EMOTIVA Catalog
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The parts are harder to find, bought in smaller numbers, and built in smaller numbers.We buy Cisco for core, cheaper stuff where we can?
My post seems to have drawn some fire, but before I get labeled an ?emo lover? please note I have a thread from a few months back where I ranked my upgrades in terms of bang for buck and the XPA-3 came in dead last. I did not notice any change to my sound after adding it. It?s just another component in my system ? I have no emotional ties to it?.nor do I care what other people buy.
The question I asked in my post was why are amps so expensive? Yes we buy Cisco, IBM, Netapp whatever, but the stuff we buy gets smaller, faster, cheaper and has more features. Amps don?t seem to change that often, but the prices remain constant. I?m used to a natural downward trend in price for my electronics?
Design costs more due to this. The discrete component approach used, the better physical
build, and look/feel are $$$. And they don't use the direct to consumer model.
This is likely to change and that would reduce prices by 40-60%.
The inflation adjusted cost of better gear hasn't changed much. But cheap gear is cheaper than ever."The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson -
I've done some headphone amp and Stax energizer builds.
IC based amps and basic DAC builds are very cheap
The better stuff costs money to put together. A lot more.
Add a nice case, and the prices shoots up even more.
But for me, the results are always worth it."The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson -
Exactly. It is a major bug in the forum software. Of course, the vendor will say it is suppossed to work that way, but it did not happen until the software was upgraded a couple of years ago.Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
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This is similar to choosing a wine is it not. What makes one bottle more expensive than another? Better ingredients, or fermentation technique. Maybe its just the attractive label. Sometimes you just want to spend more for endless reasons. Sometimes you perceive a benefit sometimes not. I enjoyed wines like audio from the low end to the most I could afford at the time.
Luxury always comes with a price tag. Not always benefits. Does a Seiko do a better job keeping time than a Timex maybe, but its certainly not why one buys it. Is a ford pickup re-badged with Lincoln emblems make it 10k bucks better, to it some does. Or my wife's designer hand bags worth the $300 or better she pays for them, well apparently. Sometime we spend more for quality or the perception of it. Sometimes its only to impress somebody else. Sometimes because we didn't know any better. Either way there is a market for you.Oh, Listen here mister. We got no way of understandin' this world. But we got as much sense of this bird flyin in the sky. Now there is a lot that bird don't know, but it don't change the fact that the world is happening to him all the same. What I am tryin to say is, is that the course of your life, well its changing, and you don't even see it- Forest Bondurant -
I've owned Emo gear. Was it bad, no, was it what I wanted for HT yes, is it what I enjoyed for 2 channel, no.
The gear itself is heavy, but some design issues IMO on the mono blocks like binding post are on either side of the amp for positive and negative (XPA-1) so thus having to get custom speaker cable etc. The sound was too bright for my tastes and I didn't enjoy it for 2 channel. HT it was fine as it would easily drive my A9's without a problem.
The problem I have with Emo is just when the owners claim what they claim. The forum over there is plagued by "if its not Emo you wasted your money" type of people and it just really is annoying. Anytime anyone mentions they wanted to go to tubes or do something different it was responded back to as "why would ever want to do that? your wasting your money, Emo is just as good as that" and never really fostered the sense of helping the person move up the chain.
It was brought up at the start of the thread that lower gear will help boost people into purchasing higher end gear. IMO this isn't always the case. WHen you have a group like the Emo fanboys who just claim its the end all of everything and there is no need then a lot of people will beleive that. Oh well he listened to it against a krell and said the Emo was just as good so I gotta beleive that.
IMO you need to have a group that understands the gear IS entry level and that to get better quality be that, parts, looks, SQ, reliablity, customer support, upgrading etc. it all is going to come at a cost. The issue you have is to some the higher cost isn't going to be worth it, to others it is. It all comes down to what is important to you, and how much do you want to spend.
I paid less than 1K more for my mono blocks that are tubed compared to the cost of the XPA-1's. IMO they succeed at producing the sound I like to the quality I like. Do I feel they perform better than the Emo's? Yes. Do I think this is the final chapter of amps? No. The thing to enjoy about this all is there are some many different paths we can go down and if you have a good forum behind you to support you on that journey it makes it easier. This forum does help foster a sense of going ahead with the ride and enjoy it. Its why I liked it so much, if you just keep telling everyone oh thats just fine don't upgrade blah blah blah it doesn't help anyone and the person just ends up settling with the sound vs trying to go find it.
