Joe Paternos days of coaching is ending in shame..

Mr. Sharpe

Lol never seen a Hitch on a Mustang, but the roar of the 5.0 leaves me no doubt that it could haul anything. I didn't know there were any South Carolina fans on this forum. I didn't care when Bowden got fired, to honest too many 5 loss seasons and being ranked top 10 every year. I FSU has some rebuilding to do but they'll pound Florida again this year, Florida is horrible. I watched the FA GA game and they're awful. their whole offense came in one quarter and it was all Brantley throwing the ball for 235 some odd yards. they had something like 19 yards in the whole second half. I am very happy to see that Florida is really nothing without their wonderful QB

evhudsons

yeah, you have to suspect a football program that was built around a guy who spends the offseason doing free circumcisions. I can see why Urban retired when he did.

I hope we pound both Miami and Florida and call it a day. I'm tired of "next year".

Mr. Sharpe

haha, that Miami FSU game, the final might turn out either being 35-3 or 59-52 lol. lots of offense in the ACC just like every year.

This week Bama plays Mississippi State, if they lose here's why they'll lose, throwing the ball too much. I'll bet FSU could beat Stanford, I wish they'd get into a bowl game together, I really do but stanford is going to be stuck with some other overrated team and probably win as usual.

snow

I think a lot of people are guilty of allowing this to continue without reporting it to the police, Joe also if at least according to what he said here is true

{ As Coach Sandusky was retired from our coaching staff at that time, I referred the matter to university administrators.}

Therby implying that since Sandusky was no longer employed as a coach he had done everyting he should do. Which of course makes it appear joe was concerned about one thing only, how it would affect the univerisity and not even in the slightest concerned about the child.

Every adult has a responsibility to report such a claim to the police personally not just to your superior who may or may not attempt to cover it up, The blame doesnt start with joe it started according to the timeline Jesse supplied, much earlier than when joe was told but the fact that joe didnt follow up with the police makes him just as guilty as anyone else that knew and didnt also and in addition joe had enough weight to make certian that he would be heard if he had went public but he didndt and instead continued to turn a blind eye to it to keep his beloved university safe from scandal, by not going to the police he allowed other little boys to be assaulted which obviously didnt matter to joe, they were not important enough to him.

I think everyone that turned a blind eye should spend the rest of their natural life behind bars getting raped the same way that the little boy did joe included.



REGARDS SNOW

MacLeod

F1nut wrote: »

Ummm...Aaron you might want to get your facts straight. This should help, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/09/penn-state-scandal-timeline-jerry-sandusky_n_1084204.html

Where am I wrong Jesse? That timeline makes my point even more. There was a pattern of abuse and everybody knew about it and all they did was take his keys to the locker room away?!?

Paterno should've called the cops when he saw nothing was being done and at the very least, barred the guy from the shool and the 2nd mile program which was Sandusky's hunting ground.

I'm not saying Paterno is the only one at fault here. Everybody in that place the knew what was happening and did nothing, should be strung up but Paterno being who he is with the power he has is at the top of the list for not doing anything so as to protect the schools image.

Dawgfish

Mr. Sharpe wrote: »

Off topic but A fan of a southern school? on this forum? I refuse to believe it.

There are lots of fans of southern schools here. I'm a UGA grad myself. That's where the "dawg" portion of my handle comes from. Sorry to get off topic here also. My dad actually went to PSU and is a huge fan. Because of that I grew up rooting for PSU except for when they played an SEC team. My dad is really saddened by this whole ordeal. He thinks of this the same way most of those do, even though JoePa did the bare legal minimum by alerting the AD, he had a moral obligation to do more. In that regard he failed. Even JoePa himself admits this. It's really ashamed because he ran the program with class, honor, and dignity for such a long time. It's ashamed that it is ending like this, but it is the right thing to do. This is something you just can't report away and then forget about. I know the students were just trying to show support for their coach for the years of excellent service he has provided for them, but this is a situation I just can't see anybody supporting. This whole situation is nothing but sad. I feel really bad for the victims. They are the ones we really should be concerned about.

tommyboy

What happened last night after the announcment was an absolute disgrace! There was a riot in the streets because a coach got fired for not reporting a rape incident with a child?! I know 10 years from now, they will look back at this and think how they could be so naive.

