EMOTIVA Catalog
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I'm intrigued! When you drive to the grocery store in a $100,000 Mercedes,then drive to the same grocery store in a 25,000 Dodge Dart, Is it the same grocery store when you walk in?"Everything I ever did in my life worthwhile I caught hell for"
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No one is a 7/11 and the others is a Whole Foods.bobsauto49 wrote: »I'm intrigued! When you drive to the grocery store in a $100,000 Mercedes,then drive to the same grocery store in a 25,000 Dodge Dart, Is it the same grocery store when you walk in? -
bobsauto49 wrote: »I'm intrigued! When you drive to the grocery store in a $100,000 Mercedes,then drive to the same grocery store in a 25,000 Dodge Dart, Is it the same grocery store when you walk in?
If you're just there for the groceries, either will do. If you make up reasons to go to the store, you're likely driving a Mercedes.
Feeling me now? :cheesygrin:Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2 -
^TY^ Which one is which?:loneranger:"Everything I ever did in my life worthwhile I caught hell for"
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I can listen to Maroon 5 on a delco cheeseball stereo, or a Mark Levinson super-system, either way I'm sticking a rusty ice-pick into my eardrum afterwards...LOLSource: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
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How does one determine if a certain amp is 3 times better or 10 times better? I've seen folks throw that comment out over the years, but I've never seen anyone actually say that amp A is 10 times better than amp B. How can they, it's a ridiculous notion. Just as ridiculous as the terms "bang for the buck" and "giant killer" because everyone has a different level of affordability and there are no giant killers, only wishful dreamers.Habanero Monk wrote: »Setup the two amps in question. Get them matched up. Without the end user knowing which is which and have the listener pick out
the one that sounds best to them? Now if this follows your logic the high end amp will win, No?
I just wanted to line up your post and my response. Just because I respond to your post didn't mean that I somehow agreed with it.
I explicitly stated: one that sounds best to them. :question: -
Habanero Monk wrote: »Firstly I didn't state anything like X times better, or inversely, worse.
I don't know what is more ridiculous:
That it's unreasonable for someone to think/expect a $7000 amp should sound 7 X better than a $1000 amp. Y
There you go with that X times better thing.
Huh. I think if you took someone off the street it is not unreasonable that one of their initial reactions would be: Doesn't sound X times better. That's just an issue of educating the consumer I would think.
I put that out there as it's unreasonable to think the novice wouldn't think along those lines.
Again I'm not maintaining that a $7000 amp has to sound 7X better than a $1K amp. I am saying that put them on whatever you are using, get them matched up, and see if the difference is worth $6K to you. You started that line of thought up. Not me.
You never need to see the amps in question for an opinion to be formed. -
Blind is not a valid testing method.
Really? Why do you need to see the amps in question to make opinion on SQ? -
Habanero Monk wrote: »Really? Why do you need to see the amps in question to make opinion on SQ?
Spend some time going around some threads here. We have a wealth of info going on if one bothers to look.
http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?104973-A-Historical-Overview-of-Stereophonic-Blind-Testing&highlight=double+blindHT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
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Yeah....like the regurgitations posted on here are the correct, definitive word on anything !
(with the possible exception of Darque K's regurgitations) (they might be) 
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Well, when you do your own research and post your findings at the depth DK did.....we may listen then.HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
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Neither....they are both useless just like the conversation in this thread that started about a catalog.I know who you voted for. Where’s the KABOOM?!?! There’s supposed to be an Earth shattering KABOOM!!! -
You seen it coming too. -
Well, when you do your own research and post your findings at the depth DK did.....we may listen then.
I was referring to your proclamation that the archived threads and posts here are a wealth of info and your implication that the final word on blind tests might be found therein. :cheesygrin: -
You seen it coming too.
From miles away, from the plea that flamers might "save it". -
bobsauto49 wrote: »Look what u started Phil:rolleyes: U must have seen this comin though:cheesygrin:
My fellow Polkies did not dissapoint!!!! This thread has definitely shown many varying opinions, non of which amount to a hill of beans. Depending on how they stand Emo can be thought of as entry level, mid-fi, or even hi-end. Pretty much the same labels that the Polk speakers they are running are thought of by others. Opinions, opinions where would this place be without them."2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up. -
Funny how the ones that don't or won't try better gear are the ones that keep the flame going!!!
This of course is subjective as well. My opinion is stay on your side of the fence and I will stay on mine..
Remember nobody cares about your stick figure family!!!!
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Funny how the ones that don't or won't try better gear are the ones that keep the flame going!!!
This of course is subjective as well. My opinion is stay on your side of the fence and I will stay on mine..
Remember nobody cares about your stick figure family!!!!