Everything matters is true and how much it matters is up to you.
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Isn't Cleveland Orchestra one of those oxymoron thingys?
:question::exclaim: You have got to be kidding. They're like a top 10 outfit. Globally. -
As a previous owner I think the only question or subject that can be debated is,
Is it crap because its cheap? Or is it cheap because its crap? So dam enigmatic
PS: I did not like the sound from the Emo catalogue as I rustled through the pages -
I am considering one of their multi-channel amps for HT use....and wondering what others thoughts are on Emo for strictly HT....
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It's great for HT IMO!! You can't go wrong price wise!! I have been running a XPA-3 for what 4 years now and have not had one issue.
And I don't consider my HT entry level by any means. :cheesygrin:
I have a Pioneer SC-07 with my XPA-3 and I have nothing but thunder going off and a grin from ear to ear when I watch a movie. Works fine for me...
2 Channel ummm let's just say I have seen the other side and want to go deeper!! -
I am considering one of their multi-channel amps for HT use....and wondering what others thoughts are on Emo for strictly HT....
Shallow and tinny but bright with the highs rolled off at the top -
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The XPR-5 looks super-cool with the blue lighting effects....there's something about having 400W X 5 of power I will never need to driver 8 Ohm speakers.....I find appealing for some reason.
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I've owned Emo gear. Was it bad, no, was it what I wanted for HT yes, is it what I enjoyed for 2 channel, no.
The gear itself is heavy, but some design issues IMO on the mono blocks like binding post are on either side of the amp for positive and negative (XPA-1) so thus having to get custom speaker cable etc. The sound was too bright for my tastes and I didn't enjoy it for 2 channel. HT it was fine as it would easily drive my A9's without a problem.
The problem I have with Emo is just when the owners claim what they claim. The forum over there is plagued by "if its not Emo you wasted your money" type of people and it just really is annoying. Anytime anyone mentions they wanted to go to tubes or do something different it was responded back to as "why would ever want to do that? your wasting your money, Emo is just as good as that" and never really fostered the sense of helping the person move up the chain.
It was brought up at the start of the thread that lower gear will help boost people into purchasing higher end gear. IMO this isn't always the case. WHen you have a group like the Emo fanboys who just claim its the end all of everything and there is no need then a lot of people will beleive that. Oh well he listened to it against a krell and said the Emo was just as good so I gotta beleive that.
IMO you need to have a group that understands the gear IS entry level and that to get better quality be that, parts, looks, SQ, reliablity, customer support, upgrading etc. it all is going to come at a cost. The issue you have is to some the higher cost isn't going to be worth it, to others it is. It all comes down to what is important to you, and how much do you want to spend.
I paid less than 1K more for my mono blocks that are tubed compared to the cost of the XPA-1's. IMO they succeed at producing the sound I like to the quality I like. Do I feel they perform better than the Emo's? Yes. Do I think this is the final chapter of amps? No. The thing to enjoy about this all is there are some many different paths we can go down and if you have a good forum behind you to support you on that journey it makes it easier. This forum does help foster a sense of going ahead with the ride and enjoy it. Its why I liked it so much, if you just keep telling everyone oh thats just fine don't upgrade blah blah blah it doesn't help anyone and the person just ends up settling with the sound vs trying to go find it.
Everything matters is true and how much it matters is up to you.
Why should we worry about what goes on over at Emotiva? But then to bring their supposed animosity to other gear and apply it to anyone here who mentions Emotiva is wrong. I've never been over to Emotiva's Lounge so I don't know what their attitude is nor do I care.
Encouraging people to explore other options when they ASK what else is out there is fine, but to tell someone who just bought an Emotiva that they should sell it and get something "better" is wrong. If they are happy with it, then who are you to tell them they would be happier with something else that in 'your' opinion better is arrogant to the extreme.
The same way we leave the crowd over at Audioholics alone and don't drag any of their bad attitude in here, the same should apply to Emotiva as well. If you have nothing good to say, then perhaps it's best to say nothing rather than just raining on someones excitement when they haven't asked you for your opinion.
Continually upgrading is NOT mandatory, if people are interested in upgrading, most don't have any problem coming and asking for advice. But if they are happy with their supposed entry level gear and not interested in upgrading then leave them be.Marantz AV-7705 PrePro, Classé 5 channel 200wpc Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony XBR-49X800E TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Polk ES30 Center Channel, Polk S15 Surround Speakers SVS SB12-NSD x2 -
I am considering one of their multi-channel amps for HT use....and wondering what others thoughts are on Emo for strictly HT....
