Mustang - 900 HP, manual transmission

sucks2beme

Put the battery in the front and a motor/transaxle in the back
Then build a trunk over the front battery and remove the hump in the floor.
More trunk storage, more interior room, and you can make a stang
Eco friendly and fast. You wouldn't need 900hp either.
You could sell it for a bit more than the v8 in today's car and
Turn the market upside down. There's a real goal for Ford in
The 21st century. If you can't give us flying cars, at least make us
Feel like we're flying.

mhardy6647

I like the "one motor per wheel" AWD approach, personally.

Jstas

I'm glad I bought a bat poo crazy supercharged pickup truck when I had the chance.

I don't have to worry about absurdity like this.

CH46E

Nightfall wrote: »

F1nut wrote: »

The Tesla definitely got the better launch the second time, but that Demon was catching it fast....lol

For sure. I wonder what the electric Mustang (sounds weird to say out loud) will do with actual gears? If they can match the power/output of the P100D they could end up with the faster car, it won't run out of steam the faster it goes.

P100D Dyno. Totally crashes the faster the motor spins, which is why the Demon catches the back 1/2 so strong.



Now imagine you can shift gears and go back to the beginning of that dyno graph part way down the track.

That will have to be one heck of a clutch pack to hold that TQ and last 100K miles. And if it has a motor at each wheel how would that work?

Viking64

Solution: Stay home.

afterburnt

CH46E wrote: »

Nightfall wrote: »

F1nut wrote: »

The Tesla definitely got the better launch the second time, but that Demon was catching it fast....lol

For sure. I wonder what the electric Mustang (sounds weird to say out loud) will do with actual gears? If they can match the power/output of the P100D they could end up with the faster car, it won't run out of steam the faster it goes.

P100D Dyno. Totally crashes the faster the motor spins, which is why the Demon catches the back 1/2 so strong.



Now imagine you can shift gears and go back to the beginning of that dyno graph part way down the track.

That will have to be one heck of a clutch pack to hold that TQ and last 100K miles. And if it has a motor at each wheel how would that work?

Computer controlled VFD's

verb

Polkitup2 wrote: »

The people who can buy big boats, expensive cars, fancy audio gear and a lot of other stuff I can't afford I view as keeping designers, engineers, and factory workers employed. The technology eventually trickles down to stuff I can afford. Everyone benefits.

Thank you! Keep the Mrs and I employed!

verb

I'm certainly an old school guy when it comes to toys. Heck my 59 Chevy, and 2 Harley's still have carburetors in em. SSR is fuel injected.

But the world's a changing for sure. All the automotive companies (including mine) are going like crazy to get electric vehicles out there. Lot's of competition. In the end, the better products will win, just like in the early days of the gasoline powered vehicles.

Even Harley has an electric bike! Who would have predicted that just a few short years ago?

Are electrics for me? Daily commuter, possibly. Fun toy? We'll just have to wait and see!

All good, as it certainly keep my industry busy!

VR3

When they can recharge a car in 90 seconds, I'm all ears.

DoneandGone

Electric motors connected to the wheels are the future, fact. How power gets to the motors, irrelevant. However, there will always be an industry for ‘hobbyists’ whole will always want a combustion engine. That market will always be here. I believe we will have electric daily commutes then ‘combustion engine designation’ roads for the hobbyists.

DoneandGone

Also another future concept....we will educate our children to manage their times better and be sustainable in their daily lives. Part of that is to use transportation wisely. There’s only 2 ways to reduce traffic congestion. Manage usage better (time), and put automated traffic on the roads and take away the ‘human’ driving and making emotional descisions.

sucks2beme

Sorry, auto driving autos will NOT work. Any little hiccup will end in a pile up of epic size. They work using sensors. Those sensors stop working correctly, you're in
trouble fast. A good rain or snow storm, forget it. Not to mention any mechanical failure. The liability is on you. This has already happened to a driver letting it self drive. It failed and the driver of course was otherwise engaged.
Lawyers are going to have a field day with this stuff.

tonyb

DoneandGone wrote: »

Also another future concept....we will educate our children to manage their times better and be sustainable in their daily lives. Part of that is to use transportation wisely. There’s only 2 ways to reduce traffic congestion. Manage usage better (time), and put automated traffic on the roads and take away the ‘human’ driving and making emotional descisions.

