, I appreciate the data set. I kept a close eye on the outbreak initially but now that I am back at work I hardly have time to get home, eat and take a shower before I have to go to bed.

    All my time goes to the little ones lol.
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  • BlueFox
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    I am starting to think this is not as bad as it could be. Granted, the death rate is on the high side compared to other viruses, but not catastrophic. At least so far. I will wait 2-3 months, and then decide whether or not to get back in the market at that time, or wait longer.

    However, this virus demonstrates how unprepared the world is for new diseases. At some point, a really killer virus will come into play. I hope we learn from this outbreak.
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  • aprazer402
    aprazer402 Posts: 3,352
    Viking64 wrote: »
    aprazer402 wrote: »
    Viking64 wrote: »
    wkpc1ug4lo8m.jpg

    Was ist das?

    An open-baffle subwoofer?

    Dove under wire with a white wine sauce?

    Sylvester and Tweety: The Final Years?

    Things to do in Wyoming when you're dead?

    Don't breathe the air if you want to ride in the mothership?

    I couldn't see it on a small screen.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q918fs4RAto
  • Almost a billion shares traded today, which is amazing. Buyers stepped in the later part of the day.
    Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel…….Samuel Johnson

    Since we don’t know where we are going we have to stick together in case someone gets there….Ken Kesey

    To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.
    – Kevin Alfred Strom
  • Viking64
    Viking64 Posts: 7,504
    aprazer402 wrote: »
    I couldn't see it on a small screen.
    It's the scene in "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" where Roy Neary (Richard Dreyfuss) and Jillian Guiler (Melinda Dillon) are trying to get close to Devil's Tower and they reach an Army roadblock. The caged birds they bought were sprayed with some sort of sleep-inducing agent when they were being detained.

    This link explains the scene in greater detail. :p

    https://movies.stackexchange.com/questions/64845/how-did-the-two-birds-in-the-cage-die
  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,065
    Bud, please explain what your idea is of being prepared for every known and unknown virus to plague mankind looks like.

    To me, it's an impossible task. We can't even prepare for the different strains of the flu virus every year. They basically guess, pick up to 4 strains they think will be the worst, and go from there. Sometimes they get it right, sometimes they don't. That's just one virus out of countless.

    To say the world is unprepared....I dunno, next to future telling or time travel, I don't see how we can be prepared for every calamity that can befall us.
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  • aprazer402
    aprazer402 Posts: 3,352
    Once I got it enlarged on a desktop PC monitor, I remembered it from the Close Encounter scene.
  • kevhed72
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    Sweet ride in the background there....
  • treitz3
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    Well, thing is, the CDC was prepared for this virus but the virus mutated and the preparedness was no longer useful. It had to be recalled and modified.

    Tony is correct, there is no way to prepare for something like this. Unless it is biological warfare and a vaccine is readily available to the country or regime that launched the biological attack. Even then, once released, nature sometimes takes its own course. If it mutates, then the vaccine is no longer useful.

    Fact remains that in the US, no deaths and 62 cases. Of those 62, all are on the mend with one exception. I say we were prepared and we took decisive and swift action for containment.

    Look at France. Aren't 12 people dead already over there and it's been less than a week for them?

    I just want to know why the international community isn't coming down HARD on China for stealing the virus from Canada o begin with. Had they never stolen it? We wouldn't even be here talking about it to begin with.

    Tom
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