People Getting Banned???

tophatjohnny

It would have to be something really bad ya'd think, and I still can't get to the bottom of it as to why Jesse was said to be banned?? I really dig him and he's been pretty darn helpful to me since joining a while back. Ken S, has also been very helpful in my journey, so whatever this issue is I hope it gets resolved quickly. I also see this x-capri member as a negative force and he or she (not sure what it is) usually chimes in with a negative reply and talk about a Doubting Thomas?? My life doesn't revolve around this or any forum, but I'm sure glad I found this forum and made some good friends and one GREAT friend and whatever happens, I hope and wish Jesse all the best in all he does. Peace to all and with all the craziness in the world, can't we just listen to some great music and get along??

vmaxer

I hate what happened to Jesse as well. He has been a huge help to me. Ken is a great guy as well, but I don't see why X wasn't banned instead of Jesse.

I hope Jesse comes back.

[Deleted User]

Hello,
"F1nut" has not been banned, his posting privileges have been suspended for 30 days. This was decided by the management of Polk Audio after reviewing his recent poor behavior in a PM exchange and reckless equipment maintenance suggestion to a new member.
Ken

motorhead43026

Was that the sulfuric acid suggestion?

[Deleted User]

It was.

Erik Tracy

I'm out.

Instigators (and we know who they are) continue to poke and prod at long standing with a body of contribution to this forum that far outweigh comments and opinions from others that are not in the spirit of this hobby of audio or what this particular forum stands for.

And spilling PMs - poor taste.

I don't see some of the instigators as positive contributors, but rather representatives 'infiltrating' PF with an agenda.

Done.

heiney9

Are the powers that be, that blind that they can't see an obvious instigating new member?

Ken, what is being done about members who are obvious trolls, looking to instigate? Why are they allowed to run amok? I think it's a fair question that at least needs a response since it clearly is spelled out in the forum rules.

Toolfan66

Yeah, it's pretty easy to see where the problem lies but is being ignored..

And the sulfuric acid suggestion?? Really?? That's a little tongue and cheek is it not??

steveinaz

Sometimes I bite my tongue so hard, it bleeds; but I try to remember it is an audio forum. Being a freedom-loving Arizonan, where we say what we mean, and mean what we say--it's a challange. Hang in there fellas and remember you come here for the people, not the platform.

Toolfan66

I'm out from posting on the main site for awhile.. I will keep my posting in PM's..

I'm just glad the dealings I have with two members are done and shipped..

Peace!!!

pitdogg2

Toolfan66 wrote: »

Yeah, it's pretty easy to see where the problem lies but is being ignored..

And the sulfuric acid suggestion?? Really?? That's a little tongue and cheek is it not??

anybody in their right mind would see that it was......but there are few "right minds" it seems anymore.....

daddyjt

I have had my differences with F1, but honestly he and I see eye to eye on most subjects. I respect him for speaking his mind, even if I don't agree with him. This "x" guy on the other hand, is an outright troll. He actively tries (and succeeds) to divide the forum, and pit members against each other. Ignoring him is not sufficient, and as painful as it may be, he needs to be shown the door. Yes, it will create a stir, but your forum will be better off for it in the long run.

I came here because I acquired a vintage pair of SDA SRS speakers that I want to refurbish. That project is quite a ways off in the future. Given that this forum has made it clear that they only want discussions dedicated to audio, I will return for the information I need at that time.

It's unfortunate that one person is allowed - no, actually empowered - to limit the camaraderie of the forum members here.

cnh

Seriously! Wow! I haven't seen such pettiness since elementary school, children! People need to chill and not respond to every action by every troll on this site. If Jesse can be so censored, then WHO is safe here?

One could, for example, dive back into a history of thousands and thousands of posts LOOKING for that ONE that is offensive and there would be NO ONE left here! NO ONE! Is that the next step?

heiney9

I guess my serious question is not worthy of an answer since I've seen Ken lurking here several times since I posted.

