Cheapest speaker wire to test speakers
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Cool. By the way, when I get the monoprice wire I will compare it with the lowes and see if I hear the difference
Which is why you should have gotten 12 gauge instead of 14.Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes
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Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
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Which is why you should have gotten 12 gauge instead of 14.
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It would have been a much better test/comparison if he had 12 gauge from Lowes and the 14 gauge from Monoprice. Now it is simply an apple to apple comparison. If the inexpensive 12 gauge sounds better, or equal to, than the more expensive Monoprice then that is a useful bit of information. On the other hand, if the 14 gauge Lowes sounds better, or equal to, the Monoprice that too is useful, but I think the 12 guage Lowes would be a bit more informative.Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
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You all are bad influence I ordered another monoprice.. but the 12 AWG spool. Now when the 14 AWG arrives I have to figure out how to get rid of it. I will see if i can sell it on craigslist or something.
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Cool. By the way, when I get the monoprice wire I will compare it with the lowes and see if I hear the difference
My guess it you won't hear a dif.You all are bad influence I ordered another monoprice.. but the 12 AWG spool. Now when the 14 AWG arrives I have to figure out how to get rid of it. I will see if i can sell it on craigslist or something.
Since you haven't received the 14 yet, will Monoprice just let you return it unopened?
Btw, I use Monoprice 12x4, works just fine.Source: BRP Panasonic UB9000, CDP Emotiva ERC3 - Display: LG OLED EVO 83 C3 - Pre/Pro: Marantz 8802A - Amplification: Emotiva XPA-DR3, XPA-2 x 2, XPA-6, Speakers, Mains/2ch-Focal Kanta No2's, C-LSiM706, S-702F/X, RS-RTiA9's, WS-RTiA9's, FH-RTiA3's, Subs - Epik Empire x 2
Cables: AudioQuest McKenzie XLR's/CDP/Amp, Carbon 48/BRP, Forest 48/Display, 2 channel speaker cable: Furutech FS Alpha 36 12AWG PCOCC Single Crystal (Douglas Connection)
EXPERIENCE: next to nothing, but I sure enjoy audio and video MY OPINION OF THIS HOBBY: I may not be a smart man, but I know what quicksand is.
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Since you haven't received the 14 yet, will Monoprice just let you return it unopened?
Dunno, but i got other cables within that same order, so I have to open it
I think they would let me return it but at my own expense, no restocking fee maybe.. -
i would just try to sell it on craigslist or something, or keep it extra, maybe you decide to re-arrange your system, and you dont have any of your heavy wire left long enough to use for new runs, you can use the 14 while you wait for more, use the 14 to make some jumpers for your speakers if they have 2 pairs of binding posts, it never hurts to have an extra or a spare around if something comes up2 Channel(work in progress):DAC: Schiit modi 2 uberAmp:Parasound 1200 MK IISub:RBH 1010-SEP Speakers: Monitor 5A peerlesscurrently running some krk rokit 3g since the HK pre outs died and i need to start breaking everything down to move in a couple monthsHeadphones:Source: tidalDAC: schiit modius epre: schiit sysAmp: AQ dragonfly black/ schiit magni2 Cans: Velodyne V-True, Grado SR225i, sennheiser x drop gaming headsetPC:DAC: schiit modius e(over spdif)pre: schiit sysspeakers: prenous eris 5 xtSub: Earthquake Sound MiniMe-P63most of my comments are passing on of info, im a noob, im just trying to help how i can, if im wrong or out of place to comment, dont hesitate to let me know"WITH WILLING HEARTS AND SKILLFUL HANDS, THE DIFFICULT WE DO AT ONCE, THE IMPOSSIBLE TAKES A BIT LONGER, WITH COMPASSION FOR OTHERS. WE BUILD - WE FIGHT FOR PEACE WITH FREEDOM"Seabee Memorial, Arlington, VA
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Ahem.......up until the 1980s, 14gauge speaker wire was HUGE and considered overkill, while the "norm" was 22- 20-18 gauge wire. Then came Monster and the rest is pretty much history. 14 wire may be perfectly adequate for your needs, what components (amp/ speakers) are you hooking up with this wire?
