How is U.S. Audio Mart for used equipment? any other good sites I should search?

I have bought most of my vintage stereo gear on this forum and have had great results but have recently expanded my search to other sites to look for stuff that does not come up for sale too often (I have upgraditis) on this forum. One site, other than audiogon, which I see come up a lot is U.S. Audio Mart. I am not familiar with this site. Does anyone have experience with buying stuff on there? Can I buy with confidence on sites like audiogon and U.S. Audio Mart? What should I watch out for (I know to pay via pay pal and have items insured, etc; anything else to be aware of?)? Any other sites I should be looking at? Thanks.

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  • displaynamedisplayname Posts: 405
    Anything that's going to be peer to peer selling has some risks. Just like paypal. Audiogon and US Audio Mart are of equal quality in my mind. I do like that they flag who is a dealer on both of those sites. Also if you find a dealer you like (even outside of your area) many of them will have used sections on their sites, or links to their accounts on Audiogon/Audio Mart. You can message sellers on both sites, which I think is important as you get into higher dollar stuff.

    Below I linked a few other sites that I have not personally used, but I have talked to several people who speak highly of them.
    https://echohifi.com/
    https://tmraudio.com/ - this site seems to be where all of PS Audio's trade-in gear ends up.
    Analog: MoFi MasterTracker > MoFi UltraDeck > Sutherland 20/20
    Digital: Sony CDP-CE375 / Streaming > Cambridge CXN v2
    MastersounD Dueventi > JBL Studio 580 or Arcam rHead > Hifiman HE4XX
    Discogs
  • displaynamedisplayname Posts: 405
    Forgot to mention - ask around here too. Skip from this site has a dealer account on US Audio Mart. I'm sure several members here have accounts on those sites as well. Just gives you one more connection/trust point with sellers potentially.
    Analog: MoFi MasterTracker > MoFi UltraDeck > Sutherland 20/20
    Digital: Sony CDP-CE375 / Streaming > Cambridge CXN v2
    MastersounD Dueventi > JBL Studio 580 or Arcam rHead > Hifiman HE4XX
    Discogs
  • HermitismHermitism Posts: 2,537
    I've had two transactions on US Audio Mart and they were both positive. A little over a year ago I posted a Wanted Ad for some specific speaker stands and someone responded within a couple days and I ended up getting some new old stock stands at a great price. It went very smoothly. Then this December I purchased an integrated amp from there, another positive transaction at a great price. The site has it's own feedback system similar to the way eBay works, except you have so many days/weeks to go back and revise your feedback comments, unlike eBay. The site allows you to import feedback from external sites like eBay (that might be the only one, I can't remember) and it allows you to link your Paypal acct also to show you are Paypal Verified. This allows buyers/sellers a little more to go on when buying/selling from someone they don't know. Both times I spent some extra time communicating with the sellers just to give me a sense of who I was dealing with. Of course, both times they never took the time to leave me feedback for my awesomeness! I love mankind... it's people I can't stand!

    After being here for a few years I understand why you guys are so protective of this forum's Flea Market. Something I really didn't understand when joining. I've bought a couple things here and I felt stress-free throughout the transactions even though I had never met the people in person before.

    I guess every place is gonna have a few bad apples, but my experience was positive.
    2.0/3.0 - Marantz: PM8005 w/HT Bypass, NA8005 | Polk: LSiM703, LSiM706c | PS Audio: Duet, Power Port Classic, PerfectWave AC5 x3 PC | Wireworld Equinox 7 IC | AudioPrism Quietline MkIII x7 | Sanus UF30 | Acoustic Panels, GIK Soffit Traps

    6.1 - Pioneer Elite SC-05 | Pio BDP-51FD | Polk: RTi8, CSi5, F/Xi3, CSi3 | HSU Research VTF-2 MK4 | PS Audio: Quintet, Power Port Classic | DCF124BW x3 SC | Pangea: AC-9SE x2, 14SE, 14 PC | AQ Chocolate x2 HDMI | M850SW | Acoustic Panels, GIK Soffit Traps
  • treitz3treitz3 Posts: 13,043
    In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence.

