Polk LSiM 705 & 707 towers just went on sale (7/16/19)! Which to get, and why?

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  • DarqueKnight
    DarqueKnight Posts: 6,765
    Thanks. The only way to know for sure is to ask Denon, but their reluctance to publish a 5 channel power spec makes me think getting such information from them would be difficult.
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  • Landmonster
    Landmonster Posts: 79
    Not to detail the thread.

    Any amp advice for this proposed set-up?
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  • marvda1
    marvda1 Posts: 4,903
    go by audio concepts in dallas and listen to these.
    https://audioconceptsonline.com/portfolio-items/sonus-faber-concerto-domus-speakers/
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  • rooftop59
    rooftop59 Posts: 8,121
    Landmonster wrote: »
    Not to detail the thread.

    Any amp advice for this proposed set-up?

    I think this would make them sing nicely: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Parasound-HCA-1205A-5-Channel-140-watts-Amplifier/183877919639?epid=66783576&hash=item2acffa6397:g:MLEAAOSwxM1dJtiV
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  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 12,949
    Bryston also a good option for the LSiMs.
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  • joecoulson
    joecoulson Posts: 4,943
    Skip..tusk tusk

    Always peddling the T+A

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  • ken brydson
    ken brydson Posts: 8,773
    joecoulson wrote: »
    Skip..tusk tusk

    Always peddling the T+A

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    Keiko worthy...
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  • juice2544
    juice2544 Posts: 22
    edited July 2019
    I have the 705s & 706 on the way with a cheap Yamaha receiver and was also wondering which amp would be ideal (any options for lower price range?)
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  • joecoulson
    joecoulson Posts: 4,943
    Maybe a used ADCOM from CL
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    Been a while since I paid much attention to HT, but I would get separate pre-amp and amplifier. Figure around $5K for a start. You get what you pay for.
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  • mrloren
    mrloren Posts: 2,465
    For new, Emotiva is the starting point and it all goes up from there.

    A nice Marantz 8802 pre with a good Parasound amp is ideal
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.
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  • marvda1
    marvda1 Posts: 4,903
    @landmonster, did you get achance to go listen to the sonus fabers ?
    Amplifiers: Norma IPA 140, MasterSound Compact 845, Ayre v6xe, Consonance Cyber 800
    Preamp: deHavilland Ultraverve 3
    Dac: Sonnet Morpheus 2, Musical Paradise mp-d2 mkIII
    Transport: Jay's Audio CDT2 mk2, Lumin U1 mini
    Speakers: Rosso Fiorentino Volterra II
    Speaker Cables: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2, Organic Audio Organic Reference 2
    Interconnects: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2, Argento Organic Reference 2, Argento Organic 2
    Power Cables: Argento Organic Reference, Synergistic Research Foundation 10 and 12 ga.
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  • juice2544
    juice2544 Posts: 22
    mrloren wrote: »
    For new, Emotiva is the starting point and it all goes up from there.

    A nice Marantz 8802 pre with a good Parasound amp is ideal
    Can I keep my current tsr 5830 and add either Parasound 2125v2 150w, Marantz MM7025 140w, or Emotiva XPA 2 or 3 Gen3? (will the LSIM 706 need to be on an amp? Sorry, trying to grasp the basics of what I need to get it running with hopefully minimal cost)
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    Welcome to Club Polk Juice. Unfortunately, your Yamaha doesn't have preouts to add a separate amplifier. You will have to save more money, and replace it with a much better receiver. Denon, Marantz, Pioneer are favorites around here. Here are a few to take a look at that would fit the bill.

    https://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/denavrx3400h/denon-avr-x3400h-7.2-ch-x-105-watts-a/v-receiver-w/heos/1.html

    https://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/marsr5012/marantz-sr5012-7.2-ch-x-100-watts-a/v-receiver-w/heos/1.html

    https://www.amazon.com/Marantz-SR5013-7-2-Compatibility-Streaming-Automation/dp/B07FMPVMRL/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=marantz+receiver&qid=1563718184&s=gateway&sr=8-3

    These will do until you are able to get a separate amp to add to it.
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  • Geoff4rfc
    Geoff4rfc Posts: 2,437
    cfrizz wrote: »
    Welcome to Club Polk Juice. Unfortunately, your Yamaha doesn't have preouts to add a separate amplifier. You will have to save more money, and replace it with a much better receiver. Denon, Marantz, Pioneer are favorites around here..

    Crazy how Amazon is growing with availability!!! Here's another choice from AC4L @juice2544 https://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/marmm7055/marantz-mm7055-5-ch-x-140-watts-power-amplifier/1.html

    Sorry for derailing your thread @Landmonster

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  • joecoulson
    joecoulson Posts: 4,943
    I have the SR5013 and it’s a great inexpensive HT option.
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  • Landmonster
    Landmonster Posts: 79
    No worries, and thanks for the input so far. It seems clear that the 707s now will sound better than the 705s, given appropriate amplification. So, that would be my preferred long-term goal.

    The problem is, however, is that I can't afford "proper amplification" (ie. an expensive amp) and also 707s at the same time without going into debt. :'( I could swing it sooner with a pair of 705s, since they are about $520 cheaper.... and I could get a decent 2 channel used amp.

    As an update, Adorama just dropped the price the on these speakers again. Lol.... see link here:

    https://www.adorama.com/g/polk-audio-LSiM-series-sale?sdtid=12992437&emailprice=t&utm_medium=Affiliate&utm_source=rflaid62905


    I'm still trying to make sense of my options, given my budget constraints.


    Options:
    1. Get the 707s, wait several months to get an amp.
    2. Get the 705s, get an amp much sooner.
    3. Get an amp now to power my 703/706c combo, and wait to get towers later.


