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but it's coming. Again, we'll most likely see it in the commercial transportation industry.
We already have. Just look at any major airport. The trams are all automatic with no human driving them.
But they are on computer controlled tracks going from point A to point B. Hard to do out in society with all the variables.
A fighter jet as Bruce likes to bring up, still has a pilot. A drone....moves that same human out of the pilots seat and into a control room miles away. Technology is great for giving the humans the information they need as quick as they need it, but the decision making is still left to the humans.
Automated vehicles is taking that decision making out of the hands of humans. Any kind of vehicle that travels at a decent amount of speed is basically a guided missile. Control over that guided missile is one I want, especially if I'm a passenger inside it, or those I love are inside it.HT SYSTEM-
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Everything will need to be standardized before people would trust their lives to that type of system and it would have to be a heavily controlled access system. Something like that is probably decades away. Can't even get a falling apart highway bridge rebuilt as it is now!
….AND who would run such a system ? Government ? You'd be willing to put your life in the hands of government/politicians ?
What kind of flowers would you like at your funeral ?
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I am not sure why so many seem to be concerned, there are all kinds of vital systems run by computers in the you are driving now and could get you killed if they fail just right. This usually never happens because of fail safes and redundancy.
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I would bet that by 2050 autonomous electric cars will be commonplace.
But don't worry, most of us will be dead by then.The best way to predict the future is to invent it.
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afterburnt wrote: »I am not sure why so many seem to be concerned, there are all kinds of vital systems run by computers in the you are driving now and could get you killed if they fail just right. This usually never happens because of fail safes and redundancy.
Like what ? Normally when things fail, there is a human to take over who has experience.
Examples would be planes, pilot is there for a reason ya know. Trains still have humans. Sure, cars today have computer systems in them, some necessary, some not, but a human still has control.
Take Brians example of the Hyundai he rented. He was able to turn off the technology and assume control of the car. If he couldn't, things might have turned out differently for him. Plus, having taken over control of the car, he had experience in doing so, in driving under different conditions.
Boeing just had to kick the robots to the curb building their new 777's and replace them with actual mechanics because of mistakes. Why ? Because there is value in human life, liability that comes with transporting humans. Remove that liability, your removing the value of human life.HT SYSTEM-
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@tonyb like the sophisticated braking/traction control systems in modern car. I don't think I need to explain what could happen if that goes haywire.
As I said 79 percent of air fatalities are due to human error. Did you know that the F-35 is projected to be the last manned US fighter jet?
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Boeing just had to kick the robots to the curb building their new 777's and replace them with actual mechanics because of mistakes. Why ? Because there is value in human life, liability that comes with transporting humans. Remove that liability, your removing the value of human life.
Not sure that I'd hold Boeing up as an exemplar of valuing human life, or of making good corporate decisions related to same.
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Boeing just had to kick the robots to the curb building their new 777's and replace them with actual mechanics because of mistakes. Why ? Because there is value in human life, liability that comes with transporting humans. Remove that liability, your removing the value of human life.
Not sure that I'd hold Boeing up as an exemplar of valuing human life, or of making good corporate decisions related to same.
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Boeing just had to kick the robots to the curb building their new 777's and replace them with actual mechanics because of mistakes. Why ? Because there is value in human life, liability that comes with transporting humans. Remove that liability, your removing the value of human life.
Not sure that I'd hold Boeing up as an exemplar of valuing human life, or of making good corporate decisions related to same.
I get your point on their recent troubles, but generally speaking, airplanes have a safety record second to none, and that's because of the attention given to it, human interactions flying them, and liability for human life.
After all, if the liability wasn't there, would planes be as safe today ?HT SYSTEM-
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afterburnt wrote: »@tonyb like the sophisticated braking/traction control systems in modern car. I don't think I need to explain what could happen if that goes haywire.
As I said 79 percent of air fatalities are due to human error. Did you know that the F-35 is projected to be the last manned US fighter jet?
Of course there's value in human life, machines need batteries.
Braking and traction control, when they fail, a dummy light comes on to inform you. You can still stop the car....maybe not as fast though.
Unmanned fighter jet you say ? I don't think I need to explain what can happen if that goes haywire too.
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Let's see, 4 out of 5 people that die in air crashes are killed by their pilots not by computers. I don't know about you but I will be traveling by "Johnny Jet" and "Johnny Cab" Glenn Quagmire ain't killin me!
