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I still hope you explain how and why you came up with those speaker cable specifications you mentioned in the other thread.
I already asked that question and he ignored it. He talks a lot of game but has nothing to back it up. And now after being called out he turns tail to run.--Gary--
Onkyo Integra M504, Bottlehead Foreplay III, Denon SACD, Thiel CS2.3, NHT VT-2, VT-3 and Evolution T6, Infinity RSIIIa, SDA1C and a few dozen other speakers around the house I change in and out. -
I keep saying it... this guy is none other than chessy.The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson -
That would be interesting. It took me about 3 years to get my ears 95% of the way there. Another year later and I still only feel like I'm 96% of the way there. There are certain things "the elders" mention that I still have a hard time hearing in my system.
Could you give examples of these elusive phenomena and where or when an example could be herd even if not recognized?Too much **** to list.... -
Could you give examples of these elusive phenomena and where or when an example could be herd even if not recognized?
Are you serious? Nothing elusive about it. Phenomena? Hardly. Instead of the when and where.. Lets start with how you don't recognize. It's not complicated.
Hakeb -
Shokdu, if those variable speed drives are ABB's, I'm your Go-To Guy. Taught by the 'famous' Tucker Brothers, formerly from State Electric.
If they're Yashimakawa/Yashimoku/Yashi-What-The-Heck, you're on your own. They don't work, trash, and replace. :loneranger:
Bankruptcy could explain the transition from Krell to Levinson to McIntosh to Emotiva. After reading DK's post, I got to thinking that perhaps you were getting a hold of vintage gear that had problems. It definitely can happen. Swap out a Krell for Levinson, etc until you got to a new Emotiva with no problems.
A new, problems-free Emotiva could sound better than a Krell/Levinson/Mc with semi-toasted caps, etc.
In any event, plug and chug. You might want to kind of look back on some of your posts and see where maybe you kind of stepped on your crank.
....btw, if we ever get avatars, I'm calling dibs on Keiko's cat pic. (You forgot the caption, "LAMN !" :biggrin: )Sal Palooza -
Bankruptcy protects you from creditors - it doesn't mean all your stuff gets liquidated actually.
Anyways - I've used this to have friends and acquaintances join or at least peruse the forum. I tell them that Polk Audio has a forum and it's not to be taken lightly. I tell them that people still come here even after graduating to levels of audio where some of you have more money than sense (no offense... if I did I would be the same way too) and as such - those people generally know the difference between good, bad, ugly, etc.
A lot of people I talk to do not associate Polk Audio with "high end" and when I tell them the forums are full of useful information, from the lowest of the low to the stratospheric they scoff until they actually come and see the wealth of knowledge that is here.
That being said - it's hard to pull a fast one on the guys here. Collectively they know almost everything.
Also, it's a family - and you will see us respond as such.Main Surround -
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Bedroom - Sharp Aquos 70" 650 / Pioneer SC-1222k / Polk RT-55 / Polk CS-250
Den - Rotel RSP-1068 / Threshold CAS-2 / Boston VR-M60 / BDP-05FD -
halenhoang wrote: »Are you serious? Nothing elusive about it. Phenomena? Hardly. Instead of the when and where.. Lets start with how you don't recognize. It's not complicated.
Hakeb
Hold the phone! Don't recognize what? And from under which rock did you matriculate? How about you start by answering the question as to what the elders hear that the rest do not before you begin to run your mouth! If and when you satisfy that request we'll discuss sarcasm and other internet phenomena that are clearly beyond your comprehension at this point.
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Dskip,
I think I see what your saying. Is it a case of not knowing it's missing because it isn't there to begin with? If so I totally understand. I have become accustomed to the sound of my living room that is rather awesome if I do say so ..eh hem ...lol. But I don't realize how good until I go to a buddies house and have my ears torn apart by what he thinks is killer. I tell him there is so much he isn't hearing but he doesn't get it. I was thinking at first that you meant the elders hear things other do not. I disagree with that. If you are saying that wicked bad **** systems produce sounds that cheepo systems do not and thus the listener is unable to identify the missing frequencies then I absolutely agree.Too much **** to list.... -
I was thinking at first that you meant the elders hear things other do not.
I hear voices late at night.....they tell me unimaginable things. Oh, the horror.....Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
It isn't that you CAN'T hear it, it's that you've never LISTENED for it.
I agree and will add that I'm not sure one ever stops learning.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
I hear voices late at night.....they tell me unimaginable things. Oh, the horror.....
Emo kit-tay talks to you??--Gary--
Onkyo Integra M504, Bottlehead Foreplay III, Denon SACD, Thiel CS2.3, NHT VT-2, VT-3 and Evolution T6, Infinity RSIIIa, SDA1C and a few dozen other speakers around the house I change in and out. -
Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
I agree and will add that I'm not sure one ever stops learning.
When you stop learning, you're brain-dead!Family Room, Innuos Statement streamer (Roon Core) with Morrow Audio USB cable to McIntosh MC 2700 pre with DC2 Digital Audio Module; AQ Sky XLRs to CAT 600.2 dualmono amp, Morrow Elite Speaker Cables to NOLA Baby Grand Reference Gold 3 speakers. Power source for all components: Silver Circle Audio Pure Power One with dedicated 20 amp circuit to main panel.
