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har_navalta

1.2TL upgrades

1). Internal wirings

Re: Question to raife

Hello Raife,

You mention before that you changed the internal wiring of your SDA 1c's and you said that no difference, I wonder what kind of wire did you used because I am thinking to modify my 1.2tL change the internal wiring inside running to the Drivers and tweeters to Solid 22 AWG pure 99.99% silver coated with clear Teflon and that might get a big difference.

Har

Hi Har,

I used Monster Cable 12 AWG and noticed no difference between the thicker Monster wire and the stock wire. I talked to a Polk engineer who said they had experimented with various internal wiring gauges. He said that the distances inside the speaker are so short that using something other than the stock internal wiring was a waste of money.

Let me know how your experiment works out.

Raife

If you haven't noticed, silver and silver-clad cabling is very popular these days amongst audiophiles. There's a valid scientific reason for this. Silver is a better conductor than copper, in part because it holds a very slight lead in terms of lower resistance per unit length versus copper. The oxide of silver (yes, rusted silver) is also reported to be an excellent conductor as compared to the oxide of copper, which is a semi-conductor. This is one of the arguments for using silver-plating (a.k.a. silver clad) cabling, that any oxidation will itself remain highly conductive. The other argument concerns the skin effect, and it refers to the fact that higher frequencies travel in the outermost portion of the wire. This is controversial though, because it is mainly frequencies out of the audible band. If you've ever looked at some of your copper cabling, you can see it turn a greenish black, which indicates the outer layer of the cabling is now copper oxide, reducing the cable's effectiveness in delivering the signal to your component or speakers (assuming you are a proponent of the skin effect concept).

har_navalta

This is 22 AWG Solid Fine Silver wire with clear Teflon coating that I am planning to replace all the stock wire running to the Drivers and Tweeters.

A 99.99% Solid Silver (Second precious metal)

har_navalta

By the way they are sold by foot to:

22 AWG Solid Fine Silver wire with clear Teflon coating
0-49ft. $2.80 per ft.
50-99ft. $2.10 per ft.
100+ft. $1.85 per ft.
ft.




24 AWG Solid Fine Silver wire with clear Teflon coating
0-49ft. $2.70 per ft.
50-99ft. $2.05 per ft.
100+ft. $1.80 per ft.
ft.




26 AWG Solid Fine Silver wire with clear Teflon coating
0-49ft. $2.60 per ft.
50-99ft. $2.00 per ft.
100+ft. $1.75 per ft.
ft.




30 AWG Solid Fine Silver wire with clear Teflon coating
0-49ft. $2.55 per ft.
50-99ft. $1.95 per ft.
100+ft. $1.70 per ft.

DarqueKnight

I have some silver/copper interconnects and speaker cables that I use in my home office, home theater, and master bedroom systems. They are the Silverline series made in Denmark by DSR.

Which sounds better to me (silver vs. copper) depends on the associated equipment.

i4gotmyid

that can be an expensive tweek...hmmm wonder if my wife wont notice a necklace or two missing...wonder if gold will work too

RuSsMaN

Before the tweek here, make sure you secretly mark all the drivers, in case someone tries to switch them on you.

Right?

har_navalta

wonder if gold will work too

The best conductor is gold, frequency and power travels not even tens of a second nothing bit gold, it will create crystal clear clean sound no question about that (most expensive metal) I wonder if there is company uses gold as interconnect cables.

Secondly SILVER.
There is a company makes pure 99.99% silver speaker wire and interconnects they also offers DIY projects.

I want my 1.2TL to sound the best possible. I will give it a try to upgrade the internal wiring to 99.99% silver with clear Teflon insulation. The cost will be $180.00 one speaker.

Also they offer:

Audio Grade Silver Solder $7.95 / oz
The 4% silver content of this solder is about twice that of most silver solders. This is the best sounding solder they have found regardless of price.

kureboy99

Actually rhodium is the most conductive material...the cost would be too high to manufacture cables though...maybe one day they will have hybrid cables with copper and rhodium, who knows...would be cool though. All they have now is rhodium plated connectors for RCA plugs and speaker cable connectors.

F1nut

Kureboy is 100% correct. They also have IEC sockets available.

HBombToo

who knows what will happen but it looks like we are at a low... get in now



1/4 Twin


oops... now the link

http://www.kitco.com/charts/rhodium.html

har_navalta

I don't know about you but for replacing the internal wiring of the 1.2TL I will go with the 99.99% silver with clear Teflon insulation.

Speaking of Interconnects rhodium plated connectors for RCA plugs and speaker cable connectors combined with 99.99% silver
I will go with these cables nothing else.

http://www.homegrownaudio.com/lace.htm

http://www.homegrownaudio.com/speaker_silverlace.html

har_navalta

Homegrown Audio claims the most conductive material is silver.

"silver is the most conductive material available (regardless of cost)."

F1nut

Nope, they are wrong. Rhodium is tops.....that's why they plate over their silver with it.

har_navalta

They are plated over it to make it strong and durable especially at contacts only and not the wire itself. I am not arguing which one will be but to upgrade the internal wiring and that the best way to go (to me) is there Silver with clear Teflon insulation.

F1nut

Well, as far as good wire goes for audio, you only have copper and silver anyway.

