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I am not sure why so many seem to be concerned, there are all kinds of vital systems run by computers in the you are driving now and could get you killed if they fail just right. This usually never happens because of fail safes and redundancy.
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I would bet that by 2050 autonomous electric cars will be commonplace.
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afterburnt wrote: »I am not sure why so many seem to be concerned, there are all kinds of vital systems run by computers in the you are driving now and could get you killed if they fail just right. This usually never happens because of fail safes and redundancy.
Like what ? Normally when things fail, there is a human to take over who has experience.
Examples would be planes, pilot is there for a reason ya know. Trains still have humans. Sure, cars today have computer systems in them, some necessary, some not, but a human still has control.
Take Brians example of the Hyundai he rented. He was able to turn off the technology and assume control of the car. If he couldn't, things might have turned out differently for him. Plus, having taken over control of the car, he had experience in doing so, in driving under different conditions.
Boeing just had to kick the robots to the curb building their new 777's and replace them with actual mechanics because of mistakes. Why ? Because there is value in human life, liability that comes with transporting humans. Remove that liability, your removing the value of human life.HT SYSTEM-
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@tonyb like the sophisticated braking/traction control systems in modern car. I don't think I need to explain what could happen if that goes haywire.
As I said 79 percent of air fatalities are due to human error. Did you know that the F-35 is projected to be the last manned US fighter jet?
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Boeing just had to kick the robots to the curb building their new 777's and replace them with actual mechanics because of mistakes. Why ? Because there is value in human life, liability that comes with transporting humans. Remove that liability, your removing the value of human life.
Not sure that I'd hold Boeing up as an exemplar of valuing human life, or of making good corporate decisions related to same.
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mhardy6647 wrote: »...
Boeing just had to kick the robots to the curb building their new 777's and replace them with actual mechanics because of mistakes. Why ? Because there is value in human life, liability that comes with transporting humans. Remove that liability, your removing the value of human life.
Not sure that I'd hold Boeing up as an exemplar of valuing human life, or of making good corporate decisions related to same.
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mhardy6647 wrote: »...
Boeing just had to kick the robots to the curb building their new 777's and replace them with actual mechanics because of mistakes. Why ? Because there is value in human life, liability that comes with transporting humans. Remove that liability, your removing the value of human life.
Not sure that I'd hold Boeing up as an exemplar of valuing human life, or of making good corporate decisions related to same.
I get your point on their recent troubles, but generally speaking, airplanes have a safety record second to none, and that's because of the attention given to it, human interactions flying them, and liability for human life.
After all, if the liability wasn't there, would planes be as safe today ?HT SYSTEM-
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afterburnt wrote: »@tonyb like the sophisticated braking/traction control systems in modern car. I don't think I need to explain what could happen if that goes haywire.
As I said 79 percent of air fatalities are due to human error. Did you know that the F-35 is projected to be the last manned US fighter jet?
Of course there's value in human life, machines need batteries.
Braking and traction control, when they fail, a dummy light comes on to inform you. You can still stop the car....maybe not as fast though.
Unmanned fighter jet you say ? I don't think I need to explain what can happen if that goes haywire too.
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Let's see, 4 out of 5 people that die in air crashes are killed by their pilots not by computers. I don't know about you but I will be traveling by "Johnny Jet" and "Johnny Cab" Glenn Quagmire ain't killin me!
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I had to look it up. Because traffic tickets vary wildly in price the estimate is 3.75 to 7.5 billion dollars a year in the US of A.afterburnt wrote: »They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.
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afterburnt wrote: »@tonyb like the sophisticated braking/traction control systems in modern car. I don't think I need to explain what could happen if that goes haywire.
As I said 79 percent of air fatalities are due to human error. Did you know that the F-35 is projected to be the last manned US fighter jet?
Of course there's value in human life, machines need batteries.
Braking and traction control, when they fail, a dummy light comes on to inform you. You can still stop the car....maybe not as fast though.
Unmanned fighter jet you say ? I don't think I need to explain what can happen if that goes haywire too.
Damnit Tony I am not talking about going on the blink, I am talking about haywire sending you into the spin cycle! That thing controls your brakes not you.
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Well..., the way I look at it I happen to be an American who is of Scottish decent (among others). But, like I said, that’s the way I look at it. I don’t fly Scotland’s flag at my house, or on my vehicle...Remember, when you're running from something, you're running to something...-me
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afterburnt wrote: »afterburnt wrote: »@tonyb like the sophisticated braking/traction control systems in modern car. I don't think I need to explain what could happen if that goes haywire.
As I said 79 percent of air fatalities are due to human error. Did you know that the F-35 is projected to be the last manned US fighter jet?
Of course there's value in human life, machines need batteries.
Braking and traction control, when they fail, a dummy light comes on to inform you. You can still stop the car....maybe not as fast though.
Unmanned fighter jet you say ? I don't think I need to explain what can happen if that goes haywire too.
Damnit Tony I am not talking about going on the blink, I am talking about haywire sending you into the spin cycle! That thing controls your brakes not you.
"It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear! And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead!"
LMAO....I hear ya man, I just never heard of those systems actually doing what your describing.
Of course one can always hack those systems too and you'd be in trouble. Didn't someone years ago demonstrate that with a Jeep ? A human isn't hackable, but they do have faults too.
