And the debate continues...

btown1985

Sometimes I wonder if the individuals that tend to blow up on forums actually have real friends...or ever have a conversation with real people. Things happen, passions run high but no need to take anything personally. Not sure the same things would be said in person and its not good practice to hide behind a keyboard. Above all, have integrity and respect everyone!

btown1985

Just wanted to throw something positive out there

nooshinjohn

I don't care what anybody says... right now Van Morrison is performing in my audio room on vinyl and the speakers have vanished. I have a few CDs that can pull off the same illusion. There is a place for all formats in a well balanced setup.

Joey_V

Vinyl or digital.... seems to me like the consensus is some like one and/or the other.

But the more interesting thing that I gathered from this thread is that there are some members on this forum who seem (meaning via the written internet word) to be a little bit on the antagonistic side. And lots of passive aggressive tone as well.

This place sometimes feels like a high school.

Let's chill out.

F1nut

audiocr381ve wrote: »

Haha wow, that's unbelievably ridiculous Skip. I don't get the JDC sometimes. The "Jesse Defense Crew"

Let me first say that I've had a few run ins with Jesse but it's all good now and the beef was cooked (medium well) and eaten a long time ago. But for the love of pete, Jesse is no angel. You must be wearing the JDC special edition sunglasses with 100% tint if you believe that it's a one way street and that all who take issue with him are in the wrong.

I'm not baggin' on Jesse either. I just couldn't sit back and let something like that fly. I've been around too long.

I guess you can call me the SDC

Skip didn't say everyone that I've had a disagreement with is ignorant and stubborn. He qualified his comment by saying normally. For the most part I would have to agree.

That said, Skip was wrong about this guy. He did indeed turn out to be one of those Skip described.

BTW, I am an angel

headrott

Can I throw Reel-To-Reel into the mix?!

In all seriousness, I love the tonality of vinyl as it is a pure analog format and presents some phenominal tonality, IMO. BUT, CD's and particularly SACD's can also present some phenominal tonality as well.

Mastering can be the final and definitive statement for how good a format sounds, IMO. Also, this does not change the fact that vinyl presents some surface noise that CD/SACD does not; that is an absolute fact. NO vinyl will always be absolutely pristine. Anyone thinking differently is deluding themselves. In the short or long term, you will get surface noise and degredation of the vinyl. That is fact.

But, I will say (just as RTR) I love the tonality of vinyl.

I also love the tonality of many CD's and SACD's too, and will let the mastering determine what format I listen to.

Edit: WTF!?!? This F1Nut avatar is getting rediculous! I posted and just looked at the thread from the main page and it shows F1Nut posted!? WTF!?! LOL! Hey, more power to Jesse I guess! LOL!

F1nut

I posted and just looked at the thread from the main page and it shows F1Nut posted!? WTF!?!

That's a problem with Vanilla, been doing whacky stuff like that for a few days now.

gdb

FWIW, I much prefer the occasional pop-click of an LP to a constant tape hiss or, the muddying effect that most NR circuits have on a tape's fidelity. Hard to beat "Brothers in Arms" or "Gaucho" on CD through good electronics, out of some SRS Polks ! I have never felt as though I was at a live performance listening to vinyl or tape nearly as much as plain, old redbook CDs. (I'm afraid to dabble in SACD ! $$$ ) On another note......Ford-GM or Mopar ? Argue amongst yerselves !

audiocr381ve

F1nut wrote: »

audiocr381ve wrote: »

Haha wow, that's unbelievably ridiculous Skip. I don't get the JDC sometimes. The "Jesse Defense Crew"

Let me first say that I've had a few run ins with Jesse but it's all good now and the beef was cooked (medium well) and eaten a long time ago. But for the love of pete, Jesse is no angel. You must be wearing the JDC special edition sunglasses with 100% tint if you believe that it's a one way street and that all who take issue with him are in the wrong.

I'm not baggin' on Jesse either. I just couldn't sit back and let something like that fly. I've been around too long.

I guess you can call me the SDC

Skip didn't say everyone that I've had a disagreement with is ignorant and stubborn. He qualified his comment by saying normally. For the most part I would have to agree.

That said, Skip was wrong about this guy. He did indeed turn out to be one of those Skip described.

BTW, I am an angel

Fine. Do you like my avatar?

Skip, you're skating on thin ice buddy.

Joey_V

Ayiyiyi....

headrott

F1nut wrote: »

I posted and just looked at the thread from the main page and it shows F1Nut posted!? WTF!?!

That's a problem with Vanilla, been doing whacky stuff like that for a few days now.

Yeah, like from day one, huh?

steveinaz

Beauty is in the ear of the beholder. What useless argument shall we have next? Which is better, waffles or pancakes? Music listening/enjoyment has always, and WILL always boil down to an emotional experience; not a white paper.

While I am a super-fussy listener (don't like noises/hiss, etc), I do enoy the sound of---and the ritual of, vinyl playback. You can go to a nice, clean U.S. restaurant and eat Mexican; or you can go to Mexico and have the real deal. You'll travel some terrible roads, see alot of pollution and poverty; but you'll never replace the ambience/emotion of the real experince, warts and all. You feeling me?

nooshinjohn

steveinaz wrote: »

Beauty is in the ear of the beholder. What useless argument shall we have next? Which is better, waffles or pancakes?

