My emotiva amp wont fit my mit bananas
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pearsall001 wrote: »Do yourself a favor & ditch the MIT's!
DITTO!!!!!!
I have Installed more amps and banana plugs then everyone on this forum owns or ever owned and I have never once had a banana that wouldn't go into a binding post designed for banana's.
The guy at Emotiva who told you that banana ends are only for ease and spades are better is a clown. It's all about surface contact and most banana's have excellent surface contact.
I would like to see the ends of these wires as well. Must be poorly build.Dan
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If I'm reading this right you tried putting the banana in the side hole of the bindding post then tighten down the nut??
If you did then you have been doing it all wrong and the damage is your fault.
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Here's just the Banana's I did in the past 2 days.
One is a VSX50 Pioneer Elite which is a really nice entry level receiver that now does Airplay built in, thats incredibly hot and the other is a 8 zone very small Control 4 audio only system with Sonos and a iPod dock.Amp is a badass Control 4 16 channel 120 watts of pure class D power , it's one dynamic amp.
Dan
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Dan as always VERY NICE!!!
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I admire you, mantis
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Originally Posted by pearsall001
Do yourself a favor & ditch the MIT's!
Just because you took 5 steps backwards doesn't mean anyone else wants to follow.DITTO!!!!!!
I have Installed more amps and banana plugs then everyone on this forum owns or ever owned and I have never once had a banana that wouldn't go into a binding post designed for banana's......I would like to see the ends of these wires as well. Must be poorly build.
It's not the MIT banana plugs that are the problem here. They are high quality plugs and their craftsmanship is top notch. One quick look should tell anyone with half a brain that the binding posts are cheap crap.Political Correctness'.........defined
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Are the amp posts on those Emo's cast pieces? If so that looks like a stress fracture to me, like the metals used weren't cast properly, there could be others defective like that out there :eek:
They are cheap cast binding posts, not defective. Just like the cheap ones that come on inexpensive Chinese gear. How do you think they keep costs down?
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TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »If I'm reading this right you tried putting the banana in the side hole of the bindding post then tighten down the nut??
If you did then you have been doing it all wrong and the damage is your fault.
Please tell me I read that wrong..
The picture I posted is just the MIT bare connection with the scew on banana plug removed and put into the side of the post because the binding posts are too tight to accept the banana plug .In order to use 2 channels on the amp as it sits then putting the bare cable in sideways was the only way I could make a connection for power
I will just post again that nearly every single one of the binding posts holes are so tight that you cant even insert a banana p.Again I did not use excessive force when one of the binding posts just popped off .The amp has failed in a normal operation and only the 3 terminals in the picture I posted allowed me to put the naners -
DITTO!!!!!!
I have Installed more amps and banana plugs then everyone on this forum owns or ever owned and I have never once had a banana that wouldn't go into a binding post designed for banana's.
The guy at Emotiva who told you that banana ends are only for ease and spades are better is a clown. It's all about surface contact and most banana's have excellent surface contact.
I would like to see the ends of these wires as well. Must be poorly build.
You are saying Ditto about the post advising me to ditch the MIT's ? If so Dan then could you please give an explanation as to why ? -
Here's just the Banana's I did in the past 2 days.
To many cables running parallel to each other. Looks good, but certainly seems like a prime candidate for crosstalk, and other distortion.Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
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Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
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Emotiva is a source of pride and a monument to success.
:rolleyes:
When I told the rep about the problem and he said they have never had this problem and I said " So in the history of all emotiva amps this has never happened before " and he replied with a "nope we have never heard of this ever happening before " -
Well here's a pic of the way my rigs usually hooked up with no problems or broken binding posts
Just for those who who think I should ditch the MIT's
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Buy some Cardas CCGR or CCRR binding posts and install them into the emotiva (if you plan on keeping it). They will never break on you.
Greg
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Buy some Cardas CCGR or CCRR binding posts and install them into the emotiva (if you plan on keeping it). They will never break on you.
Spend more for the amp connectors than the amp. :eek:Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
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pearsall001 wrote: »Do yourself a favor & ditch the MIT's!
How about keep the MIT's and get an amp worthy of being connected using them.
Those binding posts look to be of very poor quality to begin with. They remind me of the cheal die-cast Tootsie toy cars that I sometimes got from my grandparents because HotWheels were to expensive.The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
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Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
"I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion."
My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....
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polkfarmboy wrote: »I bought the cheapo ones on offer
Maybe it's another case of you get what you paid for. :biggrin:
Just sayin'
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I have two UPA-1's..They have been great amps..i have bananas on all speaker wire.I had a Carver amp back in the 90's and had one plug break off. i have one plug on the back of my center Polk speaker that came loose.And on a Onkyo AVR one would never tighten up..So saying you get what you pay for is BS.Sh$t happen's..Emotiva's are good Amps..If they where sold from a store front a mark up on them 4 to 5 hundred more would be added.So to say you get what you pay for is a personal statement.Testing
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Shoulda taken the amp to a machine shop to be bored out to proper specs.