….and a fighter jet that goes haywire, carrying missiles yet....what can possibly go wrong if one of our enemies hack that ?HT SYSTEM-
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Well..., the way I look at it I happen to be an American who is of Scottish decent (among others). But, like I said, that’s the way I look at it. I don’t fly Scotland’s flag at my house, or on my vehicle...
I see people walking around wearing hammer and sickle and Che tee shirts. It’s just like saying you’re a proud moron. -
afterburnt wrote: »afterburnt wrote: »@tonyb like the sophisticated braking/traction control systems in modern car. I don't think I need to explain what could happen if that goes haywire.
As I said 79 percent of air fatalities are due to human error. Did you know that the F-35 is projected to be the last manned US fighter jet?
Of course there's value in human life, machines need batteries.
Braking and traction control, when they fail, a dummy light comes on to inform you. You can still stop the car....maybe not as fast though.
Unmanned fighter jet you say ? I don't think I need to explain what can happen if that goes haywire too.
Damnit Tony I am not talking about going on the blink, I am talking about haywire sending you into the spin cycle! That thing controls your brakes not you.
"It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear! And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead!"
LMAO....I hear ya man, I just never heard of those systems actually doing what your describing.
Of course one can always hack those systems too and you'd be in trouble. Didn't someone years ago demonstrate that with a Jeep ? A human isn't hackable, but they do have faults too.
….and a fighter jet that goes haywire, carrying missiles yet....what can possibly go wrong if one of our enemies hack that ?
Tony that's my point, it like never happens. BTW people can be hacked, aint you never seen Telefon? -
afterburnt wrote: »Well..., the way I look at it I happen to be an American who is of Scottish decent (among others). But, like I said, that’s the way I look at it. I don’t fly Scotland’s flag at my house, or on my vehicle...
I see people walking around wearing hammer and sickle and Che tee shirts. It’s just like saying you’re a proud moron.
LMAO....INDEED !!
Nothing wrong though with displaying one's own national pride, while still being part of the melting pot we call America.HT SYSTEM-
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I believe that NHTSA estimates that a similar percentage of road deaths are caused by human error. Among some of the top causes:afterburnt wrote: »As I said 79 percent of air fatalities are due to human error...- Distracted Driving
- Speeding
- Driving under the influence (alcohol/drugs)
- Reckless driving
- Running red lights
- Running stop signs
- Unsafe lane changes
- Wrong way driving
- Improper turns
- Tailgating
- Road rage
- Drowsy driving
Autonomous vehicles (electric powered or otherwise) are unlikely to be involved in any of those scenarios.
Really ? They already are.
Distractive driving....hello
Unsafe lane changes, and a few others can also happen if the system doesn't recognize it. Such as...recent changes to traffic like construction zones. Such as, new stop signs and traffic control signs recently installed. How about flaggers in a construction zone where you have to actually see what they want you to do. How about wind, blowing things in front of you like garbage cans....a semi on the highway. Ever see a semi in a wind storm on the highway ? A car swerving in front of you ? Will the car tell you he's an idiot, possibly drunk, and make evasive maneuvers ?
Too many variables to give control over to tech.HT SYSTEM-
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Autonomous vehicles are a solution looking for a problem.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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I believe that NHTSA estimates that a similar percentage of road deaths are caused by human error. Among some of the top causes:afterburnt wrote: »As I said 79 percent of air fatalities are due to human error...- Distracted Driving
- Speeding
- Driving under the influence (alcohol/drugs)
- Reckless driving
- Running red lights
- Running stop signs
- Unsafe lane changes
- Wrong way driving
- Improper turns
- Tailgating
- Road rage
- Drowsy driving
Autonomous vehicles (electric powered or otherwise) are unlikely to be involved in any of those scenarios.
Really ? They already are.
Distractive driving....hello
Unsafe lane changes, and a few others can also happen if the system doesn't recognize it. Such as...recent changes to traffic like construction zones. Such as, new stop signs and traffic control signs recently installed. How about flaggers in a construction zone where you have to actually see what they want you to do. How about wind, blowing things in front of you like garbage cans....a semi on the highway. Ever see a semi in a wind storm on the highway ? A car swerving in front of you ? Will the car tell you he's an idiot, possibly drunk, and make evasive maneuvers ?
Too many variables to give control over to tech.
360 degree Radar, IR, TV etc. would be infinitely more able to respond to anything that you descibed than a stoopid human that keep stubbing his pinky toe on a coffee table that never moves. -
afterburnt wrote: »Well..., the way I look at it I happen to be an American who is of Scottish decent (among others). But, like I said, that’s the way I look at it. I don’t fly Scotland’s flag at my house, or on my vehicle...
I see people walking around wearing hammer and sickle and Che tee shirts. It’s just like saying you’re a proud moron.
LMAO....INDEED !!
Nothing wrong though with displaying one's own national pride, while still being part of the melting pot we call America.
Yep. Gotta be proud of one's heritage! Good to see the car is flying an American Flag too, otherwise yes it may be interpreted differently!
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carry on.
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You guys like driving? Yooz must have thyroid problems.
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afterburnt wrote: »You guys like driving? Yooz must have thyroid problems.
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More likely scenario- we find ourselves without the resources to move around
and discover we don't have enough horses to go around.
Except for those crazy guys in Australia, who will be driving V8 interceptors."The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson -
sucks2beme wrote: »More likely scenario- we find ourselves without the resources to move around
and discover we don't have enough horses to go around.
Except for those crazy guys in Australia, who will be driving V8 interceptors.
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