Huh ? What ??

Didn't have your coffee yet because your brain isn't operating correctly. lol

erniejade

sucks2beme wrote: »

Sorry, auto driving autos will NOT work. Any little hiccup will end in a pile up of epic size. They work using sensors. Those sensors stop working correctly, you're in
trouble fast. A good rain or snow storm, forget it. Not to mention any mechanical failure. The liability is on you. This has already happened to a driver letting it self drive. It failed and the driver of course was otherwise engaged.
Lawyers are going to have a field day with this stuff.

Last month Bridget and I went to a wedding in Estes Park CO. We flew into Denver, stayed a night in downtown Denver and drove to Estes Park. The Hyundai Santa Fe the rental company gave us had some kind of lane assist. The car thinks you are going out of your line and tries to put you back into line. After driving through some winding mountain roads I almost got into an accident because the car was fighting me on a turn! I thought it was a fluke but it happened again. Nothing like taking a hairpin turn at 8000 feet elevation with no guard rail and the car is fighting you on a turn. We found a place to pull off and disabled all of it. That scared the heck out of me enough to loose complete faith and auto driving cars.

shawn474

I commute 90-120 minutes twice a day (while traveling 42 miles each way) - I spend the majority of my life working, sleeping and driving. I always said when given the opportunity I would drive something comfortable that I LIKED driving. I am a pickup truck kind of guy and have a 2019 tundra. Word on the street is they’re coming out with a hybrid (and possibly all electric) tundra in the next few years. The torque possibilities for pick ups and towing capacity are huge upsides to electric / hybrid - but the batteries will cut into actual payload I suspect. Either way, once they can increase mileage in excess of 300 miles per charge I would consider it. Until then, not sure I am in the market.

verb

@erniejade Ah the lane keep assist technology Brian! Yep it gives you a warning, optical or haptic, and even provides steering intervention if the algorithm thinks you're in trouble!

Takes a bit getting used to for sure! I like to take the turns on the inside so this thing is constantly going off as I cross the line! It is switchable on/off though!

My vehicle that I'm currently driving has adaptive cruise control. Keeps a constant following distance no matter what the speed is set at. Will even emergency brake if, again, the algorithm thinks you're about to rear end somebody! Yep takes a bit getting used to.

Even back up safety protection. The vehicle will alert me while backing up if there is cross traffic or pedestrians that I cannot see.

Oh yeah, automatic parallel parking! Haven't tried that one yet!

There is a bunch of other technologies out there! All a little different, quirky you may say. Different companies do things, well, a little differently. They can be annoying at times, as you found out Brian the vehicle wanted to do one thing, while the driver (you) wanted to do something else!

But the end game is autonomous, IMO. Are we there yet? Or even close? We're getting there! All these little bits and pieces of technology being introduced are opportunities for companies to learn and refine them. And eventually integrate them into a complete autonomous package.

The race is on!

DaveHo

All the while enabling the average driver to become bigger morons than they already are.

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DaveHo wrote: »

All the while enabling the average driver to become bigger morons than they already are.

Lol perhaps! Morons will be morons for sure! Will all this tech help keep others safe while the morons have control? Probably.

Taking the keys away from the morons, probably a good thing!

afterburnt

DoneandGone wrote: »

Also another future concept....we will educate our children to manage their times better and be sustainable in their daily lives. Part of that is to use transportation wisely. There’s only 2 ways to reduce traffic congestion. Manage usage better (time), and put automated traffic on the roads and take away the ‘human’ driving and making emotional descisions.

So you advocate continuing to educate our chidren into imbecility?

afterburnt

erniejade wrote: »

sucks2beme wrote: »

Sorry, auto driving autos will NOT work. Any little hiccup will end in a pile up of epic size. They work using sensors. Those sensors stop working correctly, you're in
trouble fast. A good rain or snow storm, forget it. Not to mention any mechanical failure. The liability is on you. This has already happened to a driver letting it self drive. It failed and the driver of course was otherwise engaged.
Lawyers are going to have a field day with this stuff.

