EMOTIVA Catalog

mrbiron

I didn't know this forum was stuffed to the rafters with 1%'ers. I really feel out of place.

We're at the point of comparing Krell and Classe to Emotiva...WTF?!?!
Kinda pathetic how the word "Emotiva" brings the out the high and mighties just the $hit on it. Go back to your monocles, tophats and $1000 dollar bottles of scotch. Not everyone has bachelor money.

pearsall001

F1nut wrote: »

Thanks Greg, at least someone here still appreciates my warped sense of humor. :twisted:

Hey, I still love you too!!!! You warped, sick, ****. :eek::loneranger:

ViperZ

F1nut wrote: »

What's the matter, did I call your baby ugly?

You haven't contributed a single objective argument or a fact to this thread, just personal attacks. Congrats.

Habanero Monk

F1nut wrote: »

How does one determine if a certain amp is 3 times better or 10 times better?

Setup the two amps in question. Get them matched up. Without the end user knowing which is which and have the listener pick out
the one that sounds best to them? Now if this follows your logic the high end amp will win, No?

tonyb

Habanero Monk wrote: »

Setup the two amps in question. Get them matched up. Without the end user knowing which is which and have the listener pick out
the one that sounds best to them? Now if this follows your logic the high end amp will win, No?

Maybe....but how much better is the subjective point. 3 times....5 times ? How do you determine ? Everyone has a different measuring stick.

Habanero Monk

tonyb wrote: »

Maybe....but how much better is the subjective point. 3 times....5 times ? How do you determine ? Everyone has a different measuring stick.

That's the easy part is it not? Right now I would put them on my speakers since they are my point of reference. Give them a fair evaluation (this is the not seeing them part and make sure the output is the same) and if at the end I pick the high end piece I have to simply make the conscious decision if what I heard is worth the cost.

If I can not determine a preference then I have saved some money. Isn't that what Emotiva is banking on? Honestly it just sounds like sour grapes.

Habanero Monk

All I know is that I went to the Parts Express Tent Sale (~2 hours from me so an easy drive) and I met some really talented speaker designers and none of them had anything bad to say about Emotiva. A few guys are even running pro-audio amps and are quite happy with them. That is one of the reasons I ended up with a Yamaha amp for my LSi9's.

SDA1C

I would like to see a collaboration between Polk and Emotiva for the same reasons MIT and Polk got together. It would be great to have an in house demo of the so called "Imposter" to see firsthand if there is a real difference or just bloated opinions. Personally I think the Emo looks like an Emo LOL. Rather, the casing and shiny flashing lights more befitted a dorm room than next to my Sunfire but as we all try to B.S. our selves into believing...only the sound matters and looks and style have nothing to do with it ....riiiiiight. My wife is the queen of frugal to put it mildly. When I suggested we look at Emo for her classroom sound equipment she said "I would rather keep my vintage Technics than that cheap looking $hi7." That right there says it will never break the threshold of my home but I would risk sneaking it in, and the possible couch dwellings, to have a real and objective listen.

SDA1C

Habanero Monk wrote: »

Setup the two amps in question. Get them matched up. Without the end user knowing which is which and have the listener pick out
the one that sounds best to them? Now if this follows your logic the high end amp will win, No?

This is called double blind testing and is strictly prohibited as a means with which to test audio equipment. Entirely too accurate and/or objective.:twisted:

Habanero Monk

SDA1C wrote: »

This is called double blind testing and is strictly prohibited as a means with which to test audio equipment. Entirely too accurate and/or objective.:twisted:

Too funny. What I said isn't even a double blind :razz:

Habanero Monk

SDA1C wrote: »

When I suggested we look at Emo for her classroom sound equipment she said "I would rather keep my vintage Technics than that cheap looking $hi7." That right there says it will never break the threshold of my home but I would risk sneaking it in, and the possible couch dwellings, to have a real and objective listen.

I like the look of my Yamaha better than EMO. Industrial understated. Is that even a look? But it all sits in a closet under the stairs. So looks don't really matter. It is a decent sized space so cooling is not a problem and keeps the room looking neat. Only about 25ft run of cabling.

F1nut

Habanero Monk wrote: »

Setup the two amps in question. Get them matched up. Without the end user knowing which is which and have the listener pick out
the one that sounds best to them? Now if this follows your logic the high end amp will win, No?

Your methodology still doesn't establish a scale for one better X times better than the other. In fact, there is no scale for that and that's why the notion is ridiculous.

F1nut

ViperZ wrote: »

You haven't contributed a single objective argument or a fact to this thread

Sure I have, but I suspect in your haste you missed them.