I owned an Emotiva XPA-3 and thought it was a very good amp especially for the money. For HT, I think it is a very good choice. I upgraded to a Parasound A21. Fit and Finish the Parasound is far superior and it is also a bit more refined but for more than twice the cost. For just HT, I am not sure I would have spent the extra money for the Parasound. I would think for HT, the differences would be subtle and only discernible if doing direct A / B comparisons using familiar and well recorded source material. Others may disagree but this has been my experience. YMMV.Rig1 - Totem Hawks, Benchmark HDR, Parasound A21, Sonus, Samsung 52 LCD, Audioquest Type4
Rig2 - LFD LE IV Integrated, Harbeth P3ESR, Rega Dac, MF V-Link, IMAC, Audioquest Type4 -
I don't care if they use and like emo. But what happens is a bunch come over here
and start telling us we all wasted our money and are imagining the improvement
in sound. Pretty soon they grow in numbers and you can't have a gear thread without
being ambushed by them. The sound science crowd over at head-fi
is a fine example of people who have gone over the edge. The world is flat.
We are defensive because if the trend goes on- it goes over the top. I know emo is ok
equipment for the money.But if you like Hyundais , fine.
Leave the BMW drivers alone and they'll leave you alone."The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson -
This is funny. A lot of us don't care too much for emo but in 4 days 2,700+ members have viewed this thread.:redface: I didn't get a catalog and own 3 pieces of emo gear.:sad:Main Family Room: Sony 46 LCD, Sony Blue Ray, Sony DVD/VCR combo,Onkyo TXNR 708, Parasound 5250,
Polk SDS-SRS with mods, CSI 5 center + Klipsch SC2, Polk RT2000P rears, Klipsch KG 1.5's sides, Polk Micro Pro 1000, Polk Micro Pro 2000, Polk SW505, Belkin PF60, Signal Cable Classics,Monster IC's, 2 15 amp circuits & 1 20 amp circuit.
Living Room: Belkin PF60, Parasound HCA2200, MIT ProlineEXP balanced IC's,Emotiva XDA-1 DAC/Pre,Emotiva ERC2 transport,MIT AVT2, Polk LSI 9's. -
Continually upgrading is NOT mandatory, if people are interested in upgrading, most don't have any problem coming and asking for advice. But if they are happy with their supposed entry level gear and not interested in upgrading then leave them be.
I really wanted to just sit back and watch this thread unfold but I have to ask after reading your last response... Will you be driving the same car in the next 10 years? How about 20? Perhaps it's a bit unfair to use a vehicle as a comparison but realistically, there is no difference as each does what you pay for it to do. Just more money usually gets you something better. Period. -
This is what I don't have 10-20K posts after 10 years. I don't comment on Emo threads. Oh ****, I just did....
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Why should we worry about what goes on over at Emotiva? But then to bring their supposed animosity to other gear and apply it to anyone here who mentions Emotiva is wrong. I've never been over to Emotiva's Lounge so I don't know what their attitude is nor do I care.
Encouraging people to explore other options when they ASK what else is out there is fine, but to tell someone who just bought an Emotiva that they should sell it and get something "better" is wrong. If they are happy with it, then who are you to tell them they would be happier with something else that in 'your' opinion better is arrogant to the extreme.
The same way we leave the crowd over at Audioholics alone and don't drag any of their bad attitude in here, the same should apply to Emotiva as well. If you have nothing good to say, then perhaps it's best to say nothing rather than just raining on someones excitement when they haven't asked you for your opinion.
Continually upgrading is NOT mandatory, if people are interested in upgrading, most don't have any problem coming and asking for advice. But if they are happy with their supposed entry level gear and not interested in upgrading then leave them be.
Conversely, for the Emotiva devotees to say that Emotiva's amps sound every bit as good as Pass, BAT, VTL, etc. and that people are being ripped off and duped into spending more money on higher quality (parts and build) amps is also incorrect to do (in my mind). This would mislead people from potentially hearing better sounding equipment. Obviously, this would only apply to unknowing people who haven't or can't hear the differences in amps and their sound quality (such as tone, soundstage, detail, transparency, etc., etc., etc.) Many people started out in this hobby with cheaper, lower quality equipment. How many have discovered what higher quality parts and design of amps and other equipment will make? Once you know, it's hard to listen to equipment with lower quality parts and sound (as described above). This has been my experience along with many others on this forum.
