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Hmmm, well I do believe some of these guys have already challenged you to blind tests, Kevin.
You've been challenged here with several questions also. All of which, you and x have danced around and deflected from. Go figure?
Okay first off, we are discussing, there is no "Challenge"
I will not answer anything more.
I simply do not care to have every answer torn apart, criticized and made fun of.
The general atmosphere of these last few threads, are not to understand other views, or electronics or talk, but simply to belittle anyone that agrees with anything Xcapri79 says.
I guess that is what happened with me.
I get it. Its a clique of a few guys, that bash anyone that seems like Xcapri, or agrees with him.
Oh yeah, I forgot. You're the victims after you throw out the bait, insult our intelligence with your passive aggression and arrogance, dance around the challenges and provide no substance to back your rhetoric. No demonstration of any experience whatsoever, then you cry foul because we don't subscribe to your theories. Sorry pal, just kinda hard to take you two seriously on any level. Thanks for playing! You may go now.
These two are just trolling in the classic mode. They state only they are correct, and everyone else is delusional or weak minded. The 'Crypt Master' has stated more than once "I will not answer anything more.", yet expects everyone else to accept his views, and wonders why he is ignored.
On the other hand, X is just hilarious with his limited grasp of basic electronics. It amazes me how many people think knowing Ohm's Law makes them an electrical guru.
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"On the other hand, X is just hilarious with his limited grasp of basic electronics. It amazes me how many people think knowing Ohm's Law makes them an electrical guru"
I sell high voltage electrical distribution equipment for a living. This includes the actual substation and everything in between, ending at the revenue meter on the back of your dwelling. I have been doing it for 30 years, and I still don't understand all there is to know about electricity.The best way to predict the future is to invent it.
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In an article, many years ago, William Golding (author, Lord of the Flies), wrote about THREE types of THINKERS.
The first was the average person who almost NEVER questions anything but lives the unreflective life.
The second, is pretty much the precocious teenager who has an aha moment where he/she realizes that one can NEGATE anything anyone says, or the just say NO approach that drives parents crazy because, in the end, everyone is EQUAL in their subjectivity-we can always say NO to any other who tries to impose their will upon us. But, although this is important it does not lead to anything new or further one's knowledge and becomes a fruitless game that wears thin and is ultimately vacuous. Many NEVER proceed past this level of thinking because it is comfortable, safe, and there is nothing to defend or argue, just disagree and negate.
The third, is the innovator/creator/visionary, who though he/she realizes that anything he/she says or proposes can be attacked still RISKS saying something, defending it and entering the field of public/scientific debate and discourse even though there is a chance he/she might be wrong. This is the mature thinker who wishes to add to the sum total of human knowledge and wisdom, take us some place further down the road. He/she is NOT afraid of being disproved. Golding illustrates such a thinker with an encounter that he had, while a student at Princeton, with Albert Einstein.
The question I pose, is "what kind of Thinker are you?" Are you willing to be proven wrong or is that not possible? In other words are you simply a naysayer (#2) above.
So go cable debates, yeah and nay forever. But there is one above who has asked, "are you willing to put your beliefs to the TEST, and if so, what testing protocols, cables, methods would you agree to use". Unfortunately, rather than answer that we continue to say but, "that's just YOUR opinion"? You're wrong! (the naysayer?) We do not progress past level #2. In my field, currently, there are a LOT of people forging luminary careers because they are afraid of taking a stand on anything and in the process, their works will gradually disappear and mean nothing to future generations. It's a sad time in the field, but not everyone is so inclined! There are always a few "honest" thinkers about!Currently orbiting Bowie's Blackstar.!
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I would suggest that while dielectric absorption may be considered for long cables operating at RF, it isn't an issue for a 3 ft power cable or audio interconnect, or a 8ft speaker wire. This is where DK's and or the cable manufacturer's theories have a grain of truth, but get misapplied to power and audio cables to justify the ridiculously priced cables that he tested.
Well, we've made some progress. I see that dielectric absorption has moved from being a flat out lie to having a "grain of truth".
I agree that some high performance audio cables are overpriced. The retail price is just a suggestion. Maybe you are someone who does not know how to shop wisely and negotiate prices. It is just a starting point for negotiation between buyer and seller. I have never paid anywhere near the full retail price for any of my high performance audio cables.