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I had to look it up. Because traffic tickets vary wildly in price the estimate is 3.75 to 7.5 billion dollars a year in the US of A.afterburnt wrote: »They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.
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afterburnt wrote: »@tonyb like the sophisticated braking/traction control systems in modern car. I don't think I need to explain what could happen if that goes haywire.
As I said 79 percent of air fatalities are due to human error. Did you know that the F-35 is projected to be the last manned US fighter jet?
Of course there's value in human life, machines need batteries.
Braking and traction control, when they fail, a dummy light comes on to inform you. You can still stop the car....maybe not as fast though.
Unmanned fighter jet you say ? I don't think I need to explain what can happen if that goes haywire too.
Damnit Tony I am not talking about going on the blink, I am talking about haywire sending you into the spin cycle! That thing controls your brakes not you.
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We do occasionally see Irish flags, Italian flags, and even Scottish 🏴 (not U.K.) flags too... It’s just like saying you’re a proud Irish-American, is it not? 🤔Alea jacta est!
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Well..., the way I look at it I happen to be an American who is of Scottish decent (among others). But, like I said, that’s the way I look at it. I don’t fly Scotland’s flag at my house, or on my vehicle...Remember, when you're running from something, you're running to something...-me
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afterburnt wrote: »afterburnt wrote: »@tonyb like the sophisticated braking/traction control systems in modern car. I don't think I need to explain what could happen if that goes haywire.
As I said 79 percent of air fatalities are due to human error. Did you know that the F-35 is projected to be the last manned US fighter jet?
Of course there's value in human life, machines need batteries.
Braking and traction control, when they fail, a dummy light comes on to inform you. You can still stop the car....maybe not as fast though.
Unmanned fighter jet you say ? I don't think I need to explain what can happen if that goes haywire too.
Damnit Tony I am not talking about going on the blink, I am talking about haywire sending you into the spin cycle! That thing controls your brakes not you.
"It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear! And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead!"
LMAO....I hear ya man, I just never heard of those systems actually doing what your describing.
Of course one can always hack those systems too and you'd be in trouble. Didn't someone years ago demonstrate that with a Jeep ? A human isn't hackable, but they do have faults too.
….and a fighter jet that goes haywire, carrying missiles yet....what can possibly go wrong if one of our enemies hack that ?HT SYSTEM-
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Well..., the way I look at it I happen to be an American who is of Scottish decent (among others). But, like I said, that’s the way I look at it. I don’t fly Scotland’s flag at my house, or on my vehicle...
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afterburnt wrote: »afterburnt wrote: »@tonyb like the sophisticated braking/traction control systems in modern car. I don't think I need to explain what could happen if that goes haywire.
As I said 79 percent of air fatalities are due to human error. Did you know that the F-35 is projected to be the last manned US fighter jet?
Of course there's value in human life, machines need batteries.
Braking and traction control, when they fail, a dummy light comes on to inform you. You can still stop the car....maybe not as fast though.
Unmanned fighter jet you say ? I don't think I need to explain what can happen if that goes haywire too.
Damnit Tony I am not talking about going on the blink, I am talking about haywire sending you into the spin cycle! That thing controls your brakes not you.
"It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear! And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead!"
LMAO....I hear ya man, I just never heard of those systems actually doing what your describing.
Of course one can always hack those systems too and you'd be in trouble. Didn't someone years ago demonstrate that with a Jeep ? A human isn't hackable, but they do have faults too.
….and a fighter jet that goes haywire, carrying missiles yet....what can possibly go wrong if one of our enemies hack that ?
Tony that's my point, it like never happens. BTW people can be hacked, aint you never seen Telefon? -
afterburnt wrote: »Well..., the way I look at it I happen to be an American who is of Scottish decent (among others). But, like I said, that’s the way I look at it. I don’t fly Scotland’s flag at my house, or on my vehicle...
I see people walking around wearing hammer and sickle and Che tee shirts. It’s just like saying you’re a proud moron.
LMAO....INDEED !!
