Again? Really?? 20 School Children Dead In Connecticut

teekay0007

transmaster wrote: »

Blah, Blah, Blah,Blah, Teekay ask a parent who will have to bury their 6 year old child about school security.

Tranny, the whole ordeal at the elementary school transpired in about three minutes - THREE MINUTES! You just cannot protect everyone in our society today against everything. Even if the school had a metal detector at the door, who's to say he wouldn't have shot the person running it and went about his plan? As it was, two people - truly selfless heroes who's actions likely saved many others' lives - reportedly confronted him physically and they are thought to have been his first two victims. Even a cop with a holstered gun may have met the same fate. My point to you was simply that having an armed security officer at every school is just NOT a practical solution. Sadly, there's always going to be people like this person in our society who are often indistiguishable from any "safe" person until they've done whatever heinous act they were planning to do.

janmike

Prayers sent to all. I could barely read to news release.

Toolfan66

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster


Stuff like this has been going on for years this one is in 1927

Do a goggle search on school shootings it has been happening world wide for 100 years. Yesterday my heart fell to the floor, that poor community, parents this time of year. They will never be the same and Christmas will forever have a dark cloud over it for them..

I have not been able to comprehend what they must feel!!

ken brydson

I feel for all of the victims and families but I need send my heart out to the first responders as well. No amount of training could have prepared them for what they witnessed first hand. I mentioned in an earlier post that I had family in the area. My brother in law just posted the info for donations if you are so inclined....

Sandy Hook School Support Fund
c/o Newtown Savings Bank
39 Main Street, Newtown CT 06470

tonyb

The wife called my daughter last night to have her bring the grandkids by. When asked why, she responds that she and I just wanted to give them a hug. So she did...and we hugged and had a good time.

I assume parents all over the country/world for that matter, will give their kids a hug and hold them alittle tighter. Whats more important than that ? If we can understand that this type of behavior isn't just an on/off switch, and more so a process that happens over time then hopefully in the future more parents will pay attention to what their kids are exposed to at home and at school.

txcoastal1

At least this one was prevented

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/15/oklahoma-teen-arrested-in-school-shooting-plot/

Its becoming easier for the youth to fall into introverted society and a state reclusiveness, they shut down and get lost. Everyone in the family is busy. Parents are more protective to even let their kids run down the street alone. I don't know the answer because things have changed so much in the last 20,30,40 years, but its not just guns...hell we used to be able to run around the streets with BB guns and every kid on the block had one.

My mother who worked retail all her life mentioned a couple years ago about bringing back the blue laws so everyone would stop and slow down for at least one day of the week.

Sorry for the families who have dealt with these tragedies....so just rambling thoughts

izafar

This is extremely sad and heart breaking, and this has hit hard as it happened in our neighboring town. Cant comprehend how one can hurt kids this young.

dkg999

Freedom has a cost, and a free society must always be vigilant and ready to defend themselves against those that would misuse those freedoms to harm others. You cannot legislate the protection of free people, they must turn to themselves to preserve and maintain their freedom. Copyright 2012 Niner8Zulu Consulting

Sorry for the copyright, however I get tired of seeing stuff from my blogs and social media feeds getting used elsewhere without permission. You can blame whatever you want for the school shooting(s), however as has been stated many times in this thread, the root causes are complex and not easily understood or fixed. It's up to all of us to help protect our kids from acts of violence like happened.

steveinaz

There is no protection from the insane; in ANY society.

heiney9

dkg999 wrote: »

It's up to all of us to help protect our kids from acts of violence like happened.

I agree with a lot of what you've said Doug, but the above statement can't happen. You send your 5-6-7 year old kids to school where they are supposed to be safe from the most evil and deranged people and still, what could any of those parents who lost their children have done to further protect those kids against what happened?

Not a rhetorical question, how could a parent protect against what happened? Beyond locking their kids inside their home and never letting them have the freedom you talked about.

tonyb

Agreed Steve, but there is personal protection and I fail to see how eliminating that aspect is of benefit to anyone. It saddens me to see the spin put on victims of this crime for political ends. How far we have sunk as a society still frightens me.

tonyb

Brock, yes we protect our kids when in our care but you off hand that resposibility when you send them to school. We have government programs that help pay for security systems even armed police at schools, but the guy in the big chair cut those programs. Won't see that on the 10 o'clock news.

Now, that may or may not even prevent the insane from still doing screwed up stuff like this. Like Steve said, once out in public, are you ever really safe from the insane ? Your not even safe from the insane in your own home. Might be best to look at society in general for the answers rather than point fingers at gun control.

dkg999

Brock - that was the collective "all of us" as in parents, teachers, non-parents, etc. In this day in age we tend to not get involved in our communities, nieghborhoods, etc., which fosters the isolationism that seems to also be common among these killers.

mrbigbluelight

steveinaz wrote: »

There is no protection from the insane; in ANY society.

Although we can take measures, I agree Steve: there is no absolute protection from the insane unless we wish to live in a gulag.
In a gulag, the barbarians outside the fence are often of less danger than the guards inside the fence.

This monstrous act could have, and would have been made much worse by inaction of those immediately on the scene. THEY chose to take action, THEY chose to respond. NOT "we have to wait and see what the authorities want us to do". And for their true heroism, God bless them. Some put their convictions to the ultimate test and even those who lost their lives in doing so, they won.