It is a personal value judgment as to whether something is worth the price.Anecdotal subjective listening doesn't really constitute a test as it does a personal opinion that is more than likely influenced by expectation bias and the placebo effect.
Stop farting and pissing in the wind. Since you like educating us so much, why don't you tell us how you tested cables and how that testing methodology is scientifically valid.
Again, please tell us about the following pertaining to the audio cable tests you have done:
1. Cable(s) evaluated.
2. Associated audio equipment.
3. Test equipment.
4. Test methodology.
5. Audio performance metrics.
Cowards throw rocks and hide their hands. You dismiss high performance audio cables based on "science" and based on your claim that you didn't hear a difference between a high performance cable and an ordinary modestly priced cable. Yet, when you are asked to describe your cable testing methodology, you duck, deflect, run, and hide. A true man of science and a truly honest person would have no problem discussing the method he used to come to his conclusions.
This is a stereophonic audio forum. You do not appear to be someone who understands stereophonic performance and you do not appear to be someone who is interested in offering information that will help the membership enhance their stereophonic listening experience. Rather than being a "skeptic" who bases disbelief on reasonable doubt, I think you a "contrarian" who just likes to argue, and high performance audio cables are a convenient target.
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And that ball is going back... WAY BACK.... and GONE!
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I will not answer anything more.
I simply do not care to have every answer torn apart, criticized and made fun of.
I see, inspector. You get to ask questions, but others do not have the right to question you. Got it.The general atmosphere of these last few threads, are not to understand other views, or electronics or talk, but simply to belittle anyone that agrees with anything Xcapri79 says.
I get it. Its a clique of a few guys, that bash anyone that seems like Xcapri, or agrees with him.
I guess that is what happened with me.
What happened with you is that you came in with guns blazing talking about how you used to "sale" audio cables and implying that such "sales" experience should validate your views. You also spoke of how you and your friends demonstrated that the differences heard in sighted testing vanished under blind testing.
When you were asked to discuss the particulars of the tests you mentioned, you deflected, ducked, tucked tail and ran for cover and then cried that you were being ganged up on and victimized by a "clique".
If you care to look, the members of the "clique" respectfully disagree with each other quite often. For example, a member recently questioned my disinterest in a very popular tubed component. I explained the basis of my disinterest and the listening experience that lead to that disinterest.I would not say the truth is the truth though, as there is no agreement or actual hard evidence to show that directionality exists.
There are ways to verify things such as this. Nulling two cables one hooked up in correct direction, the other hooked up backwards.
The difference signal......would represent any change.
Or, you could apply the same signal to each end and analyze the output at the other end. That's what I do.I can see, it really is not possible to have a discussion.
If all you guys were as intent on tearing each other's silly posts apart, as you are with Mine and Xcapri79's you would come to a quick conclusion.
Awwwwwww poor baby. Them mean ol' audiophiles won't take your word for anything? They being mean and evil and asking you to scientifically justify your "scientific" claims? The nerve!
You guys remind me of bullies who pick on some kid they think they can push around, then, when the picked on kid turns the tables and demonstrates that he can aggressively defend himself against attack, the bully starts crying, whining, and running away.Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country! -
DarqueKnight wrote: »You guys remind me of bullies who pick on some kid they think they can push around, then, when the picked on kid turns the tables and demonstrates that he can aggressively defend himself against attack, the bully starts crying, whining, and running away.
OUCH! That's gotta hurt.The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson -
DK makes a valid point in that even the best of friends/members often disagree with each other. The difference is we respect each others opinions because they are opinions based in real world experiences, not theories and internet articles. Lots of things look good on paper, until you apply them to real world usage. Audio isn't as cut and dry as some want it to be.
If there's one constant on this forum among the so called "clique" members, it's the constant repeating of trying stuff for yourself. Every scientist knows that a theory only goes so far, you have to eventually try it out in real world applications.HT SYSTEM-
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Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
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Cables-
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Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
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Just trying to stay current but did I miss something?I was here years ago under another name, when it was the older forum, .....
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Yes, you missed he was here...left....then came back to educate us all on audio fairytales. About sums it up doesn't it ?HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
lsi 9's -
From my extensive philosophical education* :I am talking of the thread crapping, personal insults, calling people trolls, questioning their education.