Last month Bridget and I went to a wedding in Estes Park CO. We flew into Denver, stayed a night in downtown Denver and drove to Estes Park. The Hyundai Santa Fe the rental company gave us had some kind of lane assist. The car thinks you are going out of your line and tries to put you back into line. After driving through some winding mountain roads I almost got into an accident because the car was fighting me on a turn! I thought it was a fluke but it happened again. Nothing like taking a hairpin turn at 8000 feet elevation with no guard rail and the car is fighting you on a turn. We found a place to pull off and disabled all of it. That scared the heck out of me enough to loose complete faith and auto driving cars.

"No one will ever need more than 640kb"

Kex

erniejade wrote: »

... The Hyundai Santa Fe the rental company gave us had some kind of lane assist. The car thinks you are going out of your line and tries to put you back into line. After driving through some winding mountain roads I almost got into an accident because the car was fighting me on a turn! [...] That scared the heck out of me enough to loose complete faith and auto driving cars.

I had a similar experience earlier this year in Denver heading up to Winter Park in a rented Subaru something or other. The adaptive cruise control on that vehicle was terrible. There were ways to adjust the distance it would try to maintain with the car in front. Initially, it would frequently get too close to the car in front (under two seconds) and then brake abruptly at the last minute. I tried adjusting it to be more conservative, so that it wouldn’t get so close, but then other vehicles would cut in, and it would brake even more abruptly to reestablish the expected distance. I hated it and turned it off.

But there are plenty of cars on the road today with adaptive cruise control, and they all work differently. Mercedes-Benz first offered it twenty years ago! I’ve driven a rented Renault Talisman in Europe a couple of years ago, and that was much better than the Subaru, and was good enough that I didn’t turn that one off (it helped that it also had a heads up display).

In any case, none of these, including Teslas, are better than Level 2 autonomous, so they really only provided advanced cruise control. The 2018 Audi A8 is the first Level 3 production car you can buy, and it can drive autonomously with no hands required on the wheel in Europe at speeds of up to 40 mph. It is intended for stop and go traffic, which is where I would find autonomous driving most useful. Regulations in the U.S. reportedly proved too complex to navigate, however, so the feature is disabled here. I would expect the updated S-Class and 7 series from BMW to at least match the Audi with Level 3 in Europe. We won’t get fully autonomous vehicles beyond the capabilities of the A8 until we reach Level 4 or 5.

mhardy6647

I am no fan of technology (any more*), but 'autonomous' vehicles have one huge advantage over human drivers -- reaction time.

Humans are hardwired for a reaction time of about 0.1 second.
Easy to do an order of magnitude better (or even more) with eee-lectronics.
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* I was a fairly significant member of a small but highly visible "technology strategy" group in a terrifying large pharmaceutical company for a few years late in my RFT career. I've had a lifetime's worth of 'innovation'

Nightfall

Autonomous cars will not happen for one simple reason. Every city (county?) rely on traffic tickets as a source of income. It's huge business, cops are first and foremost revenue generators. If that stopped because every car on the road 100% followed every law where would that money come from?

mhardy6647

Oh, the po' will develop a new revenue model -- although I'll admit that thought is too terrifying for me to cogitate upon sober.

afterburnt

In the future everyone will be wearing black pajamas and riding bikes

pitdogg2

afterburnt wrote: »

In the future everyone will be wearing black pajamas and riding bikes

Why not blue and riding trikes???

mhardy6647

pitdogg2 wrote: »

afterburnt wrote: »

In the future everyone will be wearing black pajamas and riding bikes

Why not blue and riding trikes???

heretic!

DoneandGone

We have tricycles at our project site, it’s too far to walk....
Also, autonomous will happen. There is no avoidance of progress and inevitability.
Our children are being taught to be sustainable and avoid unnecessary energy wastage. This is a function of time management (planning). We (humans) are advancing quicker than our opinions and values can handle.
An electric Mustang sounds ridiculous, but it’s an attempt to bridge the gap of acceptance of electric vehicles and how it will change society. Raymond Kurzweil is predicting our futures quite accurately. We will live longer, artificial intelligence will become self aware, and humanities’ real future is off-world.
I would like step up the staircase onto the rocketship heading to the stars!!

DoneandGone

And, ‘nobody expects the Spanish inquisition’

VR3

I'm all for autonomous, spending on average 4 to 6 hours a day in a car... If I could do administrative tasks while the car drove itself? That would be awesome.

From what I've seen, we are a long ways from that becoming a tangible reality