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:cheesygrin:DarqueKnight wrote: »I won't believe that until you PROVE it with a quadruple blind test!
I don't need to prove anything to the likes of you...
:cheesygrin: I heard that this forum was hostile to those of us that are smarter than everybody else because we don'y buy into all that alcohol snobbery that gets slod to the uninformed around here, Do yourselves a favor and save a ton of money and just drink Killion's Irish Red. Save even more and go straight from the bottle.
Anything more than that is complete BS. IMHO.:cheesygrin: The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
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On most days I drink the kool aid
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I know this sounds silly, but any of you experience this......
System sounds better with lights off than on ?
System sounds better at night rather than during daylight ?
System sounds better when listening alone ?
Then, just at daybreak, a group of drunk friends drop by, turn on the lights, and it all goes to crap ?
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Alcohol. I cant read a damn thing you guys are saying, needless hear it..
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Johnny Walker Blue label on the rocks makes everything sound fantastic!
H9
I don't know how you do that man...
I can't drink scotch on the rocks, makes it taste like mouth wash to me! I love Blue Label though, I just wish I could afford to have it around all the time... -
an audiophile drinking a blended scotch? everyone knows single malts sound better....:cool:Johnny Walker Blue label on the rocks makes everything sound fantastic!
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an audiophile drinking a blended scotch? everyone knows single malts sound better....:cool:
How can that be?!
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Upstatemax wrote: »I don't know how you do that man...
I can't drink scotch on the rocks, makes it taste like mouth wash to me! I love Blue Label though, I just wish I could afford to have it around all the time...
I prefer my vodka, scotch and even a fine tequila on the rocks. Johnnie Walker Blue is a treat as I don't drink it very often because of the expense. But like audio gear, the better the spirits are the more enjoyable the experience. I'd prefer to drink really good alcohol occasionally than mediocre alcohol everyday. Don't get me wrong when I'm out I drink more affordably but my stash at home is top shelf and then sometimes it takes a year or more to go through it.
Like I said it's an occasional treat. I have a friend (from Scotland or atleast that's his nationality) who is just starting to introduce me to the world of single malt scotches. Another expensive hobby. Perhaps someday when I quite buying NOS tubes I can start buying single malt scotch.
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Where the hell you at pepster ? We're waiting.
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I know this sounds silly, but any of you experience this......
Not silly at all.System sounds better with lights off than on ?
When your brain is not processing images, you can focus on hearing. Although, I prefer dimmed lights rather than light off. I like to "see" where the sound is coming from.System sounds better at night rather than during daylight ?
Less demand on the power grid = less power line noise = better sound.System sounds better when listening alone ?
Another head/body in the sweet spot will affect imaging.Then, just at daybreak, a group of drunk friends drop by, turn on the lights, and it all goes to crap ?
Not since my college days.
I only allow female friends to show up at daybreak now. Then I don't mind the intrusion.nooshinjohn wrote: »I don't need to prove anything to the likes of you...:cheesygrin:
I knew it! You alcohol naysayers are just jealous of other people who can afford a mellower, more refined multi-dimensional drunkedness with lifelike holographic hallucinations.nooshinjohn wrote: »Do yourselves a favor and save a ton of money and just drink Killion's Irish Red. Save even more and go straight from the bottle.
You could save even more money by just hitting yourself in the head with a brick, because that's the effect cheap liquor has on your head.
Alcoholphiles are interested in attaining an alcohol induced "enlightenment" and not just ending up stoned out of our minds like some common back alley riff-raff. Getting to this enlightened state requires the appropriate high quality alcohol and the training and experience in how to drink it!Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country! -
DarqueKnight wrote: »When your brain is not processing images, you can focus on hearing. Although, I prefer dimmed lights rather than light off. I like to "see" where the sound is coming from.
There we have it. An admission of a bias. Only Stevie Wonder can do a blind test. :twisted:Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
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...As for me, scotch is very nice, but there is nothing like a fine Cognac!
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I'm a Bourbon man, myself. Booker's.
