"What difference does it make!"
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in the immortal words of Hillary Clinton.. "what difference does it make!" if i just use my ps3 to play all my blu rays and cd's compared to specific components?
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I sold my PS3 and bought a Sony bdp s-790 and it was a nice upgrade in picture and sound quality. I use my Xbox for video games anyways so it made sense to me, the PS3 isn't a bad player but you can gain from upgrading.
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Not much at all as long as your using HDMI out.Dan
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in the immortal words of Hillary Clinton.. "what difference does it make!" if i just use my ps3 to play all my blu rays and cd's compared to specific components?
None, if you have actually compared different components and can't tell a difference, or if you are happy with your PS3 and can blissfully live in a safe bubble of contentment.
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Erik Tracy wrote: »None, if you have actually compared different components and can't tell a difference...
Best answer yet.
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If that's what you want to do, go for it, you're the one that has to listen to it.
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i havent really compared..
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i havent really compared..
Then it really doesn't matter to you. Quit now, don't invite any of these guys over, and you're golden. Have fun. -
in the immortal words of Hillary Clinton.. "what difference does it make!" if i just use my ps3 to play all my blu rays and cd's compared to specific components?
The PS3 is a decent source but in a world where there are sources that cost $10K (or more) it's all relevant to how much money you have, how critical you are, the quality of rest of your gear, etc. Today, where 90% of young people are happy with MP3 quality played on devices that don't even do that format justice, it's kind of a loaded question. Like asking what difference does it make if you drive a Prius or a BMW. It's a 100% personal issue.
EDIT: By 'decent' I'm implying 'fair'.2 channel - Willsenton R8 tube integrated, Holo Audio Spring 3 KTE DAC, audio optimized NUC7i5, Windows 10 Pro/JRiver MC29/Fidelizer Plus 8.7 w/LPS and external SSD drive, PS Audio PerfectWave P3 regenerator, KEF R3 speakers, Rythmik F12SE subwoofer, Audioquest Diamond USB cable, Gabriel Gold IC's, Morrow Audio SP5 speaker cables. Computer - Windows 10/JRiver, Schiit Magni 3+/Modi 3+, Fostex PMO.4n monitors, Sennheiser HD600 headphones -
PS3 doesn't even place in my top 5
But I don't see any reason for you not to use it...
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in the immortal words of Hillary Clinton.. "what difference does it make!" if i just use my ps3 to play all my blu rays and cd's compared to specific components?
Good way to hold on to your wallet; which is something most of us, here, can't do. As they say "everything" matters! I have a PS3 and a couple of BDPs besides but when I want to listen to my CDs on the top system, I break out the Jolida CDP. There "is" a difference.
You could, I suppose, use the PS3 as a transport to a DAC and up your CD sound in this way. As far as playing CDs on a PS3, passable, at best. Video-wise, better than CD play, but certainly not the last word in BDPs these days.
As Mr. Grand suggests, you're OK for now!
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I would tink it depends on therest of the setup.
No need to use a $1000 universal player with a nice dac if it's going thru a $300 AVR.
What do you run this PS3 through? That would be a big decider.
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The ps3 is a horrible transport and cd's sounded garbage with hdmi compared to a denon bdp2500 I had for comparison so hdmi does not sound the same
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I disagree. My oppo was a huge improvement over my PS3. Both with HDMI out.Not much at all as long as your using HDMI out.
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I disagree. My oppo was a huge improvement over my PS3. Both with HDMI out.
But there are those here that will state it can't make a difference when using HDMI. For what it's worth, I believe you because not only am I bad and nationwide, I'm now influential as well.Political Correctness'.........defined
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10k blu ray player i'll have to lookinto that.. but just upgraded to lsi25's and lci c with monitor 70 series 2 for rears powered by an adcom gfa7805 using denon 4310ci for a preamp and ps3 for the player..
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But there are those here that will state it can't make a difference when using HDMI. For what it's worth, I believe you because not only am I bad and nationwide, I'm now influential as well.
I'll agree that it makes a difference. When I took my PS3 out and put in my Oppo (and the previous Marantz UD5007) there was a huge improvement in Video quality and much better sound quality (all through HDMI).
Keeping in mind my "fat" PS3 could not bitstream audio so it had to do the processing itself...
But even with the Oppo, if I bitstream or PCM the audio, it always sounds better than the PS3 ever did. -
hmm, good question
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But there are those here that will state it can't make a difference when using HDMI. For what it's worth, I believe you because not only am I bad and nationwide, I'm now influential as well.POLK SDA 2.3 TLS BOUGHT NEW IN 1990, Gimpod/Sonic Caps/Mills RDO-198
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in the immortal words of Hillary Clinton.. "what difference does it make!" if i just use my ps3 to play all my blu rays and cd's compared to specific components?i havent really compared..
If you haven't done the homework, how do you expect to know the answer to your question ?HT SYSTEM-
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I am also using PS3 for blue rays. I have been debating to go to Oppo, but then personally at least for me I cannot justify that extra money I would have to spend. I am happy with the PS3 as I have it hooked up via HDMI. But, the day it breaks, I will go for an Oppo and will connect with components... lets see when that happens
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Hanging around on Mars makes you interplanetary and Omnipotent also
LOL...thanks, I'll have to remember that.Political Correctness'.........defined
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Sounds more like Dr. Manhattan.