Exercise Room, Innuos Streamer via Cat 6 cable connection to PS Audio PerfectWave MkII DAC w/Bridge II, AQ King Cobra RCAs to Perreaux PMF3150 amp (fully restored and upgraded by Jeffrey Jackson, Precision Audio Labs), Supra Rondo 4x2.5 Speaker Cables to SDA 1Cs (Vr3 Mods Xovers and other mods.), Dreadnaught with Supra Rondo 4x2.5 interconnect cables by Vr3 Mods. Power for each component from dedicated 20 amp circuit to main panel, except Innuos Statement powered from Silver Circle Audio Pure Power One. -
Moose68Bash wrote: »When you stop learning, you're brain-dead!
If that's the case then we have a few members who should be classified as such.HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
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Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
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That got me laughing!Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
I hear voices late at night.....they tell me unimaginable things. Oh, the horror.....
Unless it's H9 whispering at the foot of your bed I'm gonna say there's nothing to be scared of LOL.They do in many cases, I believe that. It isn't that you CAN'T hear it, it's that you've never LISTENED for it. Same as improving your game anywhere, it helps to have vets there to be a guiding force. You may not buy everything they say, but you should listen to them nonetheless.
If you think this is me butt kissing polkies like Jesse, John, or Tony, you thought wrong. Too many new folks blow them off before listening to them and its a shame. He'll, marvda1 and I have gotten together many times over the last three or four years. I still pick his brain any chance I get. I hardly ever do what he says, but his opinions are factored in when I'm thinking of upgrades and the likes. It doesn't hurt that we are both usher fanboys. Hell, when he came over a few weeks ago, his response to my mono blocks was, "so I could've gotten away with 28 watts, huh?"
My growth in this hobby is directly related to the knowledge I've gained from these guys. Their insight helps me find the weaknesses in my own system, which are quite limited now. I'm not saying my system does poorly in these areas, it just takes a while to form a standard to judge those areas with.
I don't see it as bkissing at all. There are experts in any craft or endeavor that for some reason drip knowledge almost every time they speak. When others do not gain that knowledge in the midst of the banter it is a waste. My intention was to clarify that the things to listen for are there regardless, system permitting, but it takes a desire to hear them. I hear so many people say things like this (cables) doesn't matter or that (amp signature) doesn't matter. The sonic changes are there and not so hard to discern if one just wants too take the time and make the effort to try. I feel its the least someone could do in an effort to offer the respect to themselves and to their own hobby that it deserves.Too much **** to list.... -
I'm still learning how to listen to it all.
Now don't you and the poor teachers wish you would have done that 20 yrs ago2-channel: Modwright KWI-200 Integrated, Dynaudio C1-II Signatures
Desktop rig: LSi7, Polk 110sub, Dayens Ampino amp, W4S DAC/pre, Sonos, JRiver
Gear on standby: Melody 101 tube pre, Unison Research Simply Italy Integrated
Gone to new homes: (Matt Polk's)Threshold Stasis SA12e monoblocks, Pass XA30.5 amp, Usher MD2 speakers, Dynaudio C4 platinum speakers, Modwright LS100 (voltz), Simaudio 780D DAC
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Unless it's H9 whispering at the foot of your bed I'm gonna say there's nothing to be scared of LOL.
I don't see it as bkissing at all. There are experts in any craft or endeavor that for some reason drip knowledge almost every time they speak. When others do not gain that knowledge in the midst of the banter it is a waste. My intention was to clarify that the things to listen for are there regardless, system permitting, but it takes a desire to hear them. I hear so many people say things like this (cables) doesn't matter or that (amp signature) doesn't matter. The sonic changes are there and not so hard to discern if one just wants too take the time and make the effort to try. I feel its the least someone could do in an effort to offer the respect to themselves and to their own hobby that it deserves.
Is something "there" if you don't know where to look for it or "what" to listen for...seems like a bit of a philosophical conundrum to me, no?
Think of the new born who must learn the "opposite", i.e., how to filter out the cacophony that is EVERYTHING. The sensory barrage that is always buzzing, attacking the senses of a being with no cultural categories to sort, categorize, see and understand a "world", and a "particular world" at that. We actually learn how NOT to listen to EVERYTHING and have to be re-educated to "hear" some things again!
In other words, audio like almost everything, has an "observer" effect. That is, the observer affects what he/she is observing and the object of observation changes with the changing awareness of the observer. The two are inextricably linked to each other. This is, of course, a GIANT headache for any "objectivist"!
cnhCurrently orbiting Bowie's Blackstar.!
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Damn Mike, you're going to give me nightmares.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
I gotta tell ya, that's an ugly cat.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
This oughta make you feel bad :loneranger:
Sal Palooza -
Is something "there" if you don't know where to look for it or "what" to listen for...seems like a bit of a philosophical conundrum to me, no?
Think of the new born who must learn the "opposite", i.e., how to filter out the cacophony that is EVERYTHING. The sensory barrage that is always buzzing, attacking the senses of a being with no cultural categories to sort, categorize, see and understand a "world", and a "particular world" at that. We actually learn how NOT to listen to EVERYTHING and have to be re-educated to "hear" some things again!
In other words, audio like almost everything, has an "observer" effect. That is, the observer affects what he/she is observing and the object of observation changes with the changing awareness of the observer. The two are inextricably linked to each other. This is, of course, a GIANT headache for any "objectivist"!
cnh
I would use the ringing of symbols as an example. It is easy to forget just how they one ring or how long and tapered the chime of an electric guitar is until you hear a prime example. City of Gold for per se' on Flat as a Pancake. The long chime at the end will get you listening for the same in other songs. I don't necessarily think anyone can hear more than others, just that those with a more finely tuned ear, be it from experience or from natural causes, can recognize these less common sounds and thus be more impressed with any particulate type of sound or recording.
I agree that the observer effect will definitely change the perception of any given situation. It seems to me the OE is the bane of the double blind endorser.Too much **** to list....
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