I prefer flapjacks to either of the options you listed. Anyone that thinks differently has no taste buds, or is a freakin liar.

steveinaz

I have resisted the urge for about the last 7 years or so, of putting together a vinyl setup. I grew up on vinyl, and sometimes really miss it.

heiney9

Tubes w/a decent digital rig can give you attributes of both a superior digital sound and waves of analog (LP) type presentation. That's as far as I am willing to go as I don't have the time to deal with the ritual of vinyl. I am border line obsessive and vinyl would have me climbing the walls trying to eek out the last nth degree of performance and/or making PERFECTLY clean surfaces.

And no matter what the format is, you will ALWAYS be at the mercy of the recording. No one can make a blanket statement about one being better than the other because the most prominent variable is something that is completely out of the end users control, the mastering/mixing process.

H9

btown1985

I get emotional just turning music on, helps with whatever I'm feeling. Not sure when/if I will ever get to that critical point choosing a better format. Differences yes but one better than another...maybe?

gdb

There IS one constant, in my opinion.........Compression=Evil !

audiocr381ve

steveinaz wrote: »

Beauty is in the ear of the beholder. What useless argument shall we have next? Which is better, waffles or pancakes? Music listening/enjoyment has always, and WILL always boil down to an emotional experience; not a white paper.

While I am a super-fussy listener (don't like noises/hiss, etc), I do enoy the sound of---and the ritual of, vinyl playback. You can go to a nice, clean U.S. restaurant and eat Mexican; or you can go to Mexico and have the real deal. You'll travel some terrible roads, see alot of pollution and poverty; but you'll never replace the ambience/emotion of the real experince, warts and all. You feeling me?

Yes, this.

steveinaz

HEY! When did you get the Super SL-5 Harbeth's? I'm jealous.

heiney9

I have also found that audio appreciation, music listening is a singular experience most of the time. I tend to want to do it alone, without the significant other because she doesn't share the same passion or attention I do. I want her to enjoy it in the same way and have the same connection, but it's hard since we are coming from two different places. Also our tastes run differently and the reason for listening is different.

So apply the above to the age old digital vs. analog and you can see no one person is all right or all wrong. Sometimes we enjoy what we enjoy for reasons that might not completely make sense to anyone else. That's what makes each of our experiences unique, IMO.

H9

btown1985

Very well put heiney9

audiocr381ve

steveinaz wrote: »

HEY! When did you get the Super SL-5 Harbeth's? I'm jealous.

Haha was waiting to hear from you! Started a thread over in the "Speakers" section, lets chat over there

RamZet

xcapri79 wrote: »

While my kids were growing I kept my LP's more or less hidden to preserve them. One day, my teenage son was going on and on about Green Day and Blink 182 etc., so I told him, "Do you want to see and hear something really cool?"

I pulled out my Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club LP showed it to him and actually let him hold it. His eyes popped as he was just used to CD's. We played it and he was hooked. He got into the Beatles, as well as, other groups. Their music inspired him to learn how to play the guitar and get into a band. There is something about the LP and the big cover that is cool!

Have you picked up a CD lately?
The paper covers they come in remind me of my LPs. They unfold, covered in art, and have a nice booklet or two in them. I guess somewhere along the line somebody else had the thought you had about the big covers.

BlueFox

The biggest advantage to the cardboard CD holders is they no longer have the barcode strip sealing the plastic case together. I hated that thing.

dromunds

Yeah, that strip sealing the plastic case together was one of those things that made people say, "We can put a man on the moon but we can't figure out a better way to seal a CD case? It went on for years with those things...

WilliamM2

RamZet wrote: »

Have you picked up a CD lately?
The paper covers they come in remind me of my LPs. They unfold, covered in art, and have a nice booklet or two in them. I guess somewhere along the line somebody else had the thought you had about the big covers.

I have a few of them and like the concept, but some of the ones I have are a little taller than a standard CD case, and they won't fit in my oak CD racks, or my travel case. And they aren't as easily replaced if damaged.

vc69

dromunds wrote: »

Yeah, that strip sealing the plastic case together was one of those things that made people say, "We can put a man on the moon but we can't figure out a better way to seal a CD case? It went on for years with those things...

What about trying to unwrap cassettes when the "peeler" strip broke? Didn't that give rise to the saying "why can't they make condoms from this stuff?"

ken brydson

https://www.facebook.com/Konbini/videos/495531343931757/?fref=nf

ken brydson

SCompRacer wrote: »

F1nut wrote: »

Seems he desperately wants to be me......LOL

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, eh? Could lead to stalking too.....lol

http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/cmfk4j/the-office---jim-imitating-dwight

gudnoyez

There are debates on every hobby forum board whether it's a mountain biking, fishing, hunting, firearms, ( whatever other hobbies your into ) type forum. I like reading them all some get pretty heated but hey it's one's passion of said hobbies.

A good example is my ex son in law borrowed my chainsaw last fall go to get it yesterday, as I had a few trees and shrubs die over the last couple of winters that needed to be brought down. He didn't clean it up or drain the old fuel so It wouldn't start.

I messed around with it most of yesterday to finally get it started, come to find out the oiler pump gave out on it as he was using 30 weight in the middle of winter at negative temps to keep the bar and chain oiled, needless to say the seals must of gave out trying to pump out thick cold oil.

I made him take it to the shop on his dime to get it repaired. Needing to get something I bought me an electric Remington chain saw to get me buy until my real saw gets out of the shop. I got on a couple of arborist forums to see what people recommend for bar and chain oil , let me tell you there are plenty of heated topics titled another oil debate and others were some pretty heated discussions. I guess the point I'm trying to get across is everyone has their own opinions. I enjoy reading debates like this one. I'm rambling I'm out.