new integrated amp

heiney9

Sure if pretty....glad you're enjoying it.

H9

marvda1

i've got the question out about the high damping factor negative feedback thing.

marvda1

here is the answer to your questions about the high damping factor and negative feedback.


The damping factor is a calculated value of the engineering design. The calculation may differ from one to another manufacturer.

The THD+N 0.006% was measured using A-Weighting method whereby the measurement naturally lowered (favorable to the readers?).

In Srajan review, the published AP report shows THD+N at 0.02321%. This is direct measurement without A-Weighting filter in the Audio Precision machine.
This tells us that there is no large local/global feedback. EX-M1 uses a relatively small feedback loop at stage one amplification. Kinki Studio chief Mr. Liu comment was, large local/global feedback loop is undesirable as the sound will be muffled or overly smoothen - this is definitely not Kinki Studio house sound.

My reply previously to a guy.

Many thanks.

Best regards,
Alvin

mhardy6647

That's an interesting answer.

I'll stop pickin' at this after one more comment.
It's hard to reconcile the very low THD levels and high DF (i.e., low output impedance) reported for these amps with the notion of very limited amounts of feedback... although low feedback is compatible with early comments on these amps of very high levels of gain.

marvda1

the new gain switch on the does come in handy, as when I first turned the amp on and played music the amp was set on high gain. at 12 the volume was as loud as I like to listen. putting it on low gain 40 was loud but still lower than the high gain setting of 12.

halo

marvda1 wrote: »

unboxing pics.

I can SEE why the DHL guy didn't want to bring the box into your house for you. With KINKI STUDIO in big letters on the side he probably thought you had some crazy $EX stuff in there!

F1nut

LMAO.....

marvda1

preview.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVFDMhWSIes

tonyb

Nice Marv, don't worry too much about the DF, or global feedback. If it sounds good to you, meshes well with it's playmates, that's all that matters. Congrats on the new toy.

That faceplate though, makes my eyes go buggy.

marvda1

i mentioned to them that you can't read the name from your chair and suggested to back light it or paint it with a metallic paint. how about red or gloss black.
you don't like playing with two ole knobs

steveinaz

Always liked integrateds, but only owned 1 way back in the early 80's; it was a Pioneer A-9, and sadly it actually went up in smoke one day.

motorhead43026

I really like intergrateds also. I have an Anthem that is great. This Kinki is interesting.

marvda1

i started out with kenwood integrateds.

i was listening to a jazz cut that started out with a sax solo and in between notes and breath breaks i could hear this sort of reverb harmonics lowly in the background. i was sitting there trying to figure out what it was, then a piano and drums joined in. it was the sax causing the strings of the piano to vibrate and create harmonic overtones to the tunes of the sax. this amp is pulling in some weird (nice) stuff.

mhardy6647

I long felt that the best bang for buck was to be found in integrated amplifiers -- especially when I was severely finance constrained.

FWIW, I started with one, too, of which I am still quite fond (although, I'm sure, not strictly objectively).

P1020541 by Mark Hardy, on Flickr

marvda1

some kinki fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gS3FfgHU8c

Tony M

That video was something good to watch for sure. I know being there would be the best way to judge.

The Kinki seemed like a great power amp pushing what was fed to it. It seemed to be a great match for his components and speakers for sure.

I loved how much better the sound, sounded when he used the clock in the CD player instead of the one in the DAC. I heard the sound IMPROVE!

But from his phone being the microphone source for us to listen by, I found the sound from that stupid cheap outlet block and generic power cords to be better sounding than the $11k ( total) power block and power cords. I'm saying, I did hear a difference but...

Also, that magnetic plug thing did affect the sound in a negative way for sure. So that sure tells me, power from the outlet itself , CAN change a stereo's sound. I was a skeptic but still believed all the people WITH EXPERIENCE that you do, or can get improvement of sound ( that comes out of speakers way down the chain ) from upgrading a power cable sometimes.

That was very cool to watch!

Thanks

Joey_V

That’s a lot of DF.

I don’t think even my Boulder has that much

Good to hear it sounds good, that’s all that matters anyway

DarqueKnight

maxward wrote: »

Not sure if I care for the faceplate either, but it probably doesn’t show fingerprints.

The remote control should negate the need for touching the controls. I avoid going near my gear...that's how cosmetic accidents happen.

Toolfan66

DarqueKnight wrote: »

maxward wrote: »

Not sure if I care for the faceplate either, but it probably doesn’t show fingerprints.

The remote control should negate the need for touching the controls. I avoid going near my gear...that's how cosmetic accidents happen.

How do you clean? Or better yet how often?

marvda1

light dusting and I use this company for covers.
https://www.digitaldeckcovers.com/

RobbyKY

Price seems to be climbing based on demand. Website shows it at $2,898 today and they claim a 3-4 week shipping delay. Looking for something interesting to give my son to upgrade his system. The Parasound A21 at $2,495 for his modded out 3.1's is at the top of my list right now. Replacing his Emotiva PT-100 with a Carver C-1 I just finished rebuilding from the ground up so not so sold in the integrated aspect.

marvda1

RobbyKY wrote: »

Price seems to be climbing based on demand. Website shows it at $2,898 today and they claim a 3-4 week shipping delay. Looking for something interesting to give my son to upgrade his system. The Parasound A21 at $2,495 for his modded out 3.1's is at the top of my list right now. Replacing his Emotiva PT-100 with a Carver C-1 I just finished rebuilding from the ground up so not so sold in the integrated aspect.

that 2898 is sgd not usd. it's $2122 us

RobbyKY

Ahh, missed that little detail. Thanks for pointing this out. Now it's looking a whole lot more attractive for sure.

BassFreak101

That Amp is absolutely beautiful, Congrats!

marvda1

http://hifiknights.com/reviews/aplifiers/kinki-studio-ex-m1/

SIHAB

Wobbly knobs right out of the box?
I figured time and gravity might do it but...

Quality parts part caught my attention...
Love the XLR inputs.

No phono, tuner, headphone jack or DAC....

S/N is just over the wire. I'll be interested to hear what you hear.

Maybe better to drop some of the inputs or move the IEC...
the money goes into the interconnects.

Muting? Clipping protection, overheating protection?

Warranty?

SIHAB

No Mono bridging...

Clean layout. Could it benefit from isolating the amps?

I don't like the looks of the binding posts. I'd be interested to know
how you like them.

12v trigger?

Sensitivity? How does it sound with various components?
Be cool to have a sensitivity switch seeing as how this is
a multiport amp. (at least for the XLR input)

marvda1

All this stuff you're asking for costs money. This amp is about sound. Find an amp with all the features you mention and let me know how much it costs.
I don't find my knobs wobbly, you don't use the knobs with the remote in hand.

SIHAB

It's not personal, it audio. Please forgive me if it was taken that way.
I'm just suggesting options the potential buyer might consider.
This amp reads like an amp for tough to drive speakers or floorstanders.
An integrated amp is usually considered when there is space
considerations. (or easy of use)

marvda1

I didn't take it that way, I was just trying to point out that for those like me who don't have a lot of coin, there is a way to get top sound.

I know there are a lot of features to be had and some require a lot of them but be prepared to pay, but for those that need basics and want high-end sound, the $2200 kinki fits the bill.