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DarqueKnight wrote: »When your brain is not processing images, you can focus on hearing. Although, I prefer dimmed lights rather than light off. I like to "see" where the sound is coming from.There we have it. An admission of a bias. Only Stevie Wonder can do a blind test. :twisted:
Nahhhh, that ain't no bias, it's a preference.
bias - an opinion without justification, a particular tendency or inclination, especially one that prevents unprejudiced consideration of a question; prejudice.
preference - a practical advantage given to one over others, the act or attitude of liking better.
Bias influences choice based on an unsubstantiated perception or assigning impractical advantage. Preference is based on a practical, real advantage but may or may not influence choice.
Example of bias - I think strawberry ice cream tastes better than other flavors because red is my favorite color. (Color has nothing to do with taste, and red coloring can be added to vanilla ice cream.).
Example of preference - I prefer strawberry ice cream because it's the most pleasing flavor I have tasted to date.Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country! -
:cheesygrin:DarqueKnight wrote: »I knew it! You alcohol naysayers are just jealous of other people who can afford a mellower, more refined multi-dimensional drunkedness with lifelike holographic hallucinations.
Science has proven that being drunk on a quality beer is no less capable of inducing quality hallucinations as the so-called high end alcohols. All you are paying for is a name on some fancy, shmancy bottle that gets tossed in the trash anyway when it's empty. You have demonstrated no facts to support your claims, no fancy graphs, charts, or scientific mumbo jumbo at all... ZERO! Surely a man of your "considerable" (coughs) backround can do better. Until then you are simply posting your opinion and that counts for zero in my book.:rolleyes::cheesygrin:...
As is typical of this forum and those of your mis-informed ilk... you resort to violent imagery to get your point across. I have reported your post for threats and violent images. Don't be at all suprised when my attorney's sue you for your viscious threats.DarqueKnight wrote: »You could save even more money by just hitting yourself in the head with a brick, because that's the effect cheap liquor has on your head..DarqueKnight wrote: »Alcoholphiles are interested in attaining an alcohol induced "enlightenment" and not just ending up stoned out of our minds like some common back alley riff-raff. Getting to this enlightened state requires the appropriate high quality alcohol and the training and experience in how to drink it!
And here you resort to name calling and insults. claiming that somehow because I prefer a good beer to find enlightenment, that I do not have the requisite skills to achieve alcohol induced "enlightenment" is an absurd statement. I hope you find yourself on the wrong end of a sobriety checkpoint and see if your fancy bottles can talk your way out of a DUI any better than my cheap beer bottles.:cheesygrin:
Bettre yet, I invite you to my place when you get out to Los Angeles and we can settle this with a quadruple blind testand see which of us is right.(I already know I am and not test of any kind will change my mind, regardless of facts)The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
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nooshinjohn wrote: »Science has proven that being drunk on a quality beer is no less capable of inducing quality hallucinations as the so-called high end alcohols.
The "Wahjer-Wussel.com" and "Alcholics.com" anti-premium liquor websites do not count as "science".:cheesygrin:nooshinjohn wrote: »All you are paying for is a name on some fancy, shmancy bottle that gets tossed in the trash anyway when it's empty.
I do not throw my empties away. Premium liquor bottles and labels have artistic and collectible value, unlike the coarse, unattractive, unappealing packaging of the rotgut consumed by the masses. Maybe one day you will save up enough pennies and be able to afford a fine single malt scotch and be able to admire the exquisite glass and fine labeling sitting on your liquor cabinet shelves. You do have a liquor cabinet don't you? You're not just storing your alcohol in the kitchen cabinet are you?:loneranger:nooshinjohn wrote: »I hope you find yourself on the wrong end of a sobriety checkpoint and see if your fancy bottles can talk your way out of a DUI any better than my cheap beer bottles.
See? That's one of the main differences between a alcoholphile and an alcoholic. An alcoholphile would never drink and drive. We are content to enjoy our beverages in the comfort of our well appointed homes as we pour our drinks from sculpted glass bottles with gold embossed labels. We aren't out at seedy bars getting hammered on cheap beer and then getting behind the wheel.Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country! -
DarqueKnight wrote: »Less demand on the power grid = less power line noise = better sound.
How does that rule apply when a power conditioner is used in the mix? Take that PS Audio unit you have, does your music sound better during the day than at night?
