Club Polk Perception
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I was 14 as well. God those were good timesEndersShadow wrote: »
Yes dan you were still a stain your parents were still practicing to stir up soup.
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mrbigbluelight wrote: »nooshinjohn wrote: »You, and anyone else for that matter, are welcome to drop by and give my rig a listen.
Will complimentary snacks and beverages be provided ?
Bring your own you cheapskate.
One would hope you know proper etiquette........ like a sack full of beer or drinks geeesh
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FYI, the way we do snacks up here in the north country: hunt your own.
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Going on 28 years ago?
I grew up in Ocean Beach San Diego.
Left there in '79.
Been back multiple times & loved it, but had difficultly finding my way around in the modern day San Diego...
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I was living in La Jolla in 1978, just a skip and jump from you, and didn't even know it. I was 22 at the time you pup! -
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Going on 28 years ago?
I grew up in Ocean Beach San Diego.
Left there in '79.
Been back multiple times & loved it, but had difficultly finding my way around in the modern day San Diego...
I was living in La Jolla in 1978, just a skip and jump from you, and didn't even know it. I was 22 at the time you pup![/quote]
Talk about pups!
I was 33 at the time (1979) and enjoying my AR3a speakers, AR turntable and a Sony integrated amp.
It was my first "dive" into the "rabbit hole" of stereo.
Ah, I remember it well!
Well, honestly, not so well. I can't even remember the model of the Sony integrated. Family Room, Innuos Statement streamer (Roon Core) with Morrow Audio USB cable to McIntosh MC 2700 pre with DC2 Digital Audio Module; AQ Sky XLRs to CAT 600.2 dualmono amp, Morrow Elite Speaker Cables to NOLA Baby Grand Reference Gold 3 speakers. Power source for all components: Silver Circle Audio Pure Power One with dedicated 20 amp circuit to main panel.
Exercise Room, Innuos Streamer via Cat 6 cable connection to PS Audio PerfectWave MkII DAC w/Bridge II, AQ King Cobra RCAs to Perreaux PMF3150 amp (fully restored and upgraded by Jeffrey Jackson, Precision Audio Labs), Supra Rondo 4x2.5 Speaker Cables to SDA 1Cs (Vr3 Mods Xovers and other mods.), Dreadnaught with Supra Rondo 4x2.5 interconnect cables by Vr3 Mods. Power for each component from dedicated 20 amp circuit to main panel, except Innuos Statement powered from Silver Circle Audio Pure Power One. -
In 1979, I had been out of the Navy for a year. I had signed up for the "Luxury Tour Package" but you know what ? The recruiter lied ! A little light on the "Luxury", heavy on the "Tour".
Well, you kinda got a point there.Bring your own you cheapskate.
Oh, I see now. There's already going to be restrictions !. What are we in, Canada ?One would hope you know proper etiquette
That sounds reasonable......... like a sack full of beer or drinks geeesh
.... wait a second. Does this 'etiquette' thing require sharing ?
I dunno, this sounds like it might turn out like the " F1 $20 Tour Extravaganza":
10 minutes, no complimentary snacks or beverages, don't touch the equipment, and for gawd's sake don't even think about sitting on the couch (much less put your feet up on the coffee table) !
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pitdogg2 wrote:Golly gee
Your obscene language offends me.afterburnt wrote: »They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.
Village Idiot of Club Polk -
pitdogg2 wrote:Golly gee
Your obscene language offends me.
Don't blow an o-ring because your gif got booted
2-channel: Modwright KWI-200 Integrated, Dynaudio C1-II Signatures
Desktop rig: LSi7, Polk 110sub, Dayens Ampino amp, W4S DAC/pre, Sonos, JRiver
Gear on standby: Melody 101 tube pre, Unison Research Simply Italy Integrated
Gone to new homes: (Matt Polk's)Threshold Stasis SA12e monoblocks, Pass XA30.5 amp, Usher MD2 speakers, Dynaudio C4 platinum speakers, Modwright LS100 (voltz), Simaudio 780D DAC
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pitdogg2 wrote:Golly gee
Your obscene language offends me.
Nucking biss off you farging icehole....
Better
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[Deleted User] wrote: »I currently do not sell Class D amps. I have looked at a few options like Devialet and Mola Mola. I won't carry them until I hear them though.