F1nut

Har,

I've been thinking about this and you need to do the right thing about the deal with Doro before you start upgrading anything. So far you've totally ignored the entire topic. There are a lot of people here (including me) who know the story and are not pleased with you. You're not doing yourself any favors by pretending nothing happened. You've taken the time to help out many people here over the years and even gone out of your way at times, so why spoil it now?

Man up!!!

Jesse

har_navalta

I don't really care, I know this is your idea. My feeling is positive...you can say whatever you want to say...

hoosier21

Originally posted by har_navalta
I don't really care, I know this is your idea. My feeling is positive...you can say whatever you want to say...

sounds like wango to me, Harry step up and do the right thing

F1nut

Harry,

You don't really care about **** another forum member? What is my idea? HAVE YOU LOST YOUR MIND???


"sounds like wango to me, Harry step up and do the right thing."

And Olenan and Katya too.....they are all har_navalta.

The truth Har is that I don't care anymore. I thought you were a friend and a stand up guy. I see by your words and actions that is not the case. It's your hole, you dug it, you get to live in it.

har_navalta

Not my hole it's your hole. I don't want to open this topic but...

bdaley6509

Can you please post the whole dispute...I'm lost.
thanks.

kureboy99

I think we shouldn't open that can of worms personally...let's just let it be and move forward.

madmax

It seems to me that bringing up this topic (of which I have no idea what it is) is wrong unless the specifics are discussed. People could walk off thinking the "deal" was far worse or not as bad as it really is and place the wrong blame in the wrong place. Does that make any sense? I mean, it could be a $5 shipping dispute or a rip off of hundreds of dollars. That is my 0.02.
madmax

RuSsMaN

It was about $100, and if Har doesn't care to explain, and the forum wants the details, I'll divulge all tomorrow AM. I'm just totally whipped right now, and thinking of this scenario whips me even further.

Once again, as Mark has stated, it's not really about the money, but the principle. Har's actions are unforgiveable, esp since he has shown ZERO remorse.

Oh, and F Har, btw.

Cheers,
Russ

F1nut

From Doro's post in the Flea Market........


"That is what made the recent failed deal with you Har even more odd. The AI-1 interface cable that you made for some of us was in fact outstanding, and I was one of those money back receipients. Your help and time on that was always appreciated, and well deserved. That was a totally selfless project you created.

Why would you then let a shipping problem totally change your head? You did not stand up to your end of the bargain, and took a total strangers word over a fellow Polkie....a Polkie that you had good relations with at that point. A Polkie that really enjoyed the hat that your wife made for him....a Polkie that really enjoyed hearing about your nice collection of vintage Polk's. Amazing how you would go Mr. Hyde on me.

From the beginning you had a "secret" deal with that individual, and you turn around and blame me for the error that was decided by YOU....YOU chose the shipping method, I fronted the money. Priority Mail is NOT a well handled way to ship, its just like anything else....just faster. No insurance.....not properly packed...and thats my freaking fault?!! Yea its my fault for "trusting you" as you so eloquently stated in an email to me.

Every time I see your name it makes me ill, and I really wish I would put the time in to finish my write up on our deal for the forum to view and comment upon. Why don't you start being a man at some point, and just apologize for a deal gone south....it was never about money, it's about principle."

madmax

I must have missed that one when it was posted. It is always bad for someone when there is no insurance and something happens.

There IS a cost of doing business. Usually it lands on the seller because once he receives payment he is the one in control.

madmax

RuSsMaN

There is SO much more Chuck.

dorokusai

I will post a synopsis of the transaction later, in another thread, I am too tired at the moment. Russ hit the nail on the head.

har_navalta

I don't mind whatever you want to probe in here. That is why
you guys don't want to stop because all of you are guilty. You want to probe to this forum that you are not a thieves? Looks like
you own this Forum...you want to control it.

This is for everyone...to share some ideas about audio NOT like these...

You don't respect others rights.

You swear.

and many other things you want to say.

Very rude?

You told some people here that you don't want to go away.
"you are not belong here" what is that?

You are like Saddam Insane...

har_navalta

Owners of 1.2TL email me here: har_navalta@hotmail.com if you need some info. for these upgrades,
if you are interested.

Btw, thanks C for the input. That will be a good choice too.

RuSsMaN

No no no.

You effin' moron, are you really THIS dense? YOU accused another member of theft. YOU went behind another members back. YOU didn't hold up YOUR end of the deal.

Quit trying to put a spin on it, and act like the victim. We look out for each other around here, you should know that.

F YOU Har.

Clear enough?

Har and Mark saw a set of 8 6503 drivers for sale on ebay. I think the auction closed without any bids. Har and Mark got in contact with each other, and with the seller, and reached an agreed price.

Har then asked Mark to front ALL the money to pay for the drivers, and ship him his (Hars) share once they arrived. Mark was generous enough to front the money.

Drivers arrive, most are seized. Mark emails Har to tell him the news, Har then tells Mark how he knows that he is lying. Har accuses Mark of taking all the good drivers, and switching Har's share with bad drivers that Mark already had.

Get this, then Har tells Mark that he (har) notified the seller secretly, and had him make a small marking on all the drivers, but not to tell Mark - just so he could be sure Mark didn't switch them.

Har NEVER made good on his end of the deal, and refused to pay Mark what Mark was due. Now Mark is left holding the bag, and Har continues to 'ladi-dah' around the forum as if nothing ever happened.

That's the jist of it, pretty effin sorry in my book.

-Russ