I'm so glad I decided not to transfer to Penn State. I wouldn't want everyone to think my school is a bunch of morons.

MacLeod

This is why college students shouldn't be allowed to vote. :rolleyes:

Joe08867

I am glad they fired him but most of them should be fired and charges brought on them.

He was a heck of a coach but a disgust human being.

mhardy6647

Not to belittle the awful crimes that were committed and subsequently (apparently) overlooked... but it will be interesting to look back at this imbroglio in a year, or a decade, and see what the durable outcomes and lessons learned will have been.

To me (FWIW) the saddest part is the quasi-religion of "big" collegiate sports in this country - seems to throw the purpose of higher education completely out of kilter at many schools.

cdn5003

tommyboy wrote: »

What happened last night after the announcment was an absolute disgrace! There was a riot in the streets because a coach got fired for not reporting a rape incident with a child?! I know 10 years from now, they will look back at this and think how they could be so naive.

I'm so glad I decided not to transfer to Penn State. I wouldn't want everyone to think my school is a bunch of morons.

This is ignorant and simplistic, Joe wasn't just "a coach". He means so much to this town and has for a very long time. I say this to explain the emotional reaction from everyone involved, student rioting is obviously over the top. Some people here love Joe unconditionally.

Why are you glad you didn't transfer to Penn State? It is and always has been a great school. Is it really the national sentiment that 50,000 students and the whole staff is a bunch of morons because this scandal happened? The cover up has nothing to do with academics at PSU. I am a proud graduate of PSU. If you think I'm a moron fine, go ahead and kick everyone associated with PSU while they are down.

evhudsons

MHardy is right on.
It is by nature of money and politics that there is pressure for schools to promote sports now at a level way beyond the importance of education for it's students. It's a situation shared by schools of all sizes but more so in big schools. No school is immune, not even Notre Dame, Yale, FSU, or Penn State. Coach Bowden always promoted health, family, God and Moral values above any school mandate for winning games. FSU has had it's share of bad press just as Miami has, but all schools have laws, rules and bad moral decisions made by students and staff. But normally the coach is doing everything he can to suppress the events, not ignore them. I'm not really sure what happened with Paterno as he did run the school as an example of class. I"m not jumping to conclusions without facts, but it sure doesn't look good.

mrbigbluelight

Upstatemax wrote: »

Joe did not let him do anything...

By 2002 Sandusky was retired. How do you fire a retired man?

Joe did not grant him full access to the University, the UNIVERSITY did. The same one that knew all about his crimes.

Joe reported this to the University, exactly what he should have done since it happened at the University and Joe did not witness anything! Joe was told what another person said he saw. The person that should have called the cops was the witness! Not Joe.

How do you fire a retired man ? You don't, obviously.

BUT .... pay attention here, Einstein ..... you AT LEAST keep him off campus.

Which Paterno could have done.

And you take your name off Smuckfug's "charitable" foundation for young boys.

Which Paterno could have done.

"I told my superior ! Gee, what else could I have done ?!?!"

PA-FUGGING-PATHETIC !

Paterno ruled that town, he ruled that college.

Paterno doesn't want him on campus ..... he doesn't get on campus.

Oh well .... I guess 6+ young BOYS getting raped .... well, we've got football games to win, right ?

As for as being a witchhunt .... bullcrap.

Read the fugging grand jury testimony (it's available on line) .... then tell me this is a witchhunt.

Some of you may now return to sucking Paterno's **** now. It's okay. It's legal ... but remember, rape is not.

PA-FUGGING-PATHETIC . :mad:

cdn5003

DSkip are you saying that the community was complicit in the cover up? This community is shocked and emotionally distraught.


Think about this, one of the two eyewitnesses to a child being raped in a shower will be on the sidelines calling the pass plays for the offense. mcqueary has the worst moral compass of everyone involved (excluding sandusky of course).