Not who likes chocolate and who likes vanilla.
When the few question the existence of the many, the many will sometimes get defensive. But in this case, the defense is not the many simply saying the few are wrong, but rather asking for background information, explanation, and criteria used to establish their opinions.
And trust me, NO one here likes Vanilla...So, are you willing to put forth a little effort or are you happy sitting in your skeptical poo pile?
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What was his username?
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I am talking of the thread crapping, personal insults, calling people trolls, questioning their education.
Thread crapping comes in many forms. For example, you implying that people should accept your views on cables simply because you used to sell them is thread crapping. The fact that you used to sell something is irrelevant to the discussion. Lots of people sell things that they have no real understanding of.
Implying that others must be imagining things because you did a test and had negative results is thread crapping. It is double thread crapping when you are asked to provide details about the test and you refuse on the flimsy grounds that you don't want to be made fun of.Face it, and I think even you, can not argue this. This forum is basically a mess, with a dozen thread crappers trying to run the place, as the moderation is very very overworked, and only closes threads for the most part.
If this forum is such a mess, why are you here?
There are a lot of talented people on this forum who are contributing to the collective's enjoyment of stereo. A lot of the members share their experiences with various types of gear. There are other members who are actively involved in modification work.They found out they can get away with doing or saying mostly anything.
Any other forum, about 6-8 guys would be reprimanded.
Are you saying you approve of the silly antics going on in every thread>?
Most of the threads on this forum do not have thread crapping and silly antics.
You can't see past your own nose and your bitter disappointment that people here critically challenged you views.
The "silly antics" you speak of are a reaction to your trolling. Liars can't stand being lied to, bullies can't stand being beaten up by their intended targets, and trolls can't stand being trolled.
To answer your question, yes, I find Keiko's sarcastic responses highly entertaining. Our senses of humor are very similar, we just express it in different ways. I also note that he only responds this way to trolls. If you were really interested in respectful discourse, you would answer the questions put to you rather than you thinking you have the exclusive right to interrogate others.I am talking of the thread crapping, personal insults, calling people trolls, questioning their education.
When you questioned whether I had ever worked in the real world, I answered your question completely and respectfully. You did not grant me the same courtesy.
The truth stands on its own. The truth is not diminished by insults, name calling, and questions about credentials.Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country! -
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“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson -
I missed 2 weeks on this site and here we are again. WOW....2 Channel Rosso Fiorentino Volterra II, 2 REL Carbon Limited, Norma Revo IPA-140B, Lumin U2 Mini, VPI Prime w/SoundSmith Zephyr MIMC, Modwright PH 150, Denon DP-59l w/Denon DL-301MKII, WAY Silver 3 Ana+ Speaker Cables, WAY Silver 4+ Interconnect Cables, AudioQuest Niagara 7000 w/Dragon and Hurricane Power Cables
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I am a conceded a** who was called out on my bullsh*t and soundly thrashed for having quite literally nothing to back it up with. So my defense is I am going to continue to play the victim card and throw out every single excuse I found on the internet why I will never win this argument instead of actually being a man (I am truly a eunuch) and actually backing it up with real world experiences or simply acknowledging that I have been wrong.
"Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."
"Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip -
The difference between DK and the two trolls is DK will state, and usually graphs, 'I heard this with <fill in the blank>.' On the other hand, the two trolls state that what DK, and others, hear is impossible. So, DK and others are either imagining it, or are so weak minded that by looking at something their weak mind changes the sound into something different.
It is this absolute, dogmatic, arrogant, self-righteous stance that rubs people the wrong way.Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
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Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
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I get it. You imply everyone is a troll, unless they mostly agree with your beliefs.....OR they are guys you are friends with.
I get it. You came here with the express purpose of educating the natives and instead, you got taught a lesson.
Lots of people here think that tubed equipment is the height of audio nirvana. I don't agree. However, I understand why the feel the way they do and they understand why I feel the way I do. We just have different tastes in sound.
If I were only interested in beliefs that agree with mine, I would not have repeatedly asked you for details of how you evaluated audio cables. I definitely would have never learned as much about audio if I never considered opinions and practices different from mine.