F1nut

mrbiron wrote: »

I didn't know this forum was stuffed to the rafters with 1%'ers. I really feel out of place.

We're at the point of comparing Krell and Classe to Emotiva...WTF?!?!
Kinda pathetic how the word "Emotiva" brings the out the high and mighties just the $hit on it. Go back to your monocles, tophats and $1000 dollar bottles of scotch. Not everyone has bachelor money.

I know who you voted for.

F1nut

Are we having fun yet? :twisted:

tonyb

Habanero Monk wrote: »

All I know is that I went to the Parts Express Tent Sale (~2 hours from me so an easy drive) and I met some really talented speaker designers and none of them had anything bad to say about Emotiva. A few guys are even running pro-audio amps and are quite happy with them. That is one of the reasons I ended up with a Yamaha amp for my LSi9's.

It's considered bad juju to talk bad about your competition. If it sounds good to you, then fly with it. You'll never know what else is out there to improve the sound if you never try other things.....which many of us here have, hence the opinions.

Polkersince85

We are trying to establish a distinction between the haves and the have nots. Who knows where that could lead in these times. :twisted:

Habanero Monk

F1nut wrote: »

Your methodology still doesn't establish a scale for one better X times better than the other. In fact, there is no scale for that and that's why the notion is ridiculous.

Firstly I didn't state anything like X times better, or inversely, worse.

Secondly I believe my point about each individual using their own setup and ears with the knowledge of what amp is currently playing being removed is now being avoided.

I don't know what is more ridiculous:

That it's unreasonable for someone to think/expect a $7000 amp should sound 7 X better than a $1000 amp. You made a car analogy earlier. One that I would like to use: I would think that an Audi/Mercedes/BMW would be of striking better quality than a Dodge Dart. Not only in the sense of fit/finish but in the measurable metrics of NVH, grip, stopping, ride quality, acceleration. One comparison of which price certainly comes into play? People can easily see the difference between a Dodge Dart and Mercedes S550. But my perusal of the quantifiable and anecdotal listening to amps don't lead me to believe that the performance merits the cost difference.

That there is a line you seem to be holding that every single piece of Emotiva gear sounds like garbage in the face of all the other end user and professional reviews out there. You're are certainly entitled to your opinion that doesn't square with what I've been reading about. It just means you need to shout louder to be heard in the other wise dense sea of positive review and user experience. Both by novice and seasoned veterans alike.

That possibly blind that a majority (and I don't hold you outside of that group) may not reliably pick out a high end Emotiva (high end on context of their line up) vs some of the others where you don't know the grouping nor pedigree of amps.

I am fairly certain that your bias is so entrenched that it doesn't matter what Emotiva will bring out in the future. That it is already of poor sound quality.

steveinaz

Emotiva meets a performance/price niche; nothing more, nothing less. It always comes down to the audition, and your expectations as a listener. As long as you understand, as a consumer, you can only pack so much performance at a given price----so keep your expectations realistic.

Habanero Monk

tonyb wrote: »

If it sounds good to you, then fly with it. You'll never know what else is out there to improve the sound if you never try other things.....which many of us here have, hence the opinions.

Agreed there. Some of the opinions would come better received with a little less invective IMO (that's an opinion too ).

tonyb

I hear ya man, just we have lots of personalities around here, it's not a wiki site for dry answers.

Everyone has a certain depth to their wallet and for some Emotiva fits right in, and thats their targeted consumer base, nothing more nothing less. It's not evil to own Emo gear, it's only evil when people try to compare them to better quality amps/gear or start injecting words like "giant killer" or "High end".

Would it not be the same if Polk went around claiming Monitor 70's as giant killers....high end ? Save that coin on the JM Labs Utopia's ? Kinda silly no ? Doesn't mean the M70's are garbage either. The differences in sound quality and costs to get it is best left to each individual to decide. Opinions however are free, and we have many of those.

Habanero Monk

tonyb wrote: »

Everyone has a certain depth to their wallet and for some Emotiva fits right in, and thats their targeted consumer base, nothing more nothing less. It's not evil to own Emo gear, it's only evil when people try to compare them to better quality amps/gear or start injecting words like "giant killer" or "High end".

There are people that have opposing opinions to that also. It's all types that make the world go round.

steveinaz

I wish there were---but expectedly, there are no free rides in high fidelity. That's not to say that there isn't some high value stuff out there; but thinking a Hyundai is a Mercedes, is about as unreasonable as bashing equipment because it doesn't blow YOUR skirt up. I think Emotiva is a high value product, but it's no Mercedes---and that's ok.