I am not a fan of Class D full range, at least what I have heard. The two I mentioned get great reviews but are well above where most in this community would consider 'reasonably priced'. Ears I trust tell me there are a few exceptions to the rule so I am seeking out those potential exceptions.
Every class D I've heard thus far has had a very artificial sound to it. I told you I don't expect them to sound good with those amps and I stand by that. I know many are getting good results and perhaps the DSP is helping tremendously in that. I would be in the camp of getting the LS50 over the LS50 wireless for the built-in amps alone. I'm still not sold on the LS50 wireless being perfectly optimized with class D technology in it, but there are a multitude of other reasons why that approach was taken.
Truth be told, with solid state I've been very partial to A/B designs, even over the class A designs I've heard. The class A amps I have heard have all had pinpoint imaging with no true body. The class D I've heard have artificial midbass and felt unnaturally controlled if that makes sense. There was no smoothness to the transitions and that weirds me out. Every amp is different, but these are the rules more than the exceptions that I've come across so far in my journey.
So, you've heard them ? Class D with the KEFs is for the bass only. Mid and tweeter is class A/B. Everyone that I have talked to or reviews that I've read say the wireless is superior to the passive ones. It's not for hobbyist who wants to constantly fiddle and swap out ICs and components.
The A/B is used for the tweeter only. Class d powers the woofer which is where I have issues. That covers 90% of the sound and is not just limited to bass.
It is a lifestyle product and for that it is great. Ernie has had great success with his in a room he couldn't beat and in glad it worked out for him. There is a place in the market for that product but it isn't in line with my goals or approach.
Lifestyle? Don't be such a snob. You're too young for that. Try listening to them with an open mind and then judge.
Lifestyle does not denote low quality. I'm sorry if that has a negative connotation but in my mind it does not. The iFi Stereo 50 you got from me is also a lifestyle product. It is a stellar product but a lifestyle product nonetheless. The Wilson Duette is another lifestyle product designed for abnormal listening environments. That's a $20k product.
The Ls 50 is designed for a lifestyle purpose. It is made to fit in tough spaces and take up a minimal amount of space. What I said means nothing more, nothing less.
Wow, what was that all about?
Post edited by [Deleted User] onSo, are you willing to put forth a little effort or are you happy sitting in your skeptical poo pile?
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[Deleted User] wrote: »I currently do not sell Class D amps. I have looked at a few options like Devialet and Mola Mola. I won't carry them until I hear them though.
I am not a fan of Class D full range, at least what I have heard. The two I mentioned get great reviews but are well above where most in this community would consider 'reasonably priced'. Ears I trust tell me there are a few exceptions to the rule so I am seeking out those potential exceptions.
Every class D I've heard thus far has had a very artificial sound to it. I told you I don't expect them to sound good with those amps and I stand by that. I know many are getting good results and perhaps the DSP is helping tremendously in that. I would be in the camp of getting the LS50 over the LS50 wireless for the built-in amps alone. I'm still not sold on the LS50 wireless being perfectly optimized with class D technology in it, but there are a multitude of other reasons why that approach was taken.
Truth be told, with solid state I've been very partial to A/B designs, even over the class A designs I've heard. The class A amps I have heard have all had pinpoint imaging with no true body. The class D I've heard have artificial midbass and felt unnaturally controlled if that makes sense. There was no smoothness to the transitions and that weirds me out. Every amp is different, but these are the rules more than the exceptions that I've come across so far in my journey.
So, you've heard them ? Class D with the KEFs is for the bass only. Mid and tweeter is class A/B. Everyone that I have talked to or reviews that I've read say the wireless is superior to the passive ones. It's not for hobbyist who wants to constantly fiddle and swap out ICs and components.
The A/B is used for the tweeter only. Class d powers the woofer which is where I have issues. That covers 90% of the sound and is not just limited to bass.
It is a lifestyle product and for that it is great. Ernie has had great success with his in a room he couldn't beat and in glad it worked out for him. There is a place in the market for that product but it isn't in line with my goals or approach.
Lifestyle? Don't be such a snob. You're too young for that. Try listening to them with an open mind and then judge.