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To the OP: So long as the player doesn't mess with the source levels (and PS3 has been benchmarked by Secrets and doesn't), you shouldn't get a different picture from one to the other with Blu-rays. The video (and lossless audio formats) is sent to the display as packetized data with error correction, which excludes it from things like jitter that affect quality the way they would with analog video. Also, since it is packetized data, the biggest influence on the picture quality is the decoding in your display itself... and again, so long as each player doesn't alter the source levels, there should be no difference from one player to the other (save for conversion from 24fps to 30, but if your set accepts 1080p/24, that's not going to matter either). So as far as actual Blu-ray playback goes over HDMI, you won't see much difference, and if you're bitstreaming the lossless formats to your AVR over HDMI, there can be no difference in audio quality.
Other factors such as CD playback, PCM soundtracks, etc. that are subject to jitter, as well as upscaling or deinterlacing of DVD may benefit from a better player. In fact, if you look at that link to Secrets' benchmark, the PS3 is fairly awful as an upscaling DVD player and fails most of the tests for deinterlacing.Equipment list:
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Erik Tracy wrote: »None if you can't tell a difference.
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The Playstation 3 makes for a fantastic CD player. The cell processor alone in the Ps3 I assume would be unmatched by any standalone CD player. And a huge plus is the upsampling abilities can take typical 48khz and output 176.4khz if your receiver can accept it. The difference in sound quality is incredible. If you have a ps3 and haven't changed this setting already its in the music settings. Don't think because its a video game console it can't be good for anything else, these units are built with high quality components and profited by the high volume of sales. Im not making any comparisons here, I realize there is "better" players but the Playstation is a amazing maching. Just sayin.Oh, Listen here mister. We got no way of understandin' this world. But we got as much sense of this bird flyin in the sky. Now there is a lot that bird don't know, but it don't change the fact that the world is happening to him all the same. What I am tryin to say is, is that the course of your life, well its changing, and you don't even see it- Forest Bondurant
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I watched a blu ray the other night, Sinister, with the PS3. Picture and sound were as good as I'm accustomed to with the Sony BDP-S590 that I use on a regular basis. Feels silly using the video game controller as a remote control for blu ray, but performance seemed to be identical. Haven't tried any CDs.
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kuntasensei wrote: »To the OP: So long as the player doesn't mess with the source levels (and PS3 has been benchmarked by Secrets and doesn't), you shouldn't get a different picture from one to the other with Blu-rays. The video (and lossless audio formats) is sent to the display as packetized data with error correction, which excludes it from things like jitter that affect quality the way they would with analog video. Also, since it is packetized data, the biggest influence on the picture quality is the decoding in your display itself... and again, so long as each player doesn't alter the source levels, there should be no difference from one player to the other (save for conversion from 24fps to 30, but if your set accepts 1080p/24, that's not going to matter either). So as far as actual Blu-ray playback goes over HDMI, you won't see much difference, and if you're bitstreaming the lossless formats to your AVR over HDMI, there can be no difference in audio quality.
Other factors such as CD playback, PCM soundtracks, etc. that are subject to jitter, as well as upscaling or deinterlacing of DVD may benefit from a better player. In fact, if you look at that link to Secrets' benchmark, the PS3 is fairly awful as an upscaling DVD player and fails most of the tests for deinterlacing.
That Secrets review is 5 years old, so I am wondering how the review would be with the current firmware version?Front Speakers: Polk Audio LSi15 x 2
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True, but I don't know that they're doing player benchmarks anymore. Regardless, I can't imagine they've improved DVD playback that much since then, since I doubt it's a priority for them (though I would guess that any changes in DVD playback would be noted in their firmware update notes). Still, the point remains that strictly for Blu-rays, there shouldn't be a difference except in how it handles any conversion from 24fps.That Secrets review is 5 years old, so I am wondering how the review would be with the current firmware version?Equipment list:
Onkyo TX-NR3010 9.2 AVR
Emotiva XPA-3 amp
Polk RTi70 mains, CSi40 center, RTi38 surrounds, RTi28 rears and heights
SVS 20-39CS+ subwoofer powered by Crown XLS1500
Oppo BDP-93 Blu-ray player
DarbeeVision DVP5000 video processor
Epson 8500UB 1080p projector
Elite Screens Sable 120" CineWhite screen -
Don't want to get burned at the stake here guys, but I feel the older "fat" PS3 performed surprisingly well as a CDP. It was never my primary, but my girlfriend would use it every now and then as a source. Gotta say... it really wasn't that shabby and certainly delivered much more than your average DVD/Blu-ray/etc player when used in this capacity. Don't go in expecting a "giant killer" by any means, but don't stay up at night if you have to use this model of PS3 as a source in between components or while something may be in the shop.
Of course, this does not apply to the superslim model that currently exists. This is obviously due to cheaper parts.I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore
