My Discussion got closed

mantis

Hello all,
Thanks for getting my discussion closed. I thought with the years of experience our forum had , the really cool members and deep understanding collectively, we could finally have a discussion without posting goofy pictures, pointing fingers , calling one another names etc.

Looks like I was proved wrong.

Conradicles

If you thought it would end any other way you were fooled.

ken brydson

Dude, you've been around long enough to know where a cable discussion will go...

mantis

Agreed, thats my last.

ken brydson

mantis wrote: »

Agreed, thats my last.

That's fine but don't start a thread like that and bail and let us fight off the trolls. Just sayin' man. I respect your experience and advise but you know how it rolls here...

pumpkinman

This is why I rarely get involved with threads that have the word "cable" in them.

Sorry brother

Bill

ken brydson

pumpkinman wrote: »

This is why I rarely get involved with threads that have the word "cable" in them.

Sorry brother

Bill

That's why I don't have 20K+ posts in 12 years as a member...

ken brydson

They shouldn't HAVE to be closed. Say your piece and move on. We're all adults, no need to hang out and argue. Especially ...NVM

tonyb

I sent a few of you a PM, so I'll put it out there.....I asked Ken to close the thread. Do I need to explain why ?

No meaningful discussion was going to happen, we all knew that. Lets keep it in perspective too, Ken has his limits as moderator and we certainly were pushing those limits. Rather than see some of you get your Polk membership ring thrown into a fiery volcano, it was best to ask it be closed.

Lets move on...

mantis

ken brydson wrote: »

mantis wrote: »

Agreed, thats my last.

That's fine but don't start a thread like that and bail and let us fight off the trolls. Just sayin' man. I respect your experience and advise but you know how it rolls here...

I didn't see any trolls on my thread, I saw a bunch of members trying to prove their points and when others didn't agree, it turned ugly and embarrassing.. We all don't have to agree man but sharing our experiences one way or the other shouldn't turn into a measuring contest. If that is your preference, it would be much more respectful face to face.
I think many on here need to grow up a bit and stop being internet tuff guys. I'd love to see one of these debates live. I bet much more respect would be given to others who don't share the same point of views.
It's like when many people get into their cars and drive with this rage cutting each other off and being pissed at everyone. But the same exact people don't but in line at the grocery stores when your face to face with the same people. It's funny to me.
The reason I didn't jump in those conversations is because I didn't have anything to say. I made my points when I felt it was right and shut my mouth when I felt that was the right thing to do.
Whats sad to me is on all sides of the fence on my topic, everyone has valid points, and I do mean everyone. I'll quickly make a few of my own right here and again do with it you want.
1) The question we all ask and never get a straight answer to so I'll professionally answer it for everyone, since I'm a professional and have been in the industry for many years, I'll share once again my experience professionally and personally.
Does wire make a difference? The correct answer is plain and simple YES it does. Ask any Engineer and he will tell you the truth as long as he isn't driven by a vested interest group.
2) To go just a tad deeper on that topic, there are standards that need to be met in order to pass along the signal correctly. This is where many deep debates could have taken place as many of these wire companies have different philosophies on how to achieve this goal. I wanted to talk about that but it went where it went and so I checked out on a lot of it. I also ignored the personal attack that was made on me by one of our older members. Again face to face I think these conversations would go differently and probably with way more respect of one another as we all love this hobby an I just so happen to also work in the industry.
3) Now once the goal is achieved , there is nothing more that can be done. Look man cables roll in our budget to extreme high end have one job to do and do it the best it can and thats to get the signal coming out to be as close to the original signal going in as possible. If 100% perfection can be achieved , well thats the damn goal period.
So again many cable companies have very different ways to achieve this but make no mistake, that is the goal from all highly respected companies, all of them are trying to achieve this very goal.

4) Now lets look at using cables for tuning ones system. This is not the goal of these devices but as most of them can not perform the job correctly and accurately , you will experience many differences between cables due to the fact cable A can pass a 25hz signal better then cable B and cable B can pass 850hz better then cable A and so on and so forth depending on what cable you are referring to at that moment.
So people myself included may prefer one of these cables that may not pass everything perfectly as it might help with some other issues in the signal path like for example a bright amp or speaker that doesn't perform the low end well but really shines on the higher HZ. This is when Cable X or Y makes sense to someone who decided to purchase it knowing that this cable is really good as that function and makes sense to them.
There is nothing wrong with that on any level other then the person who decides to use that cable. It could be Monster cable or Straight wire , I really don't care what brand your using but I wanted to understand why you selected the brand or brands you do. Right wrong or different doesn't matter , only if the one who is using said cables it matters to them. Use whatever the hell you want I could care less. I just like to understand why. There is no right or wrong answers man and thats what pisses me off on this forum.

5) Materials used , Geometry , etc all play factors in how a signal gets passed to it's end goal. Again these cable companies have very different ways to achieve this. Who is right and who is wrong? It's in your own beliefs to decide that. Not me I'm not here to sway you or anyone else on this forum that I have been apart of since the very beginning of it back in the 90's when Polk started it one way or another.
I am however here to share my experiences with all of you who would like to use it or if you decide not move along. Seriously folks move along there is nothing for you here if your always going to make rude comments like you do , gang up on members who over the years we have lost so many good ones due to the ignorance of some of these members. You know exactly who you are. I'd love to meet any of these members face to face any time anywhere to talk like adults not like playground children because the sad fact is most of them have plenty to share but maybe don't know how to share it. It's sad man.

gimpod

I hate to tell ya but your wasting your typing finger/fingers as this one will most likely go down hill just as fast and end up getting closed too.

Beside we all know that "somewhat straitened out rusty old paper clips soldered together with acid core solder then wrapped in duck tape" make the best speaker wire in the world.

Something else I've been wondering about, if amps output A.C. and speakers run on A.C. why can't we just plug them both into wall outlet's and do away with speaker wire altogether?

P.S. A CMA Statement "If your dumb enough to do what I just suggested and end up blowing everything up and burning your house/apt to the ground don't blame or sue me."

Erik Tracy

This topic will never ever ever ever ever ever be 'won' on the internet - it is a lose lose topic and no matter what forum you find this on - and they are ALL over the place the result is the same.... trenches dug and the verbal barrages ensue....carnage on both sides and threads closed.

F1nut

I'll take it a step further than Tony, delete this thread.

B Run

Erik Tracy wrote: »

This topic will never ever ever ever ever ever be 'won' on the internet - it is a lose lose topic and no matter what forum you find this on - and they are ALL over the place the result is the same.... trenches dug and the verbal barrages ensue....carnage on both sides and threads closed.

Totally agree, but I feel like most other forums are even more close minded and bash people who spend money on anything other than Monoprice. My favorite was the Reddit thread arguing that all amplifiers sound exactly the same as long as they have the same wattage. I left, I didn't go back.

F1nut

We're going to have a cooking discussion in the Clubhouse on how best to cook small, rodent like creatures found under bridges. The main focus will be on the cooking oil myth verses fat back, which has been shown in scientific tests to be.....well, fat. We'll also discuss pan gauge and how it relates to the distance from the fire. We're trying to get Woger Wussell as a guest speaker. Regardless, it should be fun.

Now, if you're going to make pointed comments based on real world cooking experience and put the members causing all the trouble due to their lack of kitchen knowledge and experience in their place, then please join in. You know and they know exactly who they are.

BlueFox

Let's roast the rodents. I'm hungry.

headrott

Jesse,

A thicker guaged pan and olive (and peanut) oil(s) are a no-no to roast the small rodent-like creatures. As you know olive (and peanut) oil(s) have a very low heat index and combined with thick pan, will absolutely cook the small rodent-like creatures much too quickly (searing only the outside of the creatures while leaving the inside raw). As we know, these small rodent-like creatures are very dense and their "meat" is very tough; to the point that searing the outside is OK, but really slow- roasting is the only proper way to prepare these creatures to ensure proper texture.

Finally, the distance from the fire also needs heavy consideration as again cooking the rodent-like creatures too quickly only leaves them tough and underdone.

In conclusion, a low(er) heat indexed oil (such as canola, almond, avacado, grapeseed, and sunflower/safflower) will more properly and thoroughly cook the creatures in question. My suggestion would be avacado oil as this oil has a pretty neutral flavor, relatively low heat index (can be used at all flame levels), and relatively high fat index (and as you stated, they are well, fat(s)).

***Oh, damn! I just realised I posted this in the wrong thread! Please let me know when the Clubhouse thread opens up and I will re-post this! Peace out!***

D'prived

What's a cable?

tonyb

B Run wrote: »

[Totally agree, but I feel like most other forums are even more close minded and bash people who spend money on anything other than Monoprice. My favorite was the Reddit thread arguing that all amplifiers sound exactly the same as long as they have the same wattage. I left, I didn't go back.

Amen brother, I get bashed all the time on the Sonos forum, even from the mods. All amps sound the same, cables don't matter, yada yada, they live and die by science and measurements. Shame really, there's soo much more to audio that they are missing out on.

BlueFox

Sometimes I wonder how so-called intelligent/educated people can be so stupid. I have noticed that these types think they know everything. I guess having an open, inquiring mind is independent of education and/or IQ.

vmaxer

They are called educated fools.

BlueFox

That certainly is an apt description for our two current know-it-all trolls.

warren

You mean this is the end?

F1nut

It ain't over until the fat lady sings.

nooshinjohn

I like to cook in bacon grease Jesse... And cast iron is key to cooking a succulent rat.

BlueFox

How does that saying go? Pot calling the kettle black. I never understood the literal meaning, just that it means when used against someone that they are a hypocrite. You have to love the Internet.

F1nut

Kevin, I mean this as sincerely as I possibly can. I hope you seek professional help as it's obvious and not only to me, that you've got issues far beyond anything related to audio. Good luck.

halo71

Where can I buy black paint?

tonyb

kevintomb wrote: »

[ If our posts irk them so, why can they simply not ignore us?

Wouldn't that go both ways ? If cable threads irk you and a few others, why not ignore them and stop posting in them ?

You can't help yourself though, still trying to fill the pews of your church of audio but you have yet to realize your recruiting in the wrong place.

polrbehr

Speaking for myself, there have been plenty of occasions where something I tried in my setups (be it a speaker cable, IC, power cable, HDMI, etc) made little or no change in audio/video quality that I could perceive. Obviously not every change will make a positive impact on every system. It probably happens to a lot of people, really, just read some of the many reviews here.

So why the need to see people admit that they "fell prey" to something?

tonyb

Because he needs to add validity to his position even though he has none himself. By the same token, we can ask why he can't admit cables can make differences in sound.

He can't do that however because of lack of experience. Which is very unscientific from someone based in science.