It also takes some courage, IMO, to try to understand what went wrong with the perpetrator, to figure out the "Why ?". This doesn't mean sympathizing with him, but if we figure out the "Why ?", then we're a long way towards preventing this type of horror in the future.
My son and I were talking last night, and he said one thing that really stuck with me: "The guy was broke".
We figure out how the guy got broke, and we accomplish something. We figure out how to prevent others from breaking, and to fix those who are broke, and we accomplish a great deal.
That truly accomplishes something as opposed to a ban on "military-style assault rifles" (news headline phrase of the day).

maximillian

Crazys are everywhere, and not surprisingly they have very bad taste.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/16/st-rose-of-lima-evacuation_n_2312070.html

Really? Two days after this tragedy some **** makes this idle threat? The church is only 1 mile away from the school. And there were two other school shooting threats made on Friday (Oklahoma and Indiana). What is wrong with these people?

John777

I CRIED. Hangings on the court house lawn will maybe end some of this

steveinaz

Deterrents obviously don't work for these morons, since they usually commit suicide after the carnge is over. We're struggling to apply some logic, to an illogical crime. You cannot defend, nor forsee these types of acts--because they are basically ambushes. It's not like preparing for a weather "event" where you have some forewarning, and you can prepare. We have to ask ourselves, do we want to be a "locked down" society? Is security more important to us than freedom? I know for me personally the answer is NO to both.

What we can do is return to a society where we hold each other responsible, return discipline to the home and school system, and we address problems HEAD-ON, rather than searching for a pill to make everything alright. These problems are problems brought on by the errosion of our core values as Americans. Family, honesty, integrity, pride, perseverence, discipline, and structure.

In the past, you were the "shy" kid---now, you're the mass murderer. Why is this? We don't teach our children coping skills anymore, so they cannot COPE. When we provide everything, and address every single little "need" or desire, we rob our children of learning how to cope with some things. Coping is a learned skill, if we don't allow our children to solve the simpler problems in life, they never learn to laugh at themselves---and get over it. They never learn humility---everything is a CRISIS. Helicopter parents, you taking notes?

stubby

So who's in charge of determining how crazy is crazy enough to lose your 2nd Ammendment rights? The government? The NRA? Should we test children in kindergarten for signs of aggression, or look at the "one in the corner by himself", and say "Yeah, no guns for that one."
Talk about a slippery slope. But that is basically what we are talking about.

steveinaz

Stubby, it's a knee-jerk emotional reaction from the type of people who believe you can "ban" crime. It's appealing because it's a simple concept; unfortunately it doesn't work. There is NO legislation either existing or proposed, that would have stopped this tragedy.

dkg999

Unfortunately people have a right to be crazy, or lead an alternative lifestyle, or withdraw from society. We can argue about how much taxpayers should have to contribute or pay for them to have that right, but that's another discussion. Hopefully more accurate information will come out on the shooter.

sucks2beme

Sadly enough, welcome to the human condition.
We are all slightly crazy. It's the over the top crazy we have to
watch out for.
A quick check of the tv show about preppers pretty much confirms this.
There is being ready for an emergency, then there's just plain bat **** crazy.

exalted512

Funny how this story was never told
http://www.therightperspective.org/2012/12/16/gun-owner-confronted-oregon-mall-shooter/

goofyGAguy

exalted512 wrote: »

Funny how this story was never told
http://www.therightperspective.org/2012/12/16/gun-owner-confronted-oregon-mall-shooter/

It doesn't fit the narrative that guns are only used to kill people.

steveinaz

Loads of media bias, as expected---I don't know how Soledad O'Brien even calls herself a reporter with her obvious slant when she interviews people. This morning, an expert wasn't apparently telling her what she wanted to hear (it's the guns fault), and she kept trying to steer him that way; she was quite frustrated.

The Constitution, read it, know it, live it. Without it...we're nothing.

Fongolio

MORGAN FREEMAN ON THE SHOOTINGS YESTERDAY: Tell us what YOU think.....

"You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here's why.

It's because of the way
the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single victim of Columbine? Disturbed people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.

CNN's article says that if the body count "holds up", this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don't sell. So congratulations*, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.

You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem."

dkg999

I thought the Morgan Freeman statement had been debunked and wasn't accurate?

exalted512

It's not accurate. According to snopes.com, it was just a facebook user's post gone viral
-Cody

falconcry72

exalted512 wrote: »

It's not accurate. According to snopes.com, it was just a facebook user's post gone viral
-Cody

Not accurate, as in Morgan Freeman didn't say it, or not accurate, as in the media's sensationalism of mass killings does not play a role in the motives of mass killers?

exalted512

Not accurate as in MF didn't say it. I completely agree with the message.
-Cody

wayne3burk

Has anyone questioned why a middle aged mother of 2 has two 9mm handguns and an assault rifle registered in her name?

Was she going to use them to fight off the Zombie hoard?

Did the imbalanced son talk her into buying them?

How long did she own them?

Was she a "gun enthusiast"?

I know we all have 2nd Amendment - but I mean really, if you know your son is unstable put the damn things under lock and key.