What everyone wants to know is exactly what he told Joe about the 2002 rape.

IMO it doesn't matter, sandusky in a shower on campus with a second grader, call cops immediately

Upstatemax

mrbigbluelight wrote: »

How do you fire a retired man ? You don't, obviously.

BUT .... pay attention here, Einstein ..... you AT LEAST keep him off campus.

Which Paterno could have done.

And you take your name off Smuckfug's "charitable" foundation for young boys.

Which Paterno could have done.

"I told my superior ! Gee, what else could I have done ?!?!"

PA-FUGGING-PATHETIC !

Paterno ruled that town, he ruled that college.

Paterno doesn't want him on campus ..... he doesn't get on campus.

Oh well .... I guess 6+ young BOYS getting raped .... well, we've got football games to win, right ?

As for as being a witchhunt .... bullcrap.

Read the fugging grand jury testimony (it's available on line) .... then tell me this is a witchhunt.

Some of you may now return to sucking Paterno's **** now. It's okay. It's legal ... but remember, rape is not.

PA-FUGGING-PATHETIC . :mad:

You have zero clue what really happened with this whole situation. You have zero clue what Joe was told, how far Joe really went and what Joe was told after the report.

Yes, I'm giving a STAND UP MAN FOR OVER 60 YEARS the benefit of the doubt. Something he has earned. Once/If all the facts come out, I will pass judgement.

But for now, I feel he is just getting beat up unfairly because he is the biggest name, and America loves nothing more than tearing down an Icon.

So cool down your **** little jets and let some FACTS come out.

You want a name to hate, make it this one: Mike McQueary

He is the one that saw the 2002 abuse, he is the one that ran away and let that kid get raped, he is the one that never went to the police, he is the one that let Sandusky walk around State College while he kept his mouth shut about what he SAW.

rebuy

mrbigbluelight wrote: »

How do you fire a retired man ? You don't, obviously.

BUT .... pay attention here, Einstein ..... you AT LEAST keep him off campus.

Which Paterno could have done.

And you take your name off Smuckfug's "charitable" foundation for young boys.

Which Paterno could have done.

"I told my superior ! Gee, what else could I have done ?!?!"

PA-FUGGING-PATHETIC !

Paterno ruled that town, he ruled that college

Paterno doesn't want him on campus ..... he doesn't get on campus.

Oh well .... I guess 6+ young BOYS getting raped .... well, we've got football games to win, right ?

As for as being a witchhunt .... bullcrap.

Read the fugging grand jury testimony (it's available on line) .... then tell me this is a witchhunt.

Some of you may now return to sucking Paterno's **** now. It's okay. It's legal ... but remember, rape is not.

PA-FUGGING-PATHETIC . :mad:

You nailed it perfectly.

MacLeod

Upstatemax wrote: »

You have zero clue what really happened with this whole situation. You have zero clue what Joe was told, how far Joe really went and what Joe was told after the report.

Yes, I'm giving a STAND UP MAN FOR OVER 60 YEARS the benefit of the doubt. Something he has earned. Once/If all the facts come out, I will pass judgement.

But for now, I feel he is just getting beat up unfairly because he is the biggest name, and America loves nothing more than tearing down an Icon.

So cool down your **** little jets and let some FACTS come out.

You want a name to hate, make it this one: Mike McQueary

He is the one that saw the 2002 abuse, he is the one that ran away and let that kid get raped, he is the one that never went to the police, he is the one that let Sandusky walk around State College while he kept his mouth shut about what he SAW.

McQueary absolutely deserves more hate than Paterno, definitely agree. However we DO know what Paterno was told because he testified to it in the grand jury. I'm paraphrasing but he said McQueary told him he saw Sandusky with a young boy in the showers fondling him in a sexual manner. First off I think he's lying and McQueary told him more but even if he didn't, "fondling a young boy in a sexual manner in a shower" is more than enough to warrant a call to the cops and to make sure Sandusky never steps foot in the school again. All he did was tell the AD then did nothing else. That is pathetic and inexcusable. Paterno is NOT a stand up person at all. A stand up man would've done something and not ignored a sexual predator roaming his halls for over a decade.

snow

cdn5003 wrote: »

DSkip are you saying that the community was complicit in the cover up? This community is shocked and emotionally distraught.