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  • DaveHoDaveHo Posts: 2,417
    Have bought & sold on both US Audio Mart & Audiogon. Never a problem.
  • Mikey081057Mikey081057 Posts: 6,586
    I look on https://www.hifishark.com/.

    It aggregates a bunch of sites and is searchable with links to where they are.
    My New Year's resolution is 3840 × 2160

    HT:Polk LSiM 706 LSiM 705's VR3 LSiM 703's LSiM 702's| Marantz AV7704 | Sunfire TGA-7401 | Oppo UDP 203 | Sony PS4 Pro| Directv Genie HD DVR | Samsung 75" Q8 QLED | SVS PB13 Ultra | MIT EXP 2's (Fronts & Center)

    ManCave: Parasound Halo A21 | Parsound Halo A52+ | Marantz AV7002 AV PrePro | Usher Dancer Mini-x DMD's | Usher BE-616 Center | SVS Ultra Surrounds | SVS SB4000 Sub | SVS SB2000 Sub | Oppo UDP 203 | MIT Shotgun S3's | PSAudio Stellar GCD | Music Hall MMF 5.3se TT w/ Soundsmith Carmen | Mytek Brooklyn DAC+ | Lumin U1 Mini | HP Elite Slice PC | ROON'd for life | Samsung 50" SUHD TV | Sony PS4

    Patio | Polk Atrium 8's | Yamaha R-N303BL |

    Office |Cocktail Audio X14 | KEF LS50 | Peactree Nova 125SE |

    Bedroom | Focal 905's | Chromecast Audio |

    Garage | Polk Monitor 5B's

    Closet Yamaha M80 | 2 Polk MP3K subs| Yaqin MC100B with Shuguang Treasures KT 88's & CV181Z's | Tesla E83CC's | Marantz 2252B | Marantz 2385 | Bluesound Node |Polk SDA SRS 2.3 |
  • pglbookpglbook Posts: 1,690
    Thanks for all the comments. I am currently looking at a nice amp on U.S. Audio Mart and have communicated via e-mail with the Seller a few times today and he seems like a decent person but he has no feedback on US Audio Mart (although he does have 3 other items currently for sale). He says he is the original owner and has told me (via e-mail) the provenance of the piece: where he bought it, where he got it modded etc. Plus pics show it is in mint condition as he says it is, both working and cosmetic condition. It is about $200 above my $900 budget and seems to be a little on the high end but I know those amps rarely show uop, especially in mint condition, so I am contemplating getting the amp. I was not familiar with U.S. Audio Mart as I have bought most of my equioment on here in the last 5 years and trust the people on here implicitely. I guess my question how much of a risk am I taking. From the comments, it seems like a pretty safe bet. Seller asked me how I was paying; I guess to see if he could come down since I mentioned in one of my e-mails about it being a little over my budget. Pay pal would be the only form of payment in which I would be protected in terms of loss/damage, etc. Is that correct? Thanks again!
  • motorstereomotorstereo Posts: 1,296
    Another good place to buy would be audiokarma's bartertown. It's well worth the $25 a year if you've been stricken with upgraditis and want to buy used gear.
  • msgmsg Posts: 4,986
    I've had great experiences so far on USAM, knock wood. I'd prefer to go USAM over Ebay, personally. Seems like on USAM you'll find more, well, regular audio enthusiast types, and not just flippers.

    Great list Tom! I forgot about that. I just went to go "insightful" it, and un-insightful'd it because I'd already insightful'd it back in 2017.