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Did i miss what kind of speakers we are discussing?Main Rig-Realistic AM/FM Record player 8 track boasting 4 WPC
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Ahem.......up until the 1980s, 14gauge speaker wire was HUGE and considered overkill, while the "norm" was 22- 20-18 gauge wire. Then came Monster and the rest is pretty much history. 14 wire may be perfectly adequate for your needs, what components (amp/ speakers) are you hooking up with this wire?
Denon AVR 1912 connecting it to :
Monitor 40s
Monitor 30s
Monitor CS1
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Ahem.......up until the 1980s, 14gauge speaker wire was HUGE and considered overkill,
And in the Middle Ages if a woman floated she was a witch. So, what's your point?Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
Three 20 amp circuits. -
And in the Middle Ages if a woman floated she was a witch.
I thought that was still true todaySource: BRP Panasonic UB9000, CDP Emotiva ERC3 - Display: LG OLED EVO 83 C3 - Pre/Pro: Marantz 8802A - Amplification: Emotiva XPA-DR3, XPA-2 x 2, XPA-6, Speakers, Mains/2ch-Focal Kanta No2's, C-LSiM706, S-702F/X, RS-RTiA9's, WS-RTiA9's, FH-RTiA3's, Subs - Epik Empire x 2
Cables: AudioQuest McKenzie XLR's/CDP/Amp, Carbon 48/BRP, Forest 48/Display, 2 channel speaker cable: Furutech FS Alpha 36 12AWG PCOCC Single Crystal (Douglas Connection)
EXPERIENCE: next to nothing, but I sure enjoy audio and video MY OPINION OF THIS HOBBY: I may not be a smart man, but I know what quicksand is.
When I was young, I was Superman but now that old age has gotten the best of me I'm only Batman -
And in the Middle Ages if a woman floated she was a witch. So, what's your point?
point is......the gauge wars are hype and marketing..... and that if big were truly necessary, it would have been discovered and declared as fact long before Monster hit the scene. Have you had a peek inside your electronics or speakers ? What gauge wiring did the manufacturers elect to use ? -
There's a lot more to cable than the gauge, which is a fact that some folks just can't seem to grasp.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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That's what she saidSource: BRP Panasonic UB9000, CDP Emotiva ERC3 - Display: LG OLED EVO 83 C3 - Pre/Pro: Marantz 8802A - Amplification: Emotiva XPA-DR3, XPA-2 x 2, XPA-6, Speakers, Mains/2ch-Focal Kanta No2's, C-LSiM706, S-702F/X, RS-RTiA9's, WS-RTiA9's, FH-RTiA3's, Subs - Epik Empire x 2
Cables: AudioQuest McKenzie XLR's/CDP/Amp, Carbon 48/BRP, Forest 48/Display, 2 channel speaker cable: Furutech FS Alpha 36 12AWG PCOCC Single Crystal (Douglas Connection)
EXPERIENCE: next to nothing, but I sure enjoy audio and video MY OPINION OF THIS HOBBY: I may not be a smart man, but I know what quicksand is.
When I was young, I was Superman but now that old age has gotten the best of me I'm only Batman -
There's a lot more to cable than the gauge, which is a fact that some folks just can't seem to grasp.
Right. There's gauge, looks, and marketing. -
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Right. There's gauge, looks, and marketing.
You and Bobby boy can't be that ignorant, can you? Really???Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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Funny how the usual suspects love to spout out how nothing matters with a cable. No matter what is different with a cable there will be no difference in the end result. Yet, I have yet to see a weakling get in on the cable demos. Apparently, they are scared they will be shown wrong, and if they are so wrong about something as "simple" as wire then what other of their beliefs are also wrong.