Lifestyle does not denote low quality. I'm sorry if that has a negative connotation but in my mind it does not. The iFi Stereo 50 you got from me is also a lifestyle product. It is a stellar product but a lifestyle product nonetheless. The Wilson Duette is another lifestyle product designed for abnormal listening environments. That's a $20k product.
The Ls 50 is designed for a lifestyle purpose. It is made to fit in tough spaces and take up a minimal amount of space. What I said means nothing more, nothing less.
Sure it does. All I'm saying is listen first , judge later. You mean the defective Stereo 50 you sold me with bad tubes and I had to send back to the factory on my dime ? Or the Dayens amp that crapped out after a day or the Parasound INT , that Parasound won't warranty because it was sold out of state against their rules ?
Wow, what was that all about?
Deleted user? Who was thar??Pio Elete Pro 520
Panamax 5400-EX
Sunfire TGP 5
Micro Seiki DD-40 - Lyra-Dorian and Denon DL-160
PS Audio GCPH phono pre
Sunfire CG 200 X 5
Sunfire CG Sig 405 X 5
OPPO BDP-83 SE
SDA SRS 1.2TL Sonicaps and Mills
Ctr CS1000p
Sur - FX1000 x 4
SUB - SVS PB2-Plus
Workkout room:
Sony Bravia XBR- 32-Inch 1080p
Onkyo TX-DS898
GFA 555
Yamaha DVD-S1800BL/SACD
Ft - SDA 1C
Not being used:
RTi 38's -4
RT55i's - 2
RT25i's -2, using other 2 in shop
LSI 15's
CSi40
PSW 404 -
Tforan is the deleted user.
Dunno if he/she was naughty, got a talkin' to and mouthed off the wrong way or it was a rage quit.Expert Moron Extraordinaire
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He was a bit of a constant contrarian. Glad he's gone, didn't contribute much anyway.
H9"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul! -
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Strange days,,,,Pio Elete Pro 520
Panamax 5400-EX
Sunfire TGP 5
Micro Seiki DD-40 - Lyra-Dorian and Denon DL-160
PS Audio GCPH phono pre
Sunfire CG 200 X 5
Sunfire CG Sig 405 X 5
OPPO BDP-83 SE
SDA SRS 1.2TL Sonicaps and Mills
Ctr CS1000p
Sur - FX1000 x 4
SUB - SVS PB2-Plus
Workkout room:
Sony Bravia XBR- 32-Inch 1080p
Onkyo TX-DS898
GFA 555
Yamaha DVD-S1800BL/SACD
Ft - SDA 1C
Not being used:
RTi 38's -4
RT55i's - 2
RT25i's -2, using other 2 in shop
LSI 15's
CSi40
PSW 404 -
We all go back and forth, heatedly sometimes. It's the intent and content of the post. One can vehemently disagree but not resort to being passive/aggressive just because one can. Once you stop making any kind of contribution, it's time to go, but that's up to the mods.
H9
P.s. Anyway, not here to pile on but that's my take on it.Post edited by [Deleted User] on"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul! -
He was a bit of a constant contrarian. Glad he's gone, didn't contribute much anyway.
H9
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We all go back and forth, heatedly sometimes. It's the intent and content of the post. One can vehemently disagree but not resort to being passive/aggressive just because one can. Once you stop making any kind of contribution, it's time to go, but that's up to the mods.
H9
P.s. Anyway, not here to pile on but that's my take on it.
I haven't made an audio related post on here in years! Still around, though...
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None of our gear works without the lightman bringing us the juice. You contribute plenty my friend.We all go back and forth, heatedly sometimes. It's the intent and content of the post. One can vehemently disagree but not resort to being passive/aggressive just because one can. Once you stop making any kind of contribution, it's time to go, but that's up to the mods.
H9
P.s. Anyway, not here to pile on but that's my take on it.
I haven't made an audio related post on here in years! Still around, though...
What gives?
No go climb a pole and make yourself useful...The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2800 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
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nooshinjohn wrote: »
None of our gear works without the lightman bringing us the juice. You contribute plenty my friend.We all go back and forth, heatedly sometimes. It's the intent and content of the post. One can vehemently disagree but not resort to being passive/aggressive just because one can. Once you stop making any kind of contribution, it's time to go, but that's up to the mods.
H9
P.s. Anyway, not here to pile on but that's my take on it.
I haven't made an audio related post on here in years! Still around, though...