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That's what drives the high noses crazy, trying to convince everyone else that they know what is better & they get called on it & they don't have any fall back plan."2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up.
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I am not positive, but I am fairly sure that I did not see anyone in this thread say that an Emo amps are the best out there. Why is it when someone brings up Emo, the "have's" immediately start slinging crap? Just the mention of it gets negative comments around here that nobody asked for really. I could see if someone was touting Emo amps as the end all out there and that everyone should rush out and buy one. And someone setting them straight that there are better/other alternatives to look at. But damn...
I have never heard any Emo gear. I would like to try some out though. Many here do not have the dough to lay down for expensive high end gear. Many, like me, get by with what they can. Why is that so hard for some to understand?--Gary--
Onkyo Integra M504, Bottlehead Foreplay III, Denon SACD, Thiel CS2.3, NHT VT-2, VT-3 and Evolution T6, Infinity RSIIIa, SDA1C and a few dozen other speakers around the house I change in and out. -
"That's what drives the high noses crazy, trying to convince everyone else that they know what is better & they get called on it & they don't have any fall back plan."
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Habanero Monk wrote: »Really? Why do you need to see the amps in question to make opinion on SQ?
I don't believe in blind testing as they are notoriously misleading. Do you really think a SS receiver sounds the same as a pair of OTL tube mono blocks? That was the actual result of a blind test and clearly demonstrates that blind testing for audio is completely worthless.
If the sound is not pleasing I don't care what the brand name is or what it may look like, I'm not going to make my ears suffer. It's a shame more people don't trust their hearing because that's the bottom line, always!Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
pearsall001 wrote: »That's what drives the high noses crazy, trying to convince everyone else that they know what is better & they get called on it & they don't have any fall back plan.
This from a guy who has never heard any of their products referring to people that have.pearsall001 wrote:Having never heard an Emo amp I can't pass judgement.
Yeah Phil, fall back on that.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
Who exactly is the arbiter elegantiarum as to what is "better" ? Better than what ?
Honestly I'm just here for the fun of this thread as I really don't care what one chooses in this hobby. If that's what it is to you? If you like EMO so be it ( I do own one of their amps it's in my HT )
We all make our own choices based on many factors, enjoy the ones you make cause that's all that matters.. -
I don't believe in blind testing as they are notoriously misleading. Do you really think a SS receiver sounds the same as a pair of OTL tube mono blocks? That was the actual result of a blind test and clearly demonstrates that blind testing for audio is completely worthless.
If the sound is not pleasing I don't care what the brand name is or what it may look like, I'm not going to make my ears suffer. It's a shame more people don't trust their hearing because that's the bottom line, always!
Jesse, what a load of crap! Can you imagine if someone here posted that they compared an Emo amp to others such as Krell, Pass, McIntosh, MF etc, etc, in an actual listening comparison in there system & actually preferred the Emo over the others that poor guy would have his arse ripped to shreds by guys here claiming he doesn't have a clue. Hell I've posted that I didn't find the need for a separate pre after doing comparisons with my AVR & I was just as happy with my AVR as the Krell & CJ tube pre. I was ridiculed to no end because of what my ears confirmed. Oh & by the way I did have the Emo CD player in my system for a week on it's tour & it was very, very good."2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up. -
I'd venture a guess that if Emos had come out of the gate costing 6-8 thousand bucks, a lot of the haters here would have been fanboy-lovers instead ! If a new krell were a measly grand......it'd be junk.
Once again you have totally missed the point. That's nothing new, however."Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul! -
bobsauto49 wrote: »Look what u started Phil:rolleyes: U must have seen this comin though:cheesygrin:
Of course he did"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul! -
Even the Emo boys will be looking down their noses at the low budget power I'm currently running.:loneranger:
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I don't believe in blind testing as they are notoriously misleading. Do you really think a SS receiver sounds the same as a pair of OTL tube mono blocks? That was the actual result of a blind test and clearly demonstrates that blind testing for audio is completely worthless.
If the sound is not pleasing I don't care what the brand name is or what it may look like, I'm not going to make my ears suffer. It's a shame more people don't trust their hearing because that's the bottom line, always!
Link please. My point being you shouldn't need to know the label/make/model/manu to determine if something is pleasing to you (or not). When I make it up to Cleveland for the orchestra I'm not bugging the first chair of the Cello's for what Cello they are using. -
Not always. I've heard $3,000 and $10,000 CDPs that sounded pretty bad. There is no direct correlation between price and quality. As far as cables go, yeah, the ones that come with your DVD player are junk. But you don't always need to spend crazy money for good sound as not every expensive cable sounds good.And jealousy is what drives some to think that an $800 amp is as good as a $6000 amp, or cheapo cable works just as well as much more expensive cable."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