    Hifishark is another good site to use for saved searches that can help you turn up listings in different places. I thank tonyb for that one, it's served me well. Most of what it's referred me to has been USAM, Head-Fi, or Ebay. It even shows listings here on our Forum, which could be one of the ways we get guys surfing in. I know I've hit other forums like this, straight into a post, and I have no idea whether there are buying rules, so I think it's good we're starting to see the terms stipulated in advance in the listings here, so the new guys surfing in don't get slammed for asking to buy.
    I disabled signatures.
  • HermitismHermitism Posts: 2,537
    msg was that bad apple I was speaking of!
    2.0/3.0 - Marantz: PM8005 w/HT Bypass, NA8005 | Polk: LSiM703, LSiM706c | PS Audio: Duet, Power Port Classic, PerfectWave AC5 x3 PC | Wireworld Equinox 7 IC | AudioPrism Quietline MkIII x7 | Sanus UF30 | Acoustic Panels, GIK Soffit Traps

    6.1 - Pioneer Elite SC-05 | Pio BDP-51FD | Polk: RTi8, CSi5, F/Xi3, CSi3 | HSU Research VTF-2 MK4 | PS Audio: Quintet, Power Port Classic | DCF124BW x3 SC | Pangea: AC-9SE x2, 14SE, 14 PC | AQ Chocolate x2 HDMI | M850SW | Acoustic Panels, GIK Soffit Traps
  • Mikey081057Mikey081057 Posts: 6,586
    My New Year's resolution is 3840 × 2160

    HT:Polk LSiM 706 LSiM 705's VR3 LSiM 703's LSiM 702's| Marantz AV7704 | Sunfire TGA-7401 | Oppo UDP 203 | Sony PS4 Pro| Directv Genie HD DVR | Samsung 75" Q8 QLED | SVS PB13 Ultra | MIT EXP 2's (Fronts & Center)

    ManCave: Parasound Halo A21 | Parsound Halo A52+ | Marantz AV7002 AV PrePro | Usher Dancer Mini-x DMD's | Usher BE-616 Center | SVS Ultra Surrounds | SVS SB4000 Sub | SVS SB2000 Sub | Oppo UDP 203 | MIT Shotgun S3's | PSAudio Stellar GCD | Music Hall MMF 5.3se TT w/ Soundsmith Carmen | Mytek Brooklyn DAC+ | Lumin U1 Mini | HP Elite Slice PC | ROON'd for life | Samsung 50" SUHD TV | Sony PS4

    Patio | Polk Atrium 8's | Yamaha R-N303BL |

    Office |Cocktail Audio X14 | KEF LS50 | Peactree Nova 125SE |

    Bedroom | Focal 905's | Chromecast Audio |

    Garage | Polk Monitor 5B's

    Closet Yamaha M80 | 2 Polk MP3K subs| Yaqin MC100B with Shuguang Treasures KT 88's & CV181Z's | Tesla E83CC's | Marantz 2252B | Marantz 2385 | Bluesound Node |Polk SDA SRS 2.3 |
  • pglbookpglbook Posts: 1,690
    msg wrote: »
    I've had great experiences so far on USAM, knock wood. I'd prefer to go USAM over Ebay, personally. Seems like on USAM you'll find more, well, regular audio enthusiast types, and not just flippers.

    Great list Tom! I forgot about that. I just went to go "insightful" it, and un-insightful'd it because I'd already insightful'd it back in 2017.

    Hifishark is another good site to use for saved searches that can help you turn up listings in different places. I thank tonyb for that one, it's served me well. Most of what it's referred me to has been USAM, Head-Fi, or Ebay. It even shows listings here on our Forum, which could be one of the ways we get guys surfing in. I know I've hit other forums like this, straight into a post, and I have no idea whether there are buying rules, so I think it's good we're starting to see the terms stipulated in advance in the listings here, so the new guys surfing in don't get slammed for asking to buy.

    Thanks, msg. I am familiar with HiFi Shark and it was actually via searching HiFi Shark that I discovered U.S. Audio Mart. It is a good site that searches various sites for you.
  • pglbookpglbook Posts: 1,690
    Anything that's going to be peer to peer selling has some risks. Just like paypal. Audiogon and US Audio Mart are of equal quality in my mind. I do like that they flag who is a dealer on both of those sites. Also if you find a dealer you like (even outside of your area) many of them will have used sections on their sites, or links to their accounts on Audiogon/Audio Mart. You can message sellers on both sites, which I think is important as you get into higher dollar stuff.