I think as an invested participant in this forum we have a right to know, not really questioning the authority. It's a question about a forum rule as stated by the powers that be.

I think we deserve an explanation of how that rule has/will be enforced. It seems pertinent to the life of the forum.

H9

deronb1

Cant we all just put x on ignore and his posts wont show up?

lightman1

I'm putting everybody on my ignore list.
That way I can only offend myself and the whole forum will be mine!

I rule!

pitdogg2

all the trolls are lurking here right now formulating a new game plan I sure.......

mikeyb128

lightman1 wrote: »

I'm putting everybody on my ignore list.
That way I can only offend myself and the whole forum will be mine!

I rule!

Pure genius!

msg

What the @#$%*?!?

I usually stay out of a lot of the heated discussions, but I'm going to speak up on this.

Jesse's been one of several old core members here who's been instrumental in helping me get my systems built out to my satisfaction. I spent a lot of time in tremendous frustration early on before he started helping me. He's a d*&k sometimes, sure, but I still like him and value his experience and contribution, and if anything, it's helped keep me here, not drive me away.

I disagree with a lot of the stuff that members post up around here in the Clubhouse, but I still value this place for the tech talk, and I don't fault Polk for any of what I see here that doesn't agree with me. I just don't read it, and that's the end of it. And just because I don't agree with some of the posters, it doesn't mean I don't still like and respect those guys for what we share in common - the audio. And their taste in suggestive photos of schnoobs and stuff.

If it gets too crazy, sure, issue warnings and/or shut it down and delete it, I don't care about that, but really, suspended for 30 days? Ken, I know you're just the guy working the knobs and levers on stuff like this, so I don't hold you to account for anything, but feel free to pass along to those who do make the decisions one more vote of displeasure with this one. If it even counts for anything. I am a Polk customer after all. We'll be lucky if Jesse returns to contribute at all. I probably wouldn't if I were in his position. He's been one of the guys trying to keep this place alive.

Or, another suggestion - bring back a forum software that lets us control subforum visibility and access so members can have their off topic community back. Everyone started off with that, got comfortable, and then it was taken away. What was to be expected?

lightman1

DSkip wrote: »

I've missed you. Even though my memories of you are limited to your screen name, I can't help but think of how empty my life has been without you.

Every time I see your avatar, the perpetual look of genius/shock cracks me up.

Lovies to you too, Skipper

oldrocker

I have no dog in this fight.
I'm just a guy who has enjoyed getting back into audio and is especially thankful for all the opinions and directions from so many people in this place.
Maybe someday I might be able to actually offer some useful advise when it comes to those fantastic devices that create sound which I love so much.

afterburnt

cnh wrote: »

Seriously! Wow! I haven't seen such pettiness since elementary school, children!

cnh you need to check out the University of MO

steveinaz

I think they should provide us a "safe space" where we can "heal"....LOL

shawn474

All the banter back and forth is unnecessary and childish honestly. If you want to leave because of this action by ken, then leave and don't talk about it. If you want to express your opinion to ken, do it via PM. What most seem to not realize is that ignoring the troll would be much more effective. He is getting exactly what he wants by Jesse getting banned and by starting a firestorm on the forum. Making threads like this and threatening to leave over it allows him to get his rocks off and contributes to his behavior. If we all put xCapri on the ignore list and don't respond to his posts, I can guarantee that one of two things will happen:
1. He will go away because nobody feeds the troll.
2. He will become so disenchanted that his trivial and immature barbs go unanswered, becomes frustrated and leaves.

Either way, we get what we want. He is a problem but apparently the admin take the approach that he isn't breaking the rules. So let's change the approach and ignore the clown (I may get banned for calling him a clown so.if I do, nice knowing everyone.....)

deronb1

Seconded.

BlueFox

It would be nice if the individuals who recommended and approved the Vanilla software were permanently banned, or fired.