Think about this, one of the two eyewitnesses to a child being raped in a shower will be on the sidelines calling the pass plays for the offense. mcqueary has the worst moral compass of everyone involved (excluding sandusky of course).

What everyone wants to know is exactly what he told Joe about the 2002 rape.

IMO it doesn't matter, sandusky in a shower on campus with a second grader, call cops immediately

Agreed it really doesnt matter what was said if all the lurid details came out or not in that conversation, obviously what was said was bad enough that joe went to his superior and reported it. One thing im certain of is this any rational clear thinking person would realize that the person reported to joe that a child was getting analy raped how do you leave that part out? and if you didnt leave that part out anyone that deserves to suck the same air that we do would have went to the police, joe didnt because he was covering up protecing the unviersity and that was more important to him than the safety of that child and many more to come, joe being an adult would realize that was bound to happen.

cdn5003 wrote: »

Some people here love Joe unconditionally.

So what your saying is that no matter what joe did or didnt do these people feel joe should get a free pass? Sad so sad, the people who feel this way deserve to be in the same cell as joe getting butt raped also.

mrbigbluelight wrote: »

How do you fire a retired man ? You don't, obviously.

BUT .... pay attention here, Einstein ..... you AT LEAST keep him off campus.

Which Paterno could have done.

And you take your name off Smuckfug's "charitable" foundation for young boys.

Which Paterno could have done.

"I told my superior ! Gee, what else could I have done ?!?!"

PA-FUGGING-PATHETIC !

Paterno ruled that town, he ruled that college.

Paterno doesn't want him on campus ..... he doesn't get on campus.

Oh well .... I guess 6+ young BOYS getting raped .... well, we've got football games to win, right ?

As for as being a witchhunt .... bullcrap.

Read the fugging grand jury testimony (it's available on line) .... then tell me this is a witchhunt.

Some of you may now return to sucking Paterno's **** now. It's okay. It's legal ... but remember, rape is not.

PA-FUGGING-PATHETIC . :mad:

Agreed 100% on all accounts.

Upstatemax wrote: »

You have zero clue what really happened with this whole situation. You have zero clue what Joe was told, how far Joe really went and what Joe was told after the report.

Yes, I'm giving a STAND UP MAN FOR OVER 60 YEARS the benefit of the doubt. Something he has earned. Once/If all the facts come out, I will pass judgement.

But for now, I feel he is just getting beat up unfairly because he is the biggest name, and America loves nothing more than tearing down an Icon.

So cool down your **** little jets and let some FACTS come out.

You want a name to hate, make it this one: Mike McQueary

He is the one that saw the 2002 abuse, he is the one that ran away and let that kid get raped, he is the one that never went to the police, he is the one that let Sandusky walk around State College while he kept his mouth shut about what he SAW.

Stand up man? are you serious? yup he's the kinda guy I want living next to me so cowardly that he allows children to be raped. McQueary did exactly what joe did tell his superiors then left it alone, how is ok for joe to do this and not McQueary? If one is guilty then they both are they both did the same thing nothing!! That being said the janitor that wittenesed the 2000 assault is just as guilty as joe is so is the supervisor that did nothing. Fall 2000 A janitor named James Calhoun observes Sandusky in the showers of the Lasch Football Building with a young boy, known as Victim 8, pinned up against the wall, performing oral sex on the boy. He tells other janitorial staff immediately. Fellow Office of Physical Plant employee Ronald Petrosky cleans the showers at Lasch and sees Sandusky and the boy, who he describes as being between the ages of 11 and 13.

Calhoun tells other physical plant employees what he saw, including Jay Witherite, his immediate supervisor. Witherite tells him to whom he should report the incident. Calhoun was a temporary employee and never makes a report. Victim 8's identity is unknown.

