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ravaneli

I never said every SS is good, or every tube is bad. Some tubes have distortion that is low enough not to be audible. Of course then their signature is lost and that defies the whole purpose of having a tube. Why would anyone buy a tube that doesn't add the typical coloration?? You can get true sound much cheaper with SS! And some SS amps are ridiculously expensive too. When u generalize you always allow plenty of inaccuracy. But overall SS are cheaper, more reliable, and have tighter specs.

And please stop telling me to listen to tube gear fist. Me liking or hating it will mean nothing, just like heiney liking it means absolutely nothing. People's perceptions are so inaccurate and easily influenced that they are near worthless. That is why bench tests and blind tests exist, so we have a base of comparison that nobody can dispute. And tube gear, regardless of how it sounds to you, usually has miserable bench results.

So instead of calling me an idiot, if you feel like telling me that tube gear just sounds better, just call yourself and idiot and save that post, because i never disputed how tube gear sounds (especially how it sounds to you).

And here is a tip for all of you - all other things equal, if two amps both have zero distortion they will sound exactly the same. And since solid states already have pretty near zero distortion, the only way for a tube amp to sound different is to ADD COLORATION (distortion)

heiney9

ravaneli wrote: »

I never said every SS is good, or every tube is bad.

YES you absolutely did!!!!

heiney9

ravaneli wrote: »

And since solid states already have pretty near zero distortion, the only way for a tube amp to sound different is to ADD COLORATION (distortion)

Wrong again, try again

Joe08867

Listening is the only way to really know. Specs are screwy for most manufacturers anyway since there is no set rules to testing.

So just cause your read something about this amp and that amp being the same distortion, it doesn't mean they won't have there own signature sound. (Color, Distortion) whatever you want to call it is part of the audio world.

You sound like a complete idiot. You claim you didn't say this or that but you did. Why would we be discussing this if you didn't.

If you said I don't agree that tubes are best. I think people would have said your crazy but then moved on. But no you said. Quote:

tubes are the biggest audio scam in the audio world, but I like it because the people that buy that crap get what they deserve : )

and @ Joe, an amp that has no distortion cannot sound bright or harsh or shmellow. In order for an amp to sound 'warm', like some tube amps do, admittedly, the amp must have distortion on the high end. And while Emotiva has measurably higher distortion than any good name amp, these differences are mostly on paper and not something that human ear can pick up. At least not on blind tests lol

Then you said this:

I for one have always found extraordinary that the horrible distortion of the tube amps is praised for quality and people shell dearly earned money to buy that crap that needs to be serviced more often than a car from the 70s. I guess some distortion 'good' and some is bad. Nobody here can tell me that tubes have true sound though. U can use your subjective bullsh1t terms like 'warm', 'mellow', or how about 'liquid', but if you have ever looked at the distortion ratings of a tube amp u can never say it's true.

Then this:

can someone tell me exactly what in what I said is drawing the fire? That the tube amps have distortion or that they require maintenance? Why do u keep telling me they sound nice, when I never disputed that? Who are you telling that? And as far as distortion goes, you have to take that beef with the people who measure that, including the manufacturers themselves. If you want to spend crazy money to hear a distorted version of the real signal because that way it sounds better to you - that is really up to you. I prefer true, uncolored sound. I want to hear the recording the way it was played during the recording. People have different tastes. So that's the end of this argument:
1. if you say that tubes sound nice - noone is arguing with you.
2. if you say they sound true - then please go dispute the distortion ratings of the people who measure them.

You know, people take jabs at Emotiva for having 0.1% distortion through the entire range while pumping 300W per channel instead of the industry average of .. what.. 0.02%, for the nice brands. But bring a Yaqin amp with 3 % (30 times!) distortion, 25W per channel and 2000$ price tag and superlatives from the audio experts can't stop raining. Seem fair or logical to you? See what grinds my gears?

Do you want to stick to a train of thought for the whole conversation or do you like taking two steps forward and three back.

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Easy folks, everyone is entitled to their opinions and observations. All of us have held onto beliefs that we were sure were correct and maybe later found out differently. The only possible way to learn anything is to keep an open mind and encourage others to do the same.

ravaneli

Joe08867 wrote: »

Listening is the only way to really know.

Can someone count how many times I asked to stop telling me to go listen because everyone hears differently and likes different things? I mean, Joe, what are you, insane? How can you keep saying this? Do you realize how absurd that is? We would never know what is what if people's perception was what counted. That is exactly the reason why people like heiney have any reputation at all after they are dead wrong about very basic principles in physics. They guy is nothing but a bag of subjective opinions.

You are correct about manufacturer specs though, i don't trust them for a second and I never referred to them in any of my posts. The only thing that can be trusted is third party bench tests and double blind tests.

heiney9

You wouldn't know basic principles of physics if the apple fell out of the tree and bonked you on the head.

How is your opinion (which is not based on experience) any less subjective than my opinion? Seriously, I want to know?

Atleast I am not a flip-flopper constantly contradicting my own posts.

H9

Joe08867

cbow8, sounds like you found a cool amp. I hope it has the warmth you are looking for. It should cetainly have the juice to run those speakers well.

Sorry about mucking up your thread. It happens around here from time to time.

Raving lunatic, You trust third party tests and double blind studies? I prefer to trust myself over someone else's interpretation of something. That's like saying you saw it on TV so it had to be true. You really are a lost cause.

How about this. Until you actually know how something sounds, works and can be integrated into a system. Why don't you STFU. You are not being helpful when you do nothing but spout lies and contradict in your every post.