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I have two UPA-1's..They have been great amps..i have bananas on all speaker wire.I had a Carver amp back in the 90's and had one plug break off. i have one plug on the back of my center Polk speaker that came loose.And on a Onkyo AVR one would never tighten up..So saying you get what you pay for is BS.Sh$t happen's..Emotiva's are good Amps..If they where sold from a store front a mark up on them 4 to 5 hundred more would be added.So to say you get what you pay for is a personal statement.
All posts can break with enough lateral pressure. The issue here is they won't go in.
The company appears to have sourced those posts from a less
than stellar company. They didn't make them. No one from EVO caught the
problem. The problem becomes getting them to own up to it. I could fix it
with run of the mill post sets from the local electronics surplus place
and some time. But I don't know that the OP could. Let's hope they step
up."The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson -
I would think a company like Emo will step up, atleast with all the fanfare they get from their owners. If they don't that would be a real slap in the face. Binding posts and power switches are usually the first area's companies that build to a lower price point skimp on.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the MIT cables so those of you Pearsall and Mantis telling him to "dump" them is absurd, as if the cables caused the problems. You both don't care for MIT, that's fine there are plenty of other manufacturer's out there for you guys.
I suspect it's a combination of the Op's lack of knowledge and the fact that Emo binding post are less stout than some higher end gear. Although I find it almost impossible for this to happen, I just can't fathom how someone would continue to force the issue with enough force to physically break the binding post. It seems rather dumb to me the OP pushed it that far w/o realizing something wasn't right.
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How does anyone know whether the issue is the post, or the bananas, without actually seeing them? Both companies source components from China.
As far as the breakage, he can't get the banana out of the binding post now because it's so tight, so obviously quite a bit of force was used to try to push them in. -
How does anyone know whether the issue is the post, or the bananas, without actually seeing them? Both companies source components from China.
As far as the breakage, he can't get the banana out of the binding post now because it's so tight, so obviously quite a bit of force was used to try to push them in.
Well, the MIT's worked in other equipment, but you are right ALL of us are speculating because we haven't seen the parts. I suspect it's probably a combination of things.
IIRC, the cables the OP has have compression banana's that are not full closed so there should be some "give" in those vs. the solid closed variety like the Iconn connectors with the higher end MIT's
H9"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul! -
Looking at the OP's photo's those are Iconn's (not compression banana's) and visually looking at the binding posts and where it snapped of, those are about the cheapest binding posts I've ever seen. They are exactly like the set I have on a really inexpensive Chinese tube amp. They serve their purpose, but they are really cheapo.
H9"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul! -
heiney9..well said..I am not pushing Emo amps just because i have two of them..they are good amps..are they better amps out there you bet they are.Tubes amps ahhh...warm..as cool as they come...Guys the old timers in here have amps that will blow the doors off of speakers..I have learn a lot from these guys they mean well just don't take it personal.Testing
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How does anyone know whether the issue is the post, or the bananas, without actually seeing them? Both companies source components from China.
As far as the breakage, he can't get the banana out of the binding post now because it's so tight, so obviously quite a bit of force was used to try to push them in.
Well I did try hard to push it in and almost succeeded but it still did not go past half way in . Your right I had a hard time trying to get the banana out of the binding post because the banana has no grip .When I tried gently to insert the plugs then nothing was happening and even went firm and still no luck so yes I tried all the binding posts and they are all messed up but I never used that much force
This is my first amp and I do have limited knowledge so I thought you needed to really stick those nanars in there for safety reasons -
http://cgi.ebay.com/Dual-Binding-Posts-/150479226020?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item230942c4a4
http://cgi.ebay.com/10-X-5-Way-Audio-Amplifier-Dual-Terminal-Binding-Posts-/170605947666?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27b8e82b12
That's a retail price.
These are still cheap but much better posts (as in sturdier)
http://cgi.ebay.com/10pcs-5-WAY-SPEAKER-CABLE-AMPS-TERMINAL-BINDING-POSTS-/280712638422?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item415bc6efd6
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Thanks for the links heiney9..This is what i am talking about old timer with over 15,000 post!..Here cold beer!..Testing
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I think installing these would void the warranty ?
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Here's just the Banana's I did in the past 2 days.
One is a VSX50 Pioneer Elite which is a really nice entry level receiver that now does Airplay built in, thats incredibly hot and the other is a 8 zone very small Control 4 audio only system with Sonos and a iPod dock.Amp is a badass Control 4 16 channel 120 watts of pure class D power , it's one dynamic amp.
Nice clean look..nice work!Testing
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