    Questions:
    1. Does anyone know when these LSiM speakers will truly no longer be available for sale new? I keep hearing rumors that these will be discontinued at some point.
    2. Would either the 705s or 707s be passable with the Denon? Or would both sound equally frustrating/under-powered/flat, etc?
    3. Would the 703/706c combo benefit from a power amp? Or does the main benefit of the power amp pertain to the 705 or 707 towers?



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  • Landmonster
    Landmonster Posts: 79
    edited July 2019
    rooftop59 wrote: »
    Landmonster wrote: »
    Not to detail the thread.

    Any amp advice for this proposed set-up?

    I think this would make them sing nicely: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Parasound-HCA-1205A-5-Channel-140-watts-Amplifier/183877919639?epid=66783576&hash=item2acffa6397:g:MLEAAOSwxM1dJtiV

    I'm sure that is a nice amp, and the price seems good. However, other comments have led me to think the 707s sound best with 250+ real watts per channel.


    Edit: However... I'm sure that would be a pretty nice amp for the 703s? One option I haven't fully explored would be to buy more 703s for all around, use an amplifier like that one.... then add a sub sooner.
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  • Landmonster
    Landmonster Posts: 79
    DSkip wrote: »
    Nothing has ever lit up LSiM speakers like the T+A amps. You might be able to find an older amp for a decent price.

    What is a T+A amp? I'm not familiar with the terminology there.
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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,306
    Landmonster wrote: »
    DSkip wrote: »
    Nothing has ever lit up LSiM speakers like the T+A amps. You might be able to find an older amp for a decent price.

    What is a T+A amp? I'm not familiar with the terminology there.

    It's not a term, but a manufacturer of high-end audio.

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    Gone to new homes: (Matt Polk's)Threshold Stasis SA12e monoblocks, Pass XA30.5 amp, Usher MD2 speakers, Dynaudio C4 platinum speakers, Modwright LS100 (voltz), Simaudio 780D DAC

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  • marvda1
    marvda1 Posts: 4,903
    Landmonster wrote: »
    DSkip wrote: »
    Nothing has ever lit up LSiM speakers like the T+A amps. You might be able to find an older amp for a decent price.

    What is a T+A amp? I'm not familiar with the terminology there.

    https://www.ta-hifi.de/en/?doing_wp_cron=1563739678.2817680835723876953125
    Amplifiers: Norma IPA 140, MasterSound Compact 845, Ayre v6xe, Consonance Cyber 800
    Preamp: deHavilland Ultraverve 3
    Dac: Sonnet Morpheus 2, Musical Paradise mp-d2 mkIII
    Transport: Jay's Audio CDT2 mk2, Lumin U1 mini
    Speakers: Rosso Fiorentino Volterra II
    Speaker Cables: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2, Organic Audio Organic Reference 2
    Interconnects: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2, Argento Organic Reference 2, Argento Organic 2
    Power Cables: Argento Organic Reference, Synergistic Research Foundation 10 and 12 ga.
    Digital cables: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2 bnc, Tellurium Q aes, Silnote Audio Poseidon Signature 2 bnc
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  • Landmonster
    Landmonster Posts: 79
    marvda1 wrote: »
    Landmonster wrote: »
    DSkip wrote: »
    Nothing has ever lit up LSiM speakers like the T+A amps. You might be able to find an older amp for a decent price.

    What is a T+A amp? I'm not familiar with the terminology there.

    https://www.ta-hifi.de/en/?doing_wp_cron=1563739678.2817680835723876953125

    Ah ok. The 3000 HV amp comes in at a cool $19,000.

    If I had that kind of cash for an amp, I'd probably be looking at speakers better than LSiMs, and a have a dedicated media room with all sorts of treatments.
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  • Landmonster
    Landmonster Posts: 79
    This is one amp I was considering. Not sure if it is well regarded here, or not.

    https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=15593
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,649
    Geesh dude, just buy something.
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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,306
    Put the front 3 on this amp

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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    Landmonster wrote: »
    This is one amp I was considering. Not sure if it is well regarded here, or not.

    https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=15593

    Monoprice just got into the amplifier market, and as far as I know no one on here owns one. We all have to start somewhere.

    It's got good power and 5 channels, which is the most important thing. If you can afford it as well as whichever of the LSIM towers you decide on go for it.
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  • mrloren
    mrloren Posts: 2,465
    I'd get the 707 at that price and save for a good amp. Emotiva are not bad (I use one and like it). I almost got the Monoprice but a couple of reviews saying they get burning hot stopped me.
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.
    Family Room:LG QNED80 75", Onkyo RZ50 Emotiva XPA3 GEN3 Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM. Main: Polk LsiM 705Center: Polk LSiM 704CFront High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT Surrounds: Polk S15 Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5
    Bed Room; Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270Main: Polk Signature S20Center: Polk Signature S35Rear: Polk R15 Sub: SVS SB2000
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,649
    edited July 2019
    Monoprice amps are made by ATI.

    There's nothing wrong with a class A/B amp getting hot. Generally, that means it's biased to class A, which is good thing. A bad reason for one to run hot is insufficient heatsinks. Looking inside the ATI/Monoprice it's almost all heatsinks, so it must be biased to class A since it runs hot.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,649
    I forgot to mention another reason for an amp like that to run hot. People shove them inside cabinets without allowing for proper airflow. An amp needs a minimum of 6 inches above with the cabinet open front and back.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

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  • jeremymarcinko
    jeremymarcinko Posts: 3,785
    I recommend Outlaw for about the same money as Emotiva or monoprice.

    https://www.outlawaudio.com/products/7000x.html
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