Phillip Seymour Hoffman found dead...

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  • unc2701
    unc2701 Posts: 3,587
    edited February 2014
    mudwrx wrote: »
    Sorry, I never bought in to that and never will. The needles don't magically float in to your arm. You make a conscious decision and effort to buy, prep and use. The alcohol does not just appear in your mouth and down your throat. Cigarettes do not jump out of the box and land between your lips. Whatever the addiction is, you are the one making the choice to continue. Don't. Plain and simple.

    People get angry when the "addiction" word is challenged. I just think it is a crutch people depend on, almost enabling whatever habit they have.

    I am fully aware things such as alcoholism are technically classified as a disease, but it is a disease in which you have direct control of.

    Again, nothing personal.

    You hurt your back at work. OxyContin is cheaper than physical therapy, so it costs you $5 for a month's script but $50 every time you go to PT. So you go with oxy, but build tolerance and need more & more. Then the insurance company stops paying. You try to go off, but you're left with pain from the injury that never healed as well as withdrawal pain, insomnia, chills, nausea and diarrhea. So you buy illicit oxy. Or try to get it to go further by snorting it or shooting it. Then Purdue pharma pulls the old formulation off the market and none of the street pills work. So you buy what you can get and heroin is cheap these days.

    The vast majority of opioid addicts in the US started off much like what I just described- A chronic pain injury, prescription opioids to addiction. I've been working with opioid products for about 10 years now and nothing personal, but you don't have a clue here.
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  • mudwrx
    mudwrx Posts: 367
    edited February 2014
    unc2701 wrote: »
    You hurt your back at work. OxyContin is cheaper than physical therapy, so it costs you $5 for a month's script but $50 every time you go to PT. So you go with oxy, but build tolerance and need more & more. Then the insurance company stops paying. You try to go off, but you're left with pain from the injury that never healed as well as withdrawal pain, insomnia, chills, nausea and diarrhea. So you buy illicit oxy. Or try to get it to go further by snorting it or shooting it. Then Purdue pharma pulls the old formulation off the market and none of the street pills work. So you buy what you can get and heroin is cheap these days.

    The vast majority of opioid addicts in the US started off much like what I just described- A chronic pain injury, prescription opioids to addiction. I've been working with opioid products for about 10 years now and nothing personal, but you don't have a clue here.

    Appreciate all you say, and I can sense the angry starting. I will not change my mind/opinion on this subject so I will just leave it at that.
  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited February 2014
    And yet by some miracle....

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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,027
    edited February 2014
    That dude is a freak of nature.
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited February 2014
    According to his book, it's because he only used the purest pharmaceutical grade heroin :eek:
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  • unc2701
    unc2701 Posts: 3,587
    edited February 2014
    mudwrx wrote: »
    Appreciate all you say, and I can sense the angry starting. I will not change my mind/opinion on this subject so I will just leave it at that.

    Ok, that's fine. If you're actually interested in the topic, I'd be happy to point you to plenty of resources & I truly believe that if you put the effort into reading just a fraction of what's out there, you'd reach a different conclusion.
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  • unc2701
    unc2701 Posts: 3,587
    edited February 2014
    nspindel wrote: »
    According to his book, it's because he only used the purest pharmaceutical grade heroin :eek:
    Yeah, it's marketed in the UK as Diamorphine. As pharmaceutical drug, it's got pluses and minuses over morphine or fentanyl, but isn't particularly unique apart from being really potent. A lot of the heroin risk comes with the variable potency and lack of quality control, so that could explain why he's still alive. That or he keeps some naloxone on him at all times & his friends know what to do with it.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,833
    edited February 2014
    mudwrx wrote: »
    Sorry, I never bought in to that and never will. The needles don't magically float in to your arm. You make a conscious decision and effort to buy, prep and use. The alcohol does not just appear in your mouth and down your throat. Cigarettes do not jump out of the box and land between your lips. Whatever the addiction is, you are the one making the choice to continue. Don't. Plain and simple.

    People get angry when the "addiction" word is challenged. I just think it is a crutch people depend on, almost enabling whatever habit they have.