Nothing wrong though with displaying one's own national pride, while still being part of the melting pot we call America.HT SYSTEM-
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I believe that NHTSA estimates that a similar percentage of road deaths are caused by human error. Among some of the top causes:afterburnt wrote: »As I said 79 percent of air fatalities are due to human error...- Distracted Driving
- Speeding
- Driving under the influence (alcohol/drugs)
- Reckless driving
- Running red lights
- Running stop signs
- Unsafe lane changes
- Wrong way driving
- Improper turns
- Tailgating
- Road rage
- Drowsy driving
Autonomous vehicles (electric powered or otherwise) are unlikely to be involved in any of those scenarios.Alea jacta est! -
I believe that NHTSA estimates that a similar percentage of road deaths are caused by human error. Among some of the top causes:afterburnt wrote: »As I said 79 percent of air fatalities are due to human error...- Distracted Driving
- Speeding
- Driving under the influence (alcohol/drugs)
- Reckless driving
- Running red lights
- Running stop signs
- Unsafe lane changes
- Wrong way driving
- Improper turns
- Tailgating
- Road rage
- Drowsy driving
Autonomous vehicles (electric powered or otherwise) are unlikely to be involved in any of those scenarios.
Really ? They already are.
Distractive driving....hello
Unsafe lane changes, and a few others can also happen if the system doesn't recognize it. Such as...recent changes to traffic like construction zones. Such as, new stop signs and traffic control signs recently installed. How about flaggers in a construction zone where you have to actually see what they want you to do. How about wind, blowing things in front of you like garbage cans....a semi on the highway. Ever see a semi in a wind storm on the highway ? A car swerving in front of you ? Will the car tell you he's an idiot, possibly drunk, and make evasive maneuvers ?
Too many variables to give control over to tech.HT SYSTEM-
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I think you are confusing what people do in Teslas (Level 2) with what Level 4 or Level 5 cars will be capable of (the distracted driving in particular). But anyway... all this autonomous driving discussion doesn’t have much to do with a Mustang EV with a manual transmission: it will not be driving itself, ever!Alea jacta est!
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Autonomous vehicles are a solution looking for a problem.Political Correctness'.........defined
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I believe that NHTSA estimates that a similar percentage of road deaths are caused by human error. Among some of the top causes:afterburnt wrote: »As I said 79 percent of air fatalities are due to human error...- Distracted Driving
- Speeding
- Driving under the influence (alcohol/drugs)
- Reckless driving
- Running red lights
- Running stop signs
- Unsafe lane changes
- Wrong way driving
- Improper turns
- Tailgating
- Road rage
- Drowsy driving
Autonomous vehicles (electric powered or otherwise) are unlikely to be involved in any of those scenarios.
Really ? They already are.
Distractive driving....hello
Unsafe lane changes, and a few others can also happen if the system doesn't recognize it. Such as...recent changes to traffic like construction zones. Such as, new stop signs and traffic control signs recently installed. How about flaggers in a construction zone where you have to actually see what they want you to do. How about wind, blowing things in front of you like garbage cans....a semi on the highway. Ever see a semi in a wind storm on the highway ? A car swerving in front of you ? Will the car tell you he's an idiot, possibly drunk, and make evasive maneuvers ?
Too many variables to give control over to tech.
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afterburnt wrote: »Well..., the way I look at it I happen to be an American who is of Scottish decent (among others). But, like I said, that’s the way I look at it. I don’t fly Scotland’s flag at my house, or on my vehicle...
I see people walking around wearing hammer and sickle and Che tee shirts. It’s just like saying you’re a proud moron.
LMAO....INDEED !!
Nothing wrong though with displaying one's own national pride, while still being part of the melting pot we call America.
Yep. Gotta be proud of one's heritage! Good to see the car is flying an American Flag too, otherwise yes it may be interpreted differently!
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Jensen Huang - Founder, President and CEO.“Everything that moves will have autonomous capability or be fully autonomous. [...] This is a foregone conclusion.”
Nvidia Corporation - Market cap: $128B.
Conference call, quarterly earnings, November 14 2019
Some of the examples he mentioned included:- Passenger owned vehicles.
- Robot taxis.
- Trucks.
- Shuttles.
- Goods vehicles.
- Grocery delivery.
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I WANT TO DRIVE!! If I wanted someone else to drive I'd have a chauffeur and OF course Grey Poupon .....
carry on.
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Definitely like to drive for pleasure - sometimes - like up a canyon or along the coast on PCH... but 99% of the time, driving because I have to (maybe in bumper to bumper traffic) is not fun. Having the option to choose when and where I want to drive, and when I want to take a break without stopping might be nice.
Also, I just enjoy watching technology improve.Alea jacta est!