Anyway, I am looking forward to the comparison of the Lowes cable to the Monoprice cable. My personal belief is, by and large, inexpensive cable is pretty much the same. You need to get up into a few hundred dollar range before you start to get noticible improvement. But I could be wrong since I never did that test. I went from hardware store 12 gauge to Mapleshade Clearview Double Helix Plus for my first speaker cable upgrade. And that was an obvious difference, and it is a small gauge, maybe 18 or so. However, generally speaking with inexpensive wire bigger is usually better when the other parts (insulation, copper, stranded) are equal.Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
Three 20 amp circuits. -
Name calling is for the delusional! Ignorance is bliss!You and Bobby boy can't be that ignorant, can you? Really???"Everything I ever did in my life worthwhile I caught hell for" -
So how about it Bobby boy, are you willing to demo some high end cables or are you happy to remain one of the blissfully ignorant?Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
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...is no more.
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A little barley and hopps gently poured into the top of the receiver at the warm spots should set off everything just right,,,call me sparky!
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scumbag in post 54 reportedIf you can't hear a difference, don't waste your money.
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I've tried Mit SG S3.3's,Avt2(which i'm currently using)and some analysis plus cables! The SG S3.3's did nothing for me,as well as all others I've tried,in my set-up. Plain and simple! I use the Avt2's cause I feel I got a good deal on them,and they're nice looking,compared to bulk speaker wire. I'm gonna match my new ML Montis speakers to some Analysis Plus. There again,Less then $160,and they look good! The SG S3.3's were a friends,that were"burned in". I tried them for 2 weeks,and just didnt find any sonic improvement to MY ears! Therefore,I've deciced to spend MY $1000 elsewhere in my system!So how about it Bobby boy, are you willing to demo some high end cables or are you happy to remain one of the blissfully ignorant?
However,i am looking forward to swapping out the Analysis Plus cables,with the AVT2's on the ML,just to see if I can hear any sonic difference! GoodDay! Rob"Everything I ever did in my life worthwhile I caught hell for" -
Fair enough Rob. Not everyone can or will hear sonic improvements no matter what is used. That however doesn't paint the whole subject with a broad brush.
The rest just need to experiment and try for themselves. Otherwise your opinions are just speculation. Marketing hype is used in every consumer product known to man. Doesn't seperate the bad from the good either. Cables are no different.HT SYSTEM-
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In most cases Tony,IMHO,Marketing hype,is what it is! Marketing hype! Most cable companies,and other goods sold throughout the world,claim to have "the best,greatest,supreme",ect.ect.!Fact is,they can't all have the bestest,cause its subjective! I own a Carquest store! I wouldn't for one second try and tell my customers that all my parts are supreme, to say a Napa,Autozone,or OReileys! Because they're not! In alot of cases the parts are the same,in all boxes!(and made oversea's) I would tell them that I can offer top notch CS to them,without fail! Fact is Marketing is what sells the product,in most cases! ACDelco,is a subsidary of GM,and has GREAT marketing! People ask me for them by name. What most people dont know is,They dont make over 90% of the parts in their box! Its made by the same companies that make Carquest,Napa,ect.ect.! Marketing!!!"Everything I ever did in my life worthwhile I caught hell for"
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bobsauto49 wrote: »In most cases Tony,IMHO,Marketing hype,is what it is! Marketing hype! Most cable companies,and other goods sold throughout the world,claim to have "the best,greatest,supreme",ect.ect.!Fact is,they can't all have the bestest,cause its subjective! I own a Carquest store! I wouldn't for one second try and tell my customers that all my parts are supreme, to say a Napa,Autozone,or OReileys! Because they're not! In alot of cases the parts are the same,in all boxes!(and made oversea's) I would tell them that I can offer top notch CS to them,without fail! Fact is Marketing is what sells the product,in most cases! ACDelco,is a subsidary of GM,and has GREAT marketing! People ask me for them by name. What most people dont know is,They dont make over 90% of the parts in their box! Its made by the same companies that make Carquest,Napa,ect.ect.! Marketing!!!
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