And so is The DA and anyone else that was aware of these events and stood idly by. I know it hurts to see a hero be exposed as less than what you thought he was but it is what it is. Im pretty certain that if it was more personal and that it was your little boy that got anally raped you would feel differntly about joe being a stand up guy.



REGARDS SNOW

Tour2ma

I never realized that Penn St. was a Catholic university.

cnh

mhardy6647 wrote: »

Not to belittle the awful crimes that were committed and subsequently (apparently) overlooked... but it will be interesting to look back at this imbroglio in a year, or a decade, and see what the durable outcomes and lessons learned will have been.

To me (FWIW) the saddest part is the quasi-religion of "big" collegiate sports in this country - seems to throw the purpose of higher education completely out of kilter at many schools.

It's not just BIG collegiate sports. We have our requisite number of transgressions in the NESCAC. And frankly, EVERYTHING at these small liberal arts colleges is 'now' about money! Education takes a back seat. Our coaches are paid as much or more than our faculty? And our sports IMHO are not as important to the college as monster programs like PSU.

College Presidents are nothing more than the new CEOs of these new college corporations who spend most of their time wining and dining Trustees and playing golf in order to raise money. Currently, we have any number of scandals that our Administration does NOT want to deal with.

As for PSU. Ousting Paterno will not solve its problems. The chain of command here probably includes so many people that it's mind boggling! I can tell you from 'personal' experience that there is a HUGE chasm between top Administrators and EVERYONE else, including the faculty!

And when this is the case. The people in 'charge' deserve all the bad press and condemnation we can give them because they parade around like Feudal Nobility--thinking they have the Divine Right of Kings and are untouchable.

I've been involved with this for over two decades and it has only gotten 'worse' in that time!

cnh

cdn5003

SNOW you are critical of Upstatemax but he agrees with you. He is just giving some respect to the legal process. This isn't the wild west as much as some of us want it to be, we can't act on speculation about what exactly people knew and when they knew it.

snow

cdn5003 wrote: »

SNOW you are critical of Upstatemax but he agrees with you. He is just giving some respect to the legal process. This isn't the wild west as much as some of us want it to be, we can't act on speculation about what exactly people knew and when they knew it.

All I have to go on since I wasnt there is what has been reported, hopefuly this is fact and not speculation, as to the exact date that joe was notified I dont know but I do know that several years and several boys have been assulted since that time... that is a fact not speculation, I understand Upstatemax's position dont get me wrong no one wants to belive their hero did something wrong.

REGARDS SNOW

shawn474

I have worked in major level collegiate athletics for the last 15 years. I am responsible for drafting policies relating to the health and welfare of student athletes. The NCAA will be all over this, as they should. There WILL be a "recommendation" sent by the NCAA to every member school stating that they should have a Sexual Abuse Crisis Plan in place for proper reporting and follow-up that will almost assuredly include notification of local or state law enforcement officials at a minimum. Much like the Virginia Tech incident.

The issue is not whether or not JoePa did his due dilligence from a University policy standpoint (which, according to the letter of the law he did by reporting to his immediate supervisor). The issue that he is being taken to task for is the fact that knowing no follow-up was ordered and this scumbag was still allowed on campus to do this heinous act to multiple CHILDREN without having the moral compass to report to the authorities himself. Keep in mind that Sandusky was a friend of JoePa's for many decades.
I would love to believe that I would have run in and broke the guys neck while he was raping that 10 year old and you bet the law would have let me rot in my cell for the rest of my life. However, JoePa told his boss what he heard and fulfilled his obligation to the University (again morally fulfilled is another issue here) by reporting a friend for an incident that he did not witness personally. I can see where he may have been in denial that it had actually occurred, not wanting to believe or unable to comprehend that someone that he considered a friend could actually do something like that.

I am in no way excusing his behavior and lack of follow up. Simply, I think it is very easy to put yourself in those shoes and say that you would have done this or that. I would like to think I would have as well. But without physically witnessing the act, really all JoePa had to go on was the word of graduate assistant vs.a guy he considered a friend and worked with for decades.

