whats next?

tonyb

Ohm's law ?? Fantastic.....if your an electrical engineer, but means diddly squat in how a piece sounds. Way too many variables besides "ohm's law" go into an amp.

tonyb

SCompRacer wrote: »

I'm thinking you are not that stupid, you are here just to cause problems.

Hence the name....Jester. He just forgot to put "court" in front of it.

thsmith

Jestered wrote: »

Going used may or may not be my choice. I've been looking at used amps for about a month now, but it seems people are wanting the same for their used amp that I could get it on Amazon for. Now that I have a better understanding outside of simple Ohm's Law, which some people still don't get, then that also allows me to better know what to look for in an amp.

I think you are full of it or you still dont know what you are looking for in an amp because Amazon does not carry an amp worth considering. A few integrateds and AVRs but no stand alone decent amps. There are some $27 amps but like I said decent.

If Amazon is your source for amps then good luck. You must be a troll.

thsmith

Here you go Jestered, just what you need. Go buy them and leave.

http://www.amazon.com/Autek-Fountain-Amplifier-Dancing-Speakers/dp/B00DR8STSW/ref=lp_537344_1_14?s=aht&ie=UTF8&qid=1381945701&sr=1-14

BlueFox

Jestered wrote: »

Now that I have a better understanding outside of simple Ohm's Law, which some people still don't get, then that also allows me to better know what to look for in an amp.

Do you mean 'get' in the sense that Ohm's Law, which uses basic algebra, applies to DC circuits. On the other hand, AC circuits require calculus to solve. Since amps are AC circuits, the simple DC circuit Ohm's Law doesn't apply.

tonyb

BlueFox wrote: »

Do you mean 'get' in the sense that Ohm's Law, which uses basic algebra, applies to DC circuits. On the other hand, AC circuits require calculus to solve. Since amps are AC circuits, the simple DC circuit Ohm's Law doesn't apply.

C'mon Fox....you played that card too early. Now you snatched some entertainment value out of the thread. What am I suppose to do with all this popcorn now ?

pitdogg2

tonyb wrote: »

C'mon Fox....you played that card too early. Now you snatched some entertainment value out of the thread. What am I suppose to do with all this popcorn now ?

Sneaky flying squirrel looking around corner.....

BlueFox

Sorry. Wasn't thinking straight. Got up to early this morning.

Jestered

thsmith wrote: »

I think you are full of it or you still dont know what you are looking for in an amp because Amazon does not carry an amp worth considering. A few integrateds and AVRs but no stand alone decent amps. There are some $27 amps but like I said decent.

If Amazon is your source for amps then good luck. You must be a troll.

You guys just don't give up. It's laughable at this point.

Where exactly are you looking on Amazon? Is this not at least a decent amp?

http://www.amazon.com/Parasound-Five-Channel-Amplifier-5250/dp/B000EOJ74M/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1381947904&sr=8-2&keywords=parasound

falconcry72

Hey Jestered, when you're starting to narrow down amp choices, make a new thread about what you're looking at. There is a lot of experience here that can help you achieve your desired sound. Good luck on the hunt.

Jestered

falconcry72 wrote: »

Hey Jestered, when you're starting to narrow down amp choices, make a new thread about what you're looking at. There is a lot of experience here that can help you achieve your desired sound. Good luck on the hunt.

Thanks falconcry72. I appreciate it!

falconcry72

Jestered wrote: »

Thanks falconcry72. I appreciate it!

No problem. The thing about amps (and preamps, DACs, etc.) is that they could bench/spec the exact same, yet sound different. So unless you want to audition every amp out there in your own system, it is very helpful to piggyback on the experience of people who have actually spent time listening critically to multiple designs and done A/B comparisons in their own systems.

Keep in mind, this is a forum for audiophiles, not electrical engineers. What we may lack in the ability to describe the "how" (why does an amp sound a certain way), we make up for in spades with the ability to describe the "what" (what does an amp actually sound like, compared to other designs).

I can't tell you exactly why my amps sound different from each other, but I can give you real-world experience from comparing and critically listening to literally dozens of different designs over just the last couple years alone.

There is no theoretical substitute for actual experience via trial and error.

F1nut

Bluefox wrote:

Do you mean 'get' in the sense that Ohm's Law, which uses basic algebra, applies to DC circuits. On the other hand, AC circuits require calculus to solve. Since amps are AC circuits, the simple DC circuit Ohm's Law doesn't apply.

He got that from the same severely misinformed person that thinks all SS amps sound the same.

Amazon? Certainly not the first, second, third, fourth or fifth place one would think to look for a quality amp. Audiogon is usually the default choice.

