LSiM703's or 705's?

imsjryimsjry Posts: 77
2 channel only. Smallish living room (I sit about 10ft from speakers). Music only listening.

B&K3030 power amp/KA8004 Kenwood Preamp

Current RTi12 owner looking for a musical change. It seems like WAY more bang for your buck with the 703's, but I do not want to feel like I'm missing out on details. I don't care so much about thumping bass but obviously want good, full sound. If I go 705's, is that just overkill for my room especially comparing cost differences?

Thoughts on the differences in relation to my setup? Thanks!
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  • cfrizzcfrizz Posts: 13,187
    There is no such thing as overkill, get the 705 towers and enjoy!
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  • K_MK_M Posts: 1,197
    cfrizz wrote: »
    There is no such thing as overkill, get the 705 towers and enjoy!

    Cathy, great timing..!..
    I was going to suggest the 703, but with the idea of a possible sub in the plans or future!
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  • imsjryimsjry Posts: 77
    edited January 12
    cfrizz wrote: »
    There is no such thing as overkill, get the 705 towers and enjoy!

    Well my girlfriend might beg to differ! So overkill considering they are twice as much money? I haven’t found a review comparison that says the 705’s are twice as good I guess is a big part of why I’m questioning.
  • cfrizzcfrizz Posts: 13,187
    LOL, sorry about the GF. I have never been a fan of bookshelf speakers. Have you taken into account the fact that you will have to get stands for them as well.

    If money is truly a concern, while they might not be the LSiM speakers equivalent, how about considering the Signature S60 speakers. They are far more musical than the RTi series and can do both music and movies with ease without the earpiercing quality of the RTI tweeter. Plus they are more budget friendly and look great.
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  • imsjryimsjry Posts: 77
    So I should have mentioned the catalyst for this whole this was the current 50% deal of the LSiM line that was posted here somewhere! So I think it’s a great time to get one of the pairs.
  • dromundsdromunds Posts: 7,593
    I use the 703’s in a smallish room and after a long break-in period became quite enamored with them. Tremendous bang for buck at $600/pair on sale. I am amazed at the bass they put out but real nice all-around. You’ll need stands. Your gear would seem to be quite adequate.
  • rpf65rpf65 Posts: 1,934
    Get the 705’s.

    You won’t have to worry about finding stands that will be visually appealing as well as acoustically inert enough for the speakers.

    You already have floor standing speakers, so the room should accommodate them.

    Your girlfriend doesn’t seem to object to the big speaker cabinets in the room. Keep getting big speakers.

    In the middle of a movie, or sitting enjoying music the “I wonder complex” won’t rear its ugly head. Nothing worse than being interrupted, while enjoying a favorite song, by I wonder how much better this would have sounded on those other speakers. It’s almost like some voodoo curse.
  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 5,032
    I echo @dromunds statements. But remember that you will need good solid filled stands with those 703s for them to sound their best. That adds $150-200 minimum to the price. And then they take up the same floor space. I do like the look of nice bookies on nice stands, but they take up the same space and demand basically the same visual attention as floorstanders, so I would say get the 705s of you can afford it!
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  • jeremymarcinkojeremymarcinko Posts: 3,334
    705s and you don’t need to worry about getting a sub.
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  • pawelmwopawelmwo Posts: 51
    Agree just got the 705’s and they have plenty of bass. I love the design it’s pet proof. Due to the curves and grill setup they haven’t tried to jump on it or scratch it at all. Adorama should still have the pair for $999
  • imsjryimsjry Posts: 77
    pawelmwo wrote: »
    Agree just got the 705’s and they have plenty of bass. I love the design it’s pet proof. Due to the curves and grill setup they haven’t tried to jump on it or scratch it at all. Adorama should still have the pair for $999

    Where did you find the $999?? I found them there for $600/each. Thanks!
  • imsjryimsjry Posts: 77
    Great responses and points for either option so I’m still on the fence. A room picture attached for an idea. Is the consensus that I shouldn’t even consider the 703s if I have no intention of buying a sub?

    Thanks again all! 5lu7qarvt78i.jpeg
  • jeremymarcinkojeremymarcinko Posts: 3,334
    705s would look beautiful in that space.
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  • msgmsg Posts: 4,478
    Is the room to the left and behind you all open?

    703s put out a surprising amount of bass for their size, and that's not an exaggeration.

    Do the RTi12s have satisfactory bass response for you, or does it sound like they can or should be putting out more?

    The reason I'm asking is because if the room opens up a lot behind and to your left, you can have trouble pressurizing the space, and the speakers can sound thin. 705s won't fix this, and you'll need a sub.
    If the room is mostly enclosed, 705s should do well.

    In a larger open space, I've tried 705s and 703s with a sub, and I prefer the 703s with the sub, even over the 705s with or without the sub.