Also, it is very sad to me that the whole coverage of this has evolved to JoePa's role in this vs. the guy who is a piece of crap and did this to young children. It has also taken the coverage away from the true victims.

Lastly, while this incident is regrettable and shameful, it cannot be forgotten that JoePa has coached these young men for 60 years with a stellar record of running a clean program, donating millions to help the lives of the University and community, being an active member in his church and influential in the raising of thousands of young men. I really believe that if I was a parent to one of these children, no extent of lawful punishment would be enough for me. I would e Sam Jackson in A Time to Kill.

mark090852

Well put.

shawn474 wrote: »

I have worked in major level collegiate athletics for the last 15 years. I am responsible for drafting policies relating to the health and welfare of student athletes. The NCAA will be all over this, as they should. There WILL be a "recommendation" sent by the NCAA to every member school stating that they should have a Sexual Abuse Crisis Plan in place for proper reporting and follow-up that will almost assuredly include notification of local or state law enforcement officials at a minimum. Much like the Virginia Tech incident.

The issue is not whether or not JoePa did his due dilligence from a University policy standpoint (which, according to the letter of the law he did by reporting to his immediate supervisor). The issue that he is being taken to task for is the fact that knowing no follow-up was ordered and this scumbag was still allowed on campus to do this heinous act to multiple CHILDREN without having the moral compass to report to the authorities himself. Keep in mind that Sandusky was a friend of JoePa's for many decades.
I would love to believe that I would have run in and broke the guys neck while he was raping that 10 year old and you bet the law would have let me rot in my cell for the rest of my life. However, JoePa told his boss what he heard and fulfilled his obligation to the University (again morally fulfilled is another issue here) by reporting a friend for an incident that he did not witness personally. I can see where he may have been in denial that it had actually occurred, not wanting to believe or unable to comprehend that someone that he considered a friend could actually do something like that.

I am in no way excusing his behavior and lack of follow up. Simply, I think it is very easy to put yourself in those shoes and say that you would have done this or that. I would like to think I would have as well. But without physically witnessing the act, really all JoePa had to go on was the word of graduate assistant vs.a guy he considered a friend and worked with for decades.

Also, it is very sad to me that the whole coverage of this has evolved to JoePa's role in this vs. the guy who is a piece of crap and did this to young children. It has also taken the coverage away from the true victims.

Lastly, while this incident is regrettable and shameful, it cannot be forgotten that JoePa has coached these young men for 60 years with a stellar record of running a clean program, donating millions to help the lives of the University and community, being an active member in his church and influential in the raising of thousands of young men. I really believe that if I was a parent to one of these children, no extent of lawful punishment would be enough for me. I would e Sam Jackson in A Time to Kill.

mhardy6647

Upstatemax wrote: »

...Yes, I'm giving a STAND UP MAN FOR OVER 60 YEARS the benefit of the doubt. Something he has earned...

Well, so folks thought. Until a couple of days ago. Now some folks aren't so sure.

brgman

Rumors of boys being pimped out to donors now?
Man this is gonna run deep and ugly before it's all over i think.

Mr. Sharpe

I knew there were some GA fans but didn't know how many people were actually from the south. I was just saying it almost seems like there are none, nobody replies to my football threads of course that's probably bc nobody likes Alabama haha.

evhudsons

Roll Tide!

My mom remarried a die hard Auburn fan. Ouch. But she remains a Bama fan. When I was at FSU my mom was in the press box with lee Corso. She told him about me and during a commercial break during the Auburn Bama game they were both doing the tomahawk chop and war chant. Gotta give props to mom for that!

Mr. Sharpe

that is awesome, I know for a fact there are about 4 people from the south on this forum lol

Malbec

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7205085/growing-penn-state

Here's a good read from a local perspective.

As a life long resident and Father, I am saddened, sickened and disgusted by this. I'll go the the game Saturday to support the players but when we sing the alma mater and get to the lyric "May no act of ours bring shame". I don't know if I'll be able to hold back the tears.