SCompRacer

Wattage specs would be great if all manufacturers used the same standard to measure them, or at least state what standard was used to get them. THD is another spec that could be expounded upon. You get a fixed amount but don't see when and where the distortion occurred. A distortion analyzer will show what types of distortion, the amounts of and where it occured throughout the audio frequency range. A real visual eye opener you can relate to what you heard. Maybe too much info for some folks.

Another visual way is to put a scope on your speaker terminals. When music is playing, it looks like a crack addict playing with an etch a sketch. You can adjust settings to get a smooth sine wave and increase power to see if you lop their heads off (clipping). The other way, as stated, is connect a better amp and play at same low and max dB you would listen to. You start hearing more details or everthing the artist intended on the recording, you are golden. You don't know what you are missing until you hear the same material on something better. To me that is what an audiophile goes for. Others are content without that. And I don't want to hear how detail is always strident and painful cause it is not always the case.

headrott

Jestered is using a classic example of Hegelian dialectic. You present a problem to which you already know the solution, but cause those around you (the Polk Forum in this case) to endlessly present the solution (the truth) yet he acts as if he doesn't realise what that solution is and thus causing the Polk Forum members to endlessly keep presenting the solution to which Jestered already knows the answer (whether factual or not). The person (or people) (Jestered in this case) then continues his steering towards anarchy by "never realising" the answer to the presented problem and the cycle continues. (That is, the solution the problem presenter (Jestered) is seeking, that is anarchy and chaos).

Please go "play" somewhere else Jestered.

Jestered

headrott wrote: »

Jestered is using a classic example of Hegelian dialectic. You present a problem to which you already know the solution, but cause those around you (the Polk Forum in this case) to endlessly present the solution (the truth) yet he acts as if he doesn't realise what that solution is and thus causing the Polk Forum members to endlessly keep presenting the solution to which Jestered already knows the answer (whether factual or not). The person (or people) (Jestered in this case) then continues his steering towards anarchy by "never realising" the answer to the presented problem and the cycle continues. (That is, the solution the problem presenter (Jestered) is seeking, that is anarchy and chaos).

Please go "play" somewhere else Jestered.

Either you're trying to sound smart, or you don't really "get" Hegel's philosophy. Hegel's "philosophy" goes much deeper than the simple explanation you've described. You can twist my question how ever you'd like, but the simple fact is that I asked a question. Nothing more and nothing less.

F1nut

BOZO listed.

Jestered

F1nut wrote: »

He got that from the same severely misinformed person that thinks all SS amps sound the same.

Amazon? Certainly not the first, second, third, fourth or fifth place one would think to look for a quality amp. Audiogon is usually the default choice.

1nut- Why do you keep chiming in?

F1nut

This message is hidden because Jestered is on your BOZO list.

Ah, much better!

Jestered

F1nut wrote: »

BOZO listed.

At least you came up with a new name. But, again, why do you keep responding?

Jestered

F1nut wrote: »

Ah, much better!

Thank you!

headrott

Jestered wrote: »

Either you're trying to sound smart, or you don't really "get" Hegel's philosophy. Hegel's "philosophy" goes much deeper than the simple explanation you've described. You can twist my question how ever you'd like, but the simple fact is that I asked a question. Nothing more and nothing less.

Excellent! "We" simply answered the question multiple times. Nothing more and nothing less. Please move along before you wind up on others' BOZO lists.

F1nut

Anyone else think mindless and jestered are the same person? I mean, the odds of 2 people being like that are astronomical.

headrott

It's funny Jesse, I originally almost posted a question asking Jestered what other screen name(s) he has used......... I decided on my response above however.

F1nut

Just proves that great minds think alike

BlueFox

F1nut wrote: »

Anyone else think mindless and jestered are the same person? I mean, the odds of 2 people being like that are astronomical.

I think they are different. Jester doesn't stick question marks in the middle of his sentences.

Jestered

headrott wrote: »

Excellent! "We" simply answered the question multiple times. Nothing more and nothing less. Please move along before you wind up on others' BOZO lists.

If it means you will stop responding, then PLEASE put me on your list! I'm begging you...

headrott

Jestered wrote: »

If it means you will stop responding, then PLEASE put me on your list! I'm begging you...

Why do you insist on taunting others?

Jestered

headrott wrote: »

Why do you insist on taunting others?

Ha! Now that's funny! Who exacatly am I taunting? I've been attacked over and over again in this thread, but yet I'm taunting? You sir are delusional.

txcoastal1

All I know I have plenty of gear to swap around. That being said I have a 100 watt AVR that distorts a pair of speakers before one of my higher end 60 watt amps measured at the same SPL...proof is in the pudding