What gives?
No go climb a pole and make yourself useful...
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So...who left?
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"....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
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EndersShadow wrote: »
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Was he the one saying us old dudes couldn't hear power cord improvements?Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
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Was he the one saying us old dudes couldn't hear power cord improvements?
I just listened to Rush: Power Windows, and I cant hear ****.
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Was he the one saying us old dudes couldn't hear power cord improvements?
Hope he comes back. No idea what he said previously. This is a nice place. I still remember being trigger and keyboard Kamikaze when I first joined.
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I KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I!
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2-channel: Modwright KWI-200 Integrated, Dynaudio C1-II Signatures
Desktop rig: LSi7, Polk 110sub, Dayens Ampino amp, W4S DAC/pre, Sonos, JRiver
Gear on standby: Melody 101 tube pre, Unison Research Simply Italy Integrated
Gone to new homes: (Matt Polk's)Threshold Stasis SA12e monoblocks, Pass XA30.5 amp, Usher MD2 speakers, Dynaudio C4 platinum speakers, Modwright LS100 (voltz), Simaudio 780D DAC
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John, when would one need 700 watts of tube power?
I'm not being argumentative there - I really would like to know where you think this application is needed.
That isn't to say its a bad design or Bob doesn't know what he is doing (obviously he does), but when I see that kind of number I think its more to do with sticker-shock as opposed to ingenuity in design.
Bob Carver is a firm believer in the concept that clean reproduction of some transient sounds requires huge reserves of instantaneous power. I agree. The more dynamics, particularly bass dynamics, you are trying to reproduce, the more power required.
The quote below is from page 5 of the 1982 Carver catalog:
"Once, Bob Carver visited a famous sound researcher who was attempting to recreate the "snip" of an ordinary pair of scissors. Between the microphone and the speakers he had installed TWENTY-FOUR 200-watt amplifiers. Yet when viewed on an oscilloscope it was apparent that the final tip of that instantaneous transient was being distorted. Believe it or not, he needed more power!"
The "famous sound researcher" was Dick Burwen. You can read about his home audio system, which uses 17 200-watt solid state QSC SRA 1222 studio amplifiers, here:
http://www.burwenaudio.com/Sound_System.html
and here:
http://www.burwenaudio.com/images/Audio_April_1995.pdf
From page 30 of the Audio April 1995 article:
"Why all that power? Because it takes most of the power available for any one horn to reproduce drums at live levels, leaving only 3 to 6 dB of headroom for the contributions of other orchestral instruments."
But...but...but...aren't tube watts louder than transistor watts and can't a lower powered tube amp produce the same sound level as a much higher powered transistor amp?
No. Watts are watts. The noise products of tubes are primarily even order harmonics, which are even multiples of the music frequencies. Therefore, when tubes are driven hard, such as in high volume and high transient demand situations, the noise present is mostly exact overtones of the music frequencies and the music sounds apparently louder due to the harmonic reinforcement. When you multiply a music note frequency by an even number, you get the exact same note, just at a higher octave. The effect is similar to adding tenor and soprano (higher octave) voices to a choir consisting of baritone voices. Even though the added voices may not sing loud enough to increase the actual sound level, since the added voices are singing the same words and notes, the result is fuller, richer, and apparently louder, sound.
The noise products of most transistors (except FETs) are odd order harmonics, which are odd multiples of the music frequencies and have no relationship to the music. Odd order harmonics are heard as discordant noise and the audible effect is to make the music sound apparently lower. This situation would be similar to some higher octave voices in a choir whispering a different song from the main baritone singers.
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^^^^Agree but only a hand full of speakers are capable of 500watts needing amps with that reserve headroom
But it was nice providing my Dyn C4's the power and headroom the Thresholds provided 2-channel: Modwright KWI-200 Integrated, Dynaudio C1-II Signatures
Desktop rig: LSi7, Polk 110sub, Dayens Ampino amp, W4S DAC/pre, Sonos, JRiver
Gear on standby: Melody 101 tube pre, Unison Research Simply Italy Integrated
Gone to new homes: (Matt Polk's)Threshold Stasis SA12e monoblocks, Pass XA30.5 amp, Usher MD2 speakers, Dynaudio C4 platinum speakers, Modwright LS100 (voltz), Simaudio 780D DAC
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