    I am fully aware things such as alcoholism are technically classified as a disease, but it is a disease in which you have direct control of.

    Again, nothing personal.

    Your ignorance on this matter is astounding in this day and age. Addiction is the disease. Drugs, alcohol, gambling, etc. are mear symptoms of that disease. It's a disease that manifests itself in all aspects of a persons life. Dumbing it down, it's mental disease, no different than a host of others such as depression. Like most mental diseases there are degrees of it and like most there are treatments, but one is never fully cured.
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  • badchad
    badchad Posts: 348
    edited February 2014
    Drug dependence is a complicated behavioral disorder.

    Claiming that people can "just quit" is akin to telling someone depressed that they just need to "snap out of it", or suck it up. If you ask users about their use, many will plainly tell you that they are fully aware of the harms their use can and will cause. Despite this knowledge, they continue to use.

    Most people wouldn't dream of telling a schizophrenic to just "suck it up, act normal and ignore those voices".
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,027
    edited February 2014
    badchad wrote: »
    Most people wouldn't dream of telling a schizophrenic to just "suck it up, act normal and ignore those voices".

    Not so sure about that....my wife says that to me constantly.
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  • badchad
    badchad Posts: 348
    edited February 2014
    I hear the same thing. Yet my behavior persists :)
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 25,754
    edited February 2014
    tonyb wrote: »
    Not so sure about that....my wife says that to me constantly.
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  • NJPOLKER
    NJPOLKER Posts: 3,474
    edited February 2014
    A heroin addict once told me to NEVER EVER TRY it for it will change you forever, the first time you try it!

    I was not ever going to try it so I can't speak from personal experience.

    That nice fellow died with a needle in his arm a week or so after he told me that and he also told me heroin was going to kill him and there was nothing he could do about it. HHMMMMMMMMM I think there was nothing he was willing to do about it so he died.

    I have spoken with quite a few heroin addicts over the years and every single one started their drug adventure smoking pot. I am just saying...............................................................
  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited February 2014
    NJPOLKER wrote: »
    I have spoken with quite a few heroin addicts over the years and every single one started their drug adventure smoking pot. I am just saying...............................................................

    Actually, they all started out by drinking milk. :rolleyes:
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  • unc2701
    unc2701 Posts: 3,587
    edited February 2014
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Actually, they all started out by drinking milk. :rolleyes:
    More to the point, just as many of them "experimented" with alcohol & tobacco; they're indistinguishable from weed as gateway drugs.
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  • Jhayman
    Jhayman Posts: 1,548
    edited February 2014
    I watched a documentary on Crack the poor mans Heroin..
    They say crack is so addictive than you can become addicted after just using it once.
    It said that crack is so potent it actually rewires the brains pleasure Center to the point of the only way you can experience pleasure again is to do crack..
    There is nothing in life that can make your brain feel that way except doing more crack..
    As for pot being a gateway drug to bigger and worse drugs I disagree I know many completely functioning people that use pot rather than having a beer or stiff drink after work..
    Just my opinion
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited February 2014
    For every heroin addict who started out smoking weed, there are 100 weed smokers who never went to anything harder. I reject the whole gateway drug theory. As BlueFox said, they drank milk, too.
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  • NJPOLKER
    NJPOLKER Posts: 3,474
    edited February 2014
    The milk analogy is pretty dumb in my opinion. I'm not trying to say pot is a gateway drug. I'm just making a observation from past experiences with people I have met.
    I don't think pot is a gateway drug at all however every heroin addict I have spoke with started with pot.
  • jephdood
    jephdood Posts: 1,671
    edited February 2014
    An example that correlation does not equal causation. I'm guessing they all drink too (and I don't mean dairy products).
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  • nspindel
    nspindel Posts: 5,343
    edited February 2014
    Every alcoholic started by drinking beer. Doesn't mean beer leads to alcoholism.
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  • NJPOLKER
    NJPOLKER Posts: 3,474
    edited February 2014
    Do we have a lot of weed heads here? LMAO

    I gotta go get my bong and then find a syringe tomorrow.
  • gudnoyez
    gudnoyez Posts: 8,135
    edited February 2014
    You would have to be on something for a guy wanting a piece of Dirk Diggler!! Can't post cause of the F-bombs but the part where he wants Dirk to check out his new Ride. Boogie Nights a classic, RIP Phillip.