    In a smaller, more enclosed room, the 705s are fantastic, and as noted above, no sub required.
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  • spongersponger Posts: 321
    edited January 12
    I've spent about 500+ hours listening to the 705 in a LSiM 5.1 configuration. Those 4 cassini woofers produce a lot of bass. Without the Audyssey calibration eliminating the peakiness, as in when the avr is in direct mode, the resonant bass is pretty overwhelming. That's with the 705 1.5 ft away from the wall. Some say they need to be even further away from the wall. I forgot his name, but the forum user who recently traded his LSiM towers for Elac Adantes mentioned the LSiM needing to be quite a ways from the wall.

    It looks like you have a hard wood floor with no carpeting---not even a rug. I can see you possibly putting rugs in front of the towers just to calm down the bass. Personally, I don't think it's a failing of the towers themselves-- room characteristics being more the issue.

    So, to add to halo's comment, the 703 would provide you with more versatility. You asked if you'd miss any detail. The answer to that is simply no unless we're talking about bass detail. Even then, it would only be below 40hz I'd have to imagine. A jazz quartet double bass doesn't reach below that range, and that's about as deep as I'd need a musical speaker to get.

    If you absolutely refuse to get a sub, then I think you'd be safer with the signature series S60. They are of course going to be more musical than the RTi, and they sound amazing. Also, I think my neck would start cramping if I had to stare at a TV screen placed at that height.
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  • msgmsg Posts: 4,478
    If you're set against getting a sub, due diligence would be to at least have a look at the 707s, as well. The general consensus is that the 705s are better balanced, but there have been a couple of recent reports of 707s being better in some ways. That may hold true in your space if it's more open. But again, if you've got a bass suck-out, I'm not sure even 707s will do it.

    It's absolutely a big investment, yes, but it doesn't make sense to spend so much and stop short of what you need at the figures you're considering, especially with the deals on LSiMs these days.
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  • PSOVLSKPSOVLSK Posts: 3,834
    I LOVE the 703, but if I were in your situation, I'd get the 705 and never look back. You have the room for them and they are (IMO), the best speaker in the LSiM lineup.
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  • imsjryimsjry Posts: 77
    Thanks so much for all the input guys. The room cuts off with a stairwell about 15 ft back from the front of the speakers. I think I’m gonna bite the bullet and get the cherry 705’s. I’m excited!
  • vmaxervmaxer Posts: 4,341
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  • vmaxervmaxer Posts: 4,341
    edited January 13
    Says expired but when I click on it they still show $999 for a pair.


    https://slickdeals.net/share/iphone_app/t/12451354



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    Pio Elete Pro 520
    Panamax 5400-EX
    Sunfire TGP 5
    Micro Seiki DD-40 - Lyra-Dorian and Denon DL-160
    PS Audio GCPH phono pre
    Sunfire CG 200 X 5
    Sunfire CG Sig 405 X 5
    OPPO BDP-83 SE
    SDA SRS 1.2TL Sonicaps and Mills
    Ctr CS1000p
    Sur - FX1000 x 4
    SUB - SVS PB2-Plus

    Workkout room:
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    Onkyo TX-DS898
    GFA 555
    Yamaha DVD-S1800BL/SACD
    Ft - SDA 1C

    Not being used:
    RTi 38's -4
    RT55i's - 2
    RT25i's -2, using other 2 in shop
    LSI 15's
    CSi40
    PSW 404
  • jeremymarcinkojeremymarcinko Posts: 3,334
    Unbelievable deal!
    Oh, Listen here mister. We got no way of understandin' this world. But we got as much sense of this bird flyin in the sky. Now there is a lot that bird don't know, but it don't change the fact that the world is happening to him all the same. What I am tryin to say is, is that the course of your life, well its changing, and you don't even see it- Forest Bondurant
  • cfrizzcfrizz Posts: 13,187
    Make sure you post new pics when you have everything set up!
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  • imsjryimsjry Posts: 77
    Got them for $999.00!! Can’t wait to hook em up. Thanks for all the input folks.
  • dromundsdromunds Posts: 7,593
    That’s a no brainer price.
  • dromundsdromunds Posts: 7,593
    Don’t forget they may require substantial break-in period
  • imsjryimsjry Posts: 77
    Now what the heck to do with the RTi12s when sales like this are going on?!
  • txcoastal1txcoastal1 Posts: 10,209
    imsjry wrote: »
    Now what the heck to do with the RTi12s when sales like this are going on?!

    Help and friend or family member get a system started...congrats on new speakers
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  • K_MK_M Posts: 1,197
    txcoastal1 wrote: »
    imsjry wrote: »
    Now what the heck to do with the RTi12s when sales like this are going on?!

    Help and friend or family member get a system started...congrats on new speakers

    Haha, we have literally Given away maybe 12 pairs of speakers to friends and family over just the last several years.
    Usually just going to dinner or helping out with something is all the payment we ask for!

    About to get rid of maybe 5-6 more pairs fairly soon.
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  • jeremymarcinkojeremymarcinko Posts: 3,334
    Congrats!!
    Oh, Listen here mister. We got no way of understandin' this world. But we got as much sense of this bird flyin in the sky. Now there is a lot that bird don't know, but it don't change the fact that the world is happening to him all the same. What I am tryin to say is, is that the course of your life, well its changing, and you don't even see it- Forest Bondurant
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