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DarqueKnight wrote: »The "Wahjer-Wussel.com" and "Alcholics.com" anti-premium liquor websites do not count as "science".:cheesygrin:
Wahjer Wussel and his website has done far more to dsicredit the snobbish, stuck up and pretentious "alcophools" than any other person in the history of the universe. How dare you smear his reputation like this! OUTRAGEOUS!!! There will be a Dos Equis XX placed on you for this, and you will be made to suffer your blaphsemy!:cheesygrin:DarqueKnight wrote: »I do not throw my empties away. Premium liquor bottles and labels have artistic and collectible value, unlike the coarse, unattractive, unappealing packaging of the rotgut consumed by the masses. Maybe one day you will save up enough pennies and be able to afford a fine single malt scotch and be able to admire the exquisite glass and fine labeling sitting on your liquor cabinet shelves. You do have a liquor cabinet don't you? You're not just storing your alcohol in the kitchen cabinet are you?:loneranger:
I have called your local mental health facility and your department of waste management... HOARDER!!!!DarqueKnight wrote: »See? That's one of the main differences between a alcoholphile and an alcoholic. An alcoholphile would never drink and drive. We are content to enjoy our beverages in the comfort of our well appointed homes as we pour our drinks from sculpted glass bottles with gold embossed labels. We aren't out at seedy bars getting hammered on cheap beer and then getting behind the wheel.
And that is why the alcophool is at home with porno tapes while the true alcophile is out gettin his groove on with the ladies!(ok... and a few that at least looked like ladies after a six pack has been downed.:eek::redface:) but hey, another six pack in the morning and who cares!
All that fu still costs less than a single glass of your high falutin' single malt scotch.:cheesygrin:The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
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How does that rule apply when a power conditioner is used in the mix? Take that PS Audio unit you have, does your music sound better during the day than at night?
A few years ago, there was an average 25% reduction in power line noise between daytime and late night (2.4% THD daytime, 1.7% THD late night). Even with a PS Audio Power Plant Premier AC regenerator, I could hear a difference in clarity and imaging between daytime and nighttime listening.
The power company has upgraded their power transmission facilities and the noise (THD) content is typically stable at ~1.5% over a 24 hour period. I hear an improvement with the PS Audio P-10 AC regenerator I now use (compared to without the regenerator), but I do not hear a difference between daytime and nighttime listening.
----Are we going to compare next whether or not the expensive alcohol makes you enjoy the music more than cheap booze?
YES! The good stuff puts less stress on your body than cheap booze. Less stress = more relaxation = more attention to sonic detail.Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country! -
DarqueKnight wrote: »YES! The good stuff puts less stress on your body than cheap booze. Less stress = more relaxation = more attention to sonic detail.
There you go... spouting off MORE bs with absolutely zero facts to back up your rediculous conclusions. Ignore his posts guys as he is doing nothing but spending your hard earned money for absolutly zero difference in relaxation or sonic improvement. The next thing he will be doing is making the rediculous claim that distilling equipment can have an impact on smoothness, and that cables make a difference. Utter nonsense!:cheesygrin::rolleyes::cheesygrin:The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
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nooshinjohn wrote: »Wahjer Wussel and his website has done far more to dsicredit the snobbish, stuck up and pretentious "alcophools" than any other person in the history of the universe. How dare you smear his reputation like this! OUTRAGEOUS!!!
He smeared his own reputation when he recently came out with his own brand of premium liquor. He said he didn't think his high priced booze tasted any better than rotgut, but since there is a demand for this sort of thing, he thought he should cash in. HYPOCRITE!nooshinjohn wrote: »There will be a Dos Equis XX placed on you for this, and you will be made to suffer your blaphsemy!:cheesygrin:
No way! A couple shots of Hennessy Beaut? du Si?cle cognac will ward off all cheap booze curses and evil spirits: Hennessy Beaute du Siecle[/b].nooshinjohn wrote: »I have called your local mental health facility and your department of waste management... HOARDER!!!!