    Many of you have addictions and don't realize possibly an audio addiction? Didn't Keith admit to snorting his fathers ashes?
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  • Hermitism
    Hermitism Posts: 4,278
    edited February 2014
    I don't think ashes are a gateway drug at all however every heroin addict I have spoke with started with snorting their father's ashes.

    :cheesygrin:
  • Hermitism
    Hermitism Posts: 4,278
    edited February 2014
    You're either an addict or you're not. It's in your DNA. Weed doesn't turn you into a heroin addict, just like drinking a beer doesn't turn you into an alcoholic.
  • sucks2beme
    sucks2beme Posts: 5,614
    edited February 2014
    Hermitism wrote: »
    You're either an addict or you're not. It's in your DNA. Weed doesn't turn you into a heroin addict, just like drinking a beer doesn't turn you into an alcoholic.

    Some people are predisposed for addiction. But anybody can become an addict.
    If you drink enough long enough, you become an alcoholic. That's a fact.
    And yes, crack hits people like a ton of bricks. Most users a hooked in just
    a couple of uses. Grass is a lot more habit forming than most think.
    But it really doesn't lead to stronger stuff anymore than booze does.
    It's just a case that the stronger drugs tend to show up where pot does.
    So that's where users get exposed to it.
    So the reality is some drugs take time and usage, others work faster.
    Some people fall in and never get off. Others can resist, or can
    get free with some effort. But nobody is immune. How many
    little old ladies are hooked on painkillers? More than you'd think.
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  • Hermitism
    Hermitism Posts: 4,278
    edited February 2014
    I agree that there are drugs out there that are highly addictive. I just don't buy into "weed leads to heavier addictions". I'd be willing to bet that most addicts started smoking cigarettes long before they ever started smoking weed. Cigarettes are addictive, I know, I smoked for eight years before quiting. However I don't think cigarettes lead to heavier drugs.

    I'd also like to say that just because I don't agree with some people's opinions, that doesn't mean that I don't like them as a person. I don't want to start a heated argument with anyone. I just get irritated when people blame weed for certain things. I smoked weed probably ten times in my life and it never made me want to try anything stronger. I think addicts will try any form of drug to get their "high". And weed is the cheapest and most widely available illegal drug, so it's easy to say every addict started with weed. I'd bet most started taking over the counter Tylenol like candy when they were younger, but I don't blame Tylenol for their heroin drug overdose twenty years later. I'm just saying'.
  • DMara
    DMara Posts: 1,434
    edited February 2014
    tonyb wrote: »
    Why is it all these good actors, athletes, who have the world by the balls do this sort of stuff ?

    Maybe that was why they were great :lol:
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  • chumlie
    chumlie Posts: 8,658
    edited February 2014
    Any other junkie dies, big woop. Hoofman now gets a probe. I feel better.
  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,027
    edited February 2014
    chumlie wrote: »
    Any other junkie dies, big woop. Hoofman now gets a probe. I feel better.

    Funny isn't it ? When someone famous dies from a drug overdose, must be the fault of the seller, lets go get them. Average kid on the street dies, and it's the users fault.
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,366
    edited February 2014
    I'm going on 24 years away from my cocaine/crack, crystal meth induced days. there is not one thing I miss about those days. A dark sad few years of my young life...

    And for the record "IMO" 12 step programs are a joke, AA, NA, the sad truth of it all is you meet new people with with the same issues, and the next thing you know is you have more contacts in your little black book to score your drug of choice..

    If it has worked for some great!! but in my experience I have never seen one person use it and make it...

    I understand it's an addiction, I have been there done that, but you still have a choice to say yes or no, I just decided to say no, and wanted more out of life.. It can be done, the first few months is the worst, and "IMO" the hardest thing to do to break it, is separating yourself from your so called friends, and even family that you deem unhealthy for you to succeed....