Others here have asked you questions and you took the b u t t hurt route and refused to engage because you "didn't want to get torn apart". That shows how much confidence you have in your beliefs.
You asked me if I had ever worked in the "real world". Your narrow mindset makes me wonder if you live in the real world since you cannot tolerate others questioning you.
Stop projecting your insecurities onto me and others.That is why I am not answering anything.
So you can't express yourself because you are scared of what total strangers will write? OK.
You didn't seem to have a problem expressing yourself before you were asked to scientifically validate your views.
It is amusing how you will write pages explaining why you won't answer questions put to you, when the answers would have only required a few sentences.
If you are not scared to write these long "oh woe is me 'cause nobody loves me" rants, you shouldn't be scared to write explanations supporting your views.No one questions anything you say, cause they know no better. I think you know that and tend to run with it.
Maybe I just express myself in such a way that people can understand me the first time. Why don't you try it?Have a great day.
Have a good cry.
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I missed 2 weeks on this site and here we are again. WOW....
Some people are mad because I won't sell my expensive, esoteric audio cables and buy something sensible...like a sports car.
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How many times can ONE person leave the same thread, I wonder?
Also, if the above logic were true we'd all agree about such things as economics. Have you ever read a Polk thread about the various economic opinions here? And yet, ECONOMICS claims/thinks it's a SCIENCE.
Not close enough. How about Global Warming? Can we agree or disagree about that? Why all the debate when, supposedly, the majority of scientists are not debating this issue and yet the debate RAGES!
And I could go on and on. It's hard to think of even one thing some "contrarian" won't disagree with. Heck, there is STILL even a FLAT EARTH SOCIETY. lol
Humans, can't live with them can't COMPLETELY CONVINCE THEM! And scientific theories often compete with each other, some of which are PURE fantasies that will NEVER be confirmed empirically but are beautiful, wondrous displays of creative equations and imaginings! What happened to all the mystery and the unknown? Especially when it comes to electricity (the flow of electrons-that are really...?) which I gather is not a completely 100 percent fathomed and explained phenomenon even today.Currently orbiting Bowie's Blackstar.!
Polk Lsi-7s, Def Tech 8" sub, HK 3490, HK HD 990 (CDP/DAC), AKG Q701s
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I guess DK maybe it comes down to this.......
Using you and say the 10-12 guys who all agree with you about cables, as an example.
If things are so clear cut and as you and your friend say.........
Then why are cable debates even occurring?
I mean think about that a few seconds.
Do you truly believe Me and a handful of other guys are simply pretending to hate cables or something, or that maybe just maybe a whole entire section of audiophiles simply put stock in other things, and feel differently?
The sheer hostile nature of those that are more "Pro-expensive Cables" baffles me. If they like them fine. If someone else says they are a myth or non issue, why should they care, if they truly believe they are right?
I am not scared at all to go into detail, but simply realize it is pointless.
There is a basic anger at some level that has nothing to do with logic, value, or anything sensible.
I do not have this anger. I feel more of a feeling of amazement, that some are so extreme in their views that they get upset over a wire.
I will leave the thread on this note, that should end ALL and ANY bickering.
If more comments against me persist, we then know it has nothing to do with me.
talk about straw man.Polk Lsi9
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Keiko...ermmmmm mine's not that powerful....lol I have 280 alone going to 4 Focal ISC 570 5x7 coaxials though and a nice round 200 going to a 10 inch sealed sub, sounds nicely balanced
I think you'd get much better performance if you wired your speakers with barbed wires. It would definitely sharpen the stereo image. For the sub, I'd go with coat hangers all day. It's all about synergy.
Sadly I'm a cable consumer...AQ Evergreen interconnects from deck to amps, Scosche EFX 14 gauge speaker wiring direct from the one amp to the four coaxials, chosen for durable insulation and fine stranding for flexibility. The sub get's 12 gauge for obvious reasons. Power is Scosche EFX 4 to a distribution block then 2 8 gauge to the 4 channel amp, single 8 to the sub amp. Ground is appropriate EFX ground cabling, with an additional piece direct from the battery to the cab of the truck for improved grounding over the factory wiring.