P.S. this is speaking from a 2 Channel system viewpoint. HT can be another story.
Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
"I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion."![:\](https://forum.polkaudio.com/resources/emoji/confused.png ":\")
My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....
"Green leaves reveal the heart spoken Khatru"- Jon Anderson
"Have A Little Faith! And Everything You'll Face, Will Jump From Out Right On Into Place! Yeah! Take A Little Time! And Everything You'll Find, Will Move From Gloom Right On Into Shine!"- Arthur Lee -
Still going? The Energizer Bunny will be along shortly!DKG999
HT System: LSi9, LSiCx2, LSiFX, LSi7, SVS 20-39 PC+, B&K 507.s2 AVR, B&K Ref 125.2, Tripplite LCR-2400, Cambridge 650BD, Signal Cable PC/SC, BJC IC, Samsung 55" LED
Music System: Magnepan 1.6QR, SVS SB12+, ARC pre, Parasound HCA1500 vertically bi-amped, Jolida CDP, Pro-Ject RM5.1SE TT, Pro-Ject TubeBox SE phono pre, SBT, PS Audio DLIII DAC -
By the same token, couldn't you say that the Emo owners wasted their money buying an amp when their receiver already has one ? What makes an Emo amp better than the one I already have in my receiver ? :rolleyes:
I mean really...now we are in the nonsense catagory.HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
lsi 9's -
The real question is how much will a $1000 power cord improve an $850 amp?Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
Three 20 amp circuits. -
This is still alive, really ?Speakers: SDA-1C (most all the goodies)
Preamp: Joule Electra LA-150 MKII SE
Amp: Wright WPA 50-50 EAT KT88s
Analog: Marantz TT-15S1 MBS Glider SL| Wright WPP100C Amperex BB 6er5 and 7316 & WPM-100 SUT
Digital: Mac mini 2.3GHz dual-core i5 8g RAM 1.5 TB HDD Music Server Amarra (memory play) - USB - W4S DAC 2
Cables: Mits S3 IC and Spk cables| PS Audio PCs -
I really don't think the average Emo user would spend anywhere close to $1,000 on a power cord. I'm sure there are exceptions however. I understand your point though BlueFox.
Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
"I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion."
My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....
"Green leaves reveal the heart spoken Khatru"- Jon Anderson
"Have A Little Faith! And Everything You'll Face, Will Jump From Out Right On Into Place! Yeah! Take A Little Time! And Everything You'll Find, Will Move From Gloom Right On Into Shine!"- Arthur Lee -
The real question is how much will a $1000 power cord improve an $850 amp?
How many pages ya want to fill ? lol !!!
Ya gotta laugh at this stuff !HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
lsi 9's -
SACD sounds better than vinyl!!!! :twisted:--Gary--
Onkyo Integra M504, Bottlehead Foreplay III, Denon SACD, Thiel CS2.3, NHT VT-2, VT-3 and Evolution T6, Infinity RSIIIa, SDA1C and a few dozen other speakers around the house I change in and out. -
I laid out a dozen different cables last night held them close my ear one at a time and they all sounded the sameOh, Listen here mister. We got no way of understandin' this world. But we got as much sense of this bird flyin in the sky. Now there is a lot that bird don't know, but it don't change the fact that the world is happening to him all the same. What I am tryin to say is, is that the course of your life, well its changing, and you don't even see it- Forest Bondurant
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By the same token, couldn't you say that the Emo owners wasted their money buying an amp when their receiver already has one ? What makes an Emo amp better than the one I already have in my receiver ? :rolleyes:
I mean really...now we are in the nonsense catagory.
Well now why are they not using pro amps seeing it all sounds the same right? -
I warned you!DKG999
HT System: LSi9, LSiCx2, LSiFX, LSi7, SVS 20-39 PC+, B&K 507.s2 AVR, B&K Ref 125.2, Tripplite LCR-2400, Cambridge 650BD, Signal Cable PC/SC, BJC IC, Samsung 55" LED
Music System: Magnepan 1.6QR, SVS SB12+, ARC pre, Parasound HCA1500 vertically bi-amped, Jolida CDP, Pro-Ject RM5.1SE TT, Pro-Ject TubeBox SE phono pre, SBT, PS Audio DLIII DAC -