[Deleted User]

"Ken, what is being done about members who are obvious trolls, looking to instigate? Why are they allowed to run amok? I think it's a fair question that at least needs a response since it clearly is spelled out in the forum rules."

If anyone feels they have direct evidence that another CP member has engaged in activities that violate any of the forum's rules, you are welcome to detail them to me as a PM and include specific examples to back up this claim.
If they seem to have merit I will forward them to Polk management for their consideration.

shawn474

KennethSwauger wrote: »

"Ken, what is being done about members who are obvious trolls, looking to instigate? Why are they allowed to run amok? I think it's a fair question that at least needs a response since it clearly is spelled out in the forum rules."

If anyone feels they have direct evidence that another CP member has engaged in activities that violate any of the forum's rules, you are welcome to detail them to me as a PM and include specific examples to back up this claim.
If they seem to have merit I will forward them to Polk management for their consideration.

And this is all ken can do and all that we should expect of him. All of the "he should do this" and "management should do that" is as tiresome as the troll posting.....

heiney9

Thanks Ken.

I will say on other forums they don't tolerate a single amount of troll activity, here is much more lenient and seems to allow these types of incidents to fester until it goes too far.

We all need to do a better job of self moderating (ie; ignoring). Because many of those other forums are too sterile and robotic in the member interaction. I think for the most part we have a good balance between self moderating vs. being fully moderated.

There has been a shift in the way things have been handled compared to the past and I guess we all have to find the boundaries of that shift.

H9

nooshinjohn

The troll infestation here has been a problem for a while. Just look at a cable thread, where a good conversation is taking place and some knucklehead will chime in and tell a new person that lamp cord from RatShack is as good as MIT or some other brand.

Component and amp discussions tend to go the same way, with someone chiming in that a Crown Pro amp is equal to any other amp ever made or that will be made and only speakers determine the final sound of a system. When we engage them in discourse about their beliefs, we are called bullies. The troll then hides behind the skirt of a moderator and continues to belittle the experience of others with the DBT mantra, much to the ire of those with real world experience.

The brain-drain begins as the experienced members leave and go elsewhere, and the troll continues his agenda. until there are none left and the mods start banning those still left that oppose the troll.

Something is fundamentally wrong here.

shawn474

nooshinjohn wrote: »

The troll infestation here has been a problem for a while. Just look at a cable thread, where a good conversation is taking place and some knucklehead will chime in and tell a new person that lamp cord from RatShack is as good as MIT or some other brand.

Component and amp discussions tend to go the same way, with someone chiming in that a Crown Pro amp is equal to any other amp ever made or that will be made and only speakers determine the final sound of a system. When we engage them in discourse about their beliefs, we are called bullies. The troll then hides behind the skirt of a moderator and continues to belittle the experience of others with the DBT mantra, much to the ire of those with real world experience.

The brain-drain begins as the experienced members leave and go elsewhere, and the troll continues his agenda. until there are none left and the mods start banning those still left that oppose the troll.

Something is fundamentally wrong here.

The cable debate as an example is one where people could express their opinion and move on. Let the trolls post away that lamp cord is as good as MIT. Anyone with half a brain would discount their post. Why do we feel the need to answer every troll? My opinion is: just like it's easier for the troll to post behind a screen name and keyboard (something they wouldn't do in person in life), it's much easier to rebut and argue to validate YOUR opinions. Post your opinion and let the readers decide what they chose to believe. Don't engage opposing viewpoints because it leads to nothing but what has happened here. In fact one COULD argue (and maybe polk admin subscribes to this) that posting opinions is what this forum shold be about.........that responding in the way many of these "newbs" or "core members" engage in trolling activity by reacting, belittling, and generally being disrespectful to opposing viewpoints. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. My granddad always told not to hold others to a higher standard than I hold myself. If you respond to the bait by trolling a troll, admin has made it clear where they side. Adjust or leave. Much the same is sports, the retaliation often is where they penalize........just my .02. I like the forum and will continue to read, learn and contribute. And ignore the trolls