F1nut

Habanero Monk wrote: »

Firstly I didn't state anything like X times better, or inversely, worse.

Your post was in direct response to mine, "How does one determine if a certain amp is 3 times better or 10 times better?". So, now you're saying you didn't address my comment?

That it's unreasonable for someone to think/expect a $7000 amp should sound 7 X better than a $1000 amp.

There you go with that X times better thing.

That there is a line you seem to be holding that every single piece of Emotiva gear sounds like garbage in the face of all the other end user and professional reviews out there.

All the other end users??? I've read a lot comments from end users that are not favorable. Guess you missed those.

You're are certainly entitled to your opinion that doesn't square with what I've been reading about.

Again, far from just my opinion.

It just means you need to shout louder to be heard in the other wise dense sea of positive review and user experience. Both by novice and seasoned veterans alike.

No, it means I didn't drink the Kool-aid.

That possibly blind that a majority (and I don't hold you outside of that group) may not reliably pick out a high end Emotiva (high end on context of their line up) vs some of the others where you don't know the grouping nor pedigree of amps.

Blind is not a valid testing method.

I am fairly certain that your bias is so entrenched that it doesn't matter what Emotiva will bring out in the future. That it is already of poor sound quality.

My opinion is based on my experiences, so far.

gdb

I'd venture a guess that if Emos had come out of the gate costing 6-8 thousand bucks, a lot of the haters here would have been fanboy-lovers instead ! If a new krell were a measly grand......it'd be junk.

tonyb

gdb wrote: »

I'd venture a guess that if Emos had come out of the gate costing 6-8 thousand bucks, a lot of the haters here would have been fanboy-lovers instead ! If a new krell were a measly grand......it'd be junk.

Nah.....we'd return it for a refund quicker than Rick could post up some pie. BTW...for me personally, I don't care for Krell amps at any price. Not that their bad, just not my cup of tea.

Emo has a targeted audience, as does Polk, as does Bose, as does companies like Vac, Bat, Cary, etc. Everyone plays this game of audio on different levels, so it only makes sense that every level has it's own options for gear available and companies who compete within certain levels. Make sense ? It's not a one size fits all hobby. Sure, those lines of sound quality can be blurred between levels, no question about it, but when you jump up a few levels you'll hear the difference regardless. That said, Emo operates on the entry level side of seperates, which is cool, kudos to them. But compare apples to apples, not apples to grapefruits. On the used market, you can get better sounding better quality gear for the same price but most want new and shiney with a warranty, hence thats Emo's niche. Nothing complicated or demeaning about it.

Amherst

tonyb wrote: »

Nah.....we'd return it for a refund quicker than Rick could post up some pie. BTW...for me personally, I don't care for Krell amps at any price. Not that their bad, just not my cup of tea.

Emo has a targeted audience, as does Polk, as does Bose, as does companies like Vac, Bat, Cary, etc. Everyone plays this game of audio on different levels, so it only makes sense that every level has it's own options for gear available and companies who compete within certain levels. Make sense ? It's not a one size fits all hobby. Sure, those lines of sound quality can be blurred between levels, no question about it, but when you jump up a few levels you'll hear the difference regardless. That said, Emo operates on the entry level side of seperates, which is cool, kudos to them. But compare apples to apples, not apples to grapefruits. On the used market, you can get better sounding better quality gear for the same price but most want new and shiney with a warranty, hence thats Emo's niche. Nothing complicated or demeaning about it.

Ayyy.....the ears have it! +1 Tony

bobsauto49

Look what u started Phil:rolleyes: U must have seen this comin though:cheesygrin:

gdb

Uhhhh, status has as much to do with it as actual sound reproduction for many "participants", don't kid yourself. They who opt for a $100'000.00 automobile are usually more concerned about the status aspect than the actual "hardware" & transportation aspect. Not....that there's anything wrong with that but, please, just admit to it ! If anyone thinks that vanity, exclusivity & boastfulness aren't big factors here.....................

BlueFox

gdb wrote: »

Uhhhh, status has as much to do with it as actual sound reproduction for many "participants", don't kid yourself. They who opt for a $100'000.00 automobile are usually more concerned about the status aspect than the actual "hardware" & transportation aspect. Not....that there's anything wrong with that but, please, just admit to it ! If anyone thinks that vanity, exclusivity & boastfulness aren't big factors here.....................

And jealousy is what drives some to think that an $800 amp is as good as a $6000 amp, or cheapo cable works just as well as much more expensive cable.

Not....that there's anything wrong with that but, please, just admit to it !