When they come over to investigate I'll invite them in for a drink...of premium liquor.nooshinjohn wrote: »And that is why the alcophool is at home with porno tapes while the true alcophile is out gettin his groove on with the ladies!(ok... and a few that at least looked like ladies after a six pack has been downed.:eek::redface:) but hey, another six pack in the morning and who cares!
You'll care once fire starts shooting out of your private parts.nooshinjohn wrote: »All that fu still costs less than a single glass of your high falutin' single malt scotch.:cheesygrin:
Don't hate...congratulate.nooshinjohn wrote: »The next thing he will be doing is making the rediculous claim that distilling equipment can have an impact on smoothness, and that cables make a difference. Utter nonsense!:cheesygrin::rolleyes::cheesygrin:
I don't know anything about cables, but I do know that the type of glass used for a premium liquor bottle, or drinking glass, affects the taste and aroma. A trained connoisseur can even discern the glass factory by the influence of tell-tale taste and aroma signatures. This only works for premium liquor, however.Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country! -
DarqueKnight wrote: »The "Wahjer-Wussel.com" and "Alcholics.com" anti-premium liquor websites do not count as "science".:cheesygrin:
Witty and clever.... Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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I only drink alcohol out of a quart jar here, sometimes loaded with berrys. Anything with a label is for pussies. :loneranger:
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Thanks DK for once again setting me straight. I have a bottle of Johnnie Walker, aged 25 years now, that I will crack open in your honor. It started life as Black Label, but in the 13 years I have had it, I have never cracked the seal...The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
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I'm with Cathy. You need at least 200 WPC (Wobbles per Cask) to really appreciate your system.>
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DarqueKnight wrote: »A few years ago, there was an average 25% reduction in power line noise between daytime and late night (2.4% THD daytime, 1.7% THD late night). Even with a PS Audio Power Plant Premier AC regenerator, I could hear a difference in clarity and imaging between daytime and nighttime listening.
The power company has upgraded their power transmission facilities and the noise (THD) content is typically stable at ~1.5% over a 24 hour period. I hear an improvement with the PS Audio P-10 AC regenerator I now use (compared to without the regenerator), but I do not hear a difference between daytime and nighttime listening.
That's interesting information. Obviously it varies where you live as the power is different. However, In the cold months, wouldn't this reverse as heaters will stress a power grid more at night then during the day as temperatures drop? -
That's interesting information. Obviously it varies where you live as the power is different. However, In the cold months, wouldn't this reverse as heaters will stress a power grid more at night then during the day as temperatures drop?
Whether the weather is cold or warm, you will still have less demand at night because most business and industrial consumers have shut down. In addition, residential power demand is intermittent. Heaters, refrigerators and air conditioners run just enough to maintain a constant temperature.
The intermittent nighttime load of residential heaters in the winter (or air conditioning units in the summer) will not come anywhere close to the consistent daytime load from office buildings, small businesses and factories.Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country! -
for any midwestern whiskey fans, this has been my liquor du jour...Templeton Rye .... for about a year. originally production was exclusive to here in Iowa, and distribution was slightly skewed. it is better now, but supplies can still get scarce. at its worst i had stockpiled 8 bottles, the last of which i just broke out for my father-in-law's 80th birthday. at around $40, it is not break-the-bank, but i still sip it like a treat.
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Don't you guys know anything, alcohol will only get you started. If you want the full placebo effect and the SDA effect (even if you don't have SDA's) try topping off that alcohol with smoking a camel straight that's been soaking in formaldehyde for a couple days, you will not only get the full placebo and SDA effect but you will also be able to hear, count and see (if you don't go blind first) the individual electrons flowing in your speaker cables amongst other things.“The two most important days in your life are the day you are born and the day you find out why.” ~ Mark Twain
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don't you guys know anything, alcohol will only get you started. If you want the full placebo effect and the sda effect (even if you don't have sda's) try topping off that alcohol with smoking a camel straight that's been soaking in formaldehyde for a couple days, you will not only get the full placebo and sda effect but you will also be able to hear, count and see (if you don't go blind first) the individual electrons flowing in your speaker cables amongst other things.
LSD? Shrooms?:razz: I doubt my head could handle crap like that in today's world, plus you know it it would be garbage..
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