    Below I linked a few other sites that I have not personally used, but I have talked to several people who speak highly of them.
    https://echohifi.com/
    https://tmraudio.com/ - this site seems to be where all of PS Audio's trade-in gear ends up.

    Thanks. What is the risk of paying via pay pal (by regular pay pal, not friends/family pay pal). My understanding is that I am protected against loss/damage, etc., if I pay by pay pal. Isn't that correct? I would think that pay pal would be the only comfortable way to pay because, no matter how nice and honest a Seller may sound via e-mail or phone, the bottom line is that Seller is still a stranger and thus caveat emptor.
  • halohalo Posts: 5,198
    Caveat emptor my friend. Anything can happen but, I do believe, USAM is a pretty good site. I bought and sold there and I cannot think of any issues. As long as you pay via PayPal, you should be protected.
  • HermitismHermitism Posts: 2,537
    Another cool thing about hifishark is the Sold/Expired tab. I think I learned this from Dan. After searching for something, click that tab and it will show past listings and past listing that were marked as sold. It also shows repeat listings and their duration. This is good for figuring out what something is worth or it's fair value. If something sold in two days, that price might be a bit low. If something was relisted three times at the same price and took 3 months to sell, that may have been a bit high.
    2.0/3.0 - Marantz: PM8005 w/HT Bypass, NA8005 | Polk: LSiM703, LSiM706c | PS Audio: Duet, Power Port Classic, PerfectWave AC5 x3 PC | Wireworld Equinox 7 IC | AudioPrism Quietline MkIII x7 | Sanus UF30 | Acoustic Panels, GIK Soffit Traps

    6.1 - Pioneer Elite SC-05 | Pio BDP-51FD | Polk: RTi8, CSi5, F/Xi3, CSi3 | HSU Research VTF-2 MK4 | PS Audio: Quintet, Power Port Classic | DCF124BW x3 SC | Pangea: AC-9SE x2, 14SE, 14 PC | AQ Chocolate x2 HDMI | M850SW | Acoustic Panels, GIK Soffit Traps
  • pglbookpglbook Posts: 1,690
    halo wrote: »
    Caveat emptor my friend. Anything can happen but, I do believe, USAM is a pretty good site. I bought and sold there and I cannot think of any issues. As long as you pay via PayPal, you should be protected.

    Thanks, halo. There's only one thing that has prevented me from having already made the deal: my budget (it's about $100-$150 more than I was looking to pay). But I know that's a silly excuse, ha. Although I think the amp may be $100 ovepriced (only 2 sales on eBay in last 6 months; last one sold on eBay for $100 less than US Audio Mart Seller's price I am looking at). But they do not come up for sale often and this one is in really minty (Seller listed it as a 10 and it looks like it) condition (which is important to me) so I know it will most likely happen. This rabbit hole never ends.

  • gudnoyezgudnoyez Posts: 7,000
    I have bought off Audiogon and US Audio Mart, with good results.
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  • indyhawgindyhawg Posts: 1,297
    I have bought on US Audio Mart, Bartertown, and Audiogon a few times with great results. Facebook has a few pages also for audio sales. I have bought a couple items there. Both times, were awesome sellers.
  • dragon1952dragon1952 Posts: 4,688
    Audiogon is great and US Audio Mart is also cool. Other sites I check frequently are here, of course, Audio Asylum, Audio Circle, Head Fi and Computer Audiophile...they're all good.
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  • verbverb Posts: 7,645
    halo wrote: »
    @verb has had exceptional results on Craigslist as well.

    Yes I have! :smile:
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  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 21,316
    The only time I ever had a deal blow up on me was on USAudiomart, and they did nothing to assist in solving the problem. Never again for me...
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