You do realize that there is a 12 step program for that? I believe they call it Scientology.I wonder what cables those guys use to AUDIT:
Most auditing requires an E-meter, a device that measures minute changes in electrical resistance through the body when a person holds electrodes (metal "cans"), and a small current is passed through them.[104][142] (WIKI)
I couldn't resist. Come on, we need more HUMOR in this thread. A lot of hack scientists lack that, but some of the THEORY guys are hilarious!
For those who do NOT understand SATIRE the above is NOT in support of our resident Cable naysayers (I don't know how many times I've been taken literally here). It is meant in jest!
Currently orbiting Bowie's Blackstar.!
Polk Lsi-7s, Def Tech 8" sub, HK 3490, HK HD 990 (CDP/DAC), AKG Q701s
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I guess DK maybe it comes down to this.......
I claim you use straw man arguments and then proceed to produce an entire post of nothing but straw man arguments. Therefore, I am much like the scarecrow in that if I only had a brain.
"Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."
"Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip -
I am talking of the thread crapping, personal insults, calling people trolls, questioning their education.
Not who likes chocolate and who likes vanilla.
Face it, and I think even you, can not argue this. This forum is basically a mess, with a dozen thread crappers trying to run the place, as the moderation is very very overworked, and only closes threads for the most part.
They found out they can get away with doing or saying mostly anything.
Any other forum, about 6-8 guys would be reprimanded.
Are you saying you approve of the silly antics going on in every thread>?
You still don't get that YOU and X are the trolls, That YOU and X are the ones messing up the forum. That on other forums, YOU and X would be banned for trolling. In fact, YOU were banned from another forum and the ice you're standing on here is getting really thin.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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By chance was he banned from this forum under his previous user name?
You still don't get that YOU and X are the trolls, That YOU and X are the ones messing up the forum. That on other forums, YOU and X would be banned for trolling. In fact, YOU were banned from another forum and the ice you're standing on here is getting really thin. -
By chance was he banned from this forum under his previous user name?
Seems likely.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
Jinkuku is my guess
Puzzling that we have not heard that beringer and crown amps are the equal of DK's Pass Labs yet... The one thing they seem to have in common is an insane level of jealousy for anything that DK enjoys.The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson -
I guess DK maybe it comes down to this.......
Using you and say the 10-12 guys who all agree with you about cables, as an example.
Blah...Blah...Blah
All you and your friends seem to want to talk about is my personality and the personalities of other forum members.
You have been asked by me and others to steer the conversation toward topics related to the enjoyment of stereo, yet you refuse.
Therefore, it really comes down to this:
Strong minds mostly like to talk positively about concepts and ideas.
Weak minds mostly like to talk negatively about people.
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I can see, it really is not possible to have a discussion.
If all you guys were as intent on tearing each other's silly posts apart, as you are with Mine and Xcapri79's you would come to a quick conclusion.
No, it is hard to have a meaningful discussion when participants refuse to answer questions that are asked. Why not participate in the discussion by answering all of the questions brought up in this thread, and the others that were closed. We (all) have asked you @kevintomb and @xcapri79 numerous questions with absolutely no response. Why? (I know this is another question, but I will let this one go, if you answer all the questions asked of you). If you need a list of what was asked of you both, I wil be glad to supply you with one. With your scientific backgrounds, I am sure you can look up and/or recall what was asked of you, however.
Looking forward to your responses, and discontinued misdirection and/or thread closures allowing yourselves to not answer the questions. If you want a meaningful discussion, here is your chance.
Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
"I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion."![:\](https://forum.polkaudio.com/resources/emoji/confused.png ":\")
My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....
"Green leaves reveal the heart spoken Khatru"- Jon Anderson
"Have A Little Faith! And Everything You'll Face, Will Jump From Out Right On Into Place! Yeah! Take A Little Time! And Everything You'll Find, Will Move From Gloom Right On Into Shine!"- Arthur Lee -
A meaningful discussion ?? Seriously ? That usually means one wants to ask questions, learn something, or comment on their own experiences. You want to do none of that so how can YOU have a meaningful discussion ? Which then begs to question why you even belong to any audio forums ?
We've given every opportunity for you to do so, have a respectable conversation, but the arrogance you portray in your quest to "educate us" is astounding, even by internet standards.
If you don't carry any of the requirements for a good civil audio discussion, whats there to talk about then ?HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
lsi 9's
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