Extremely Proud of my SDA 2B Speakers
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audiocr381ve wrote: »I'm using the same cable. I noticed using 2 of the 14 awg conductors per cable sounds better than using all 4. Have you experimented with this?
That's interesting... and I haven't but I will now (was actually using it in a single pair to bi-wire config in lieu of jumpers originally, not with the 2B's of course). I also have some BJC 12 white that I might be able to make a pair of 8' runs out of. Not the same animal of course, but it might be interesting to compare against something that started out as just two conductors. Plus playing with what I've already got is at least cheaper than buying new stuff.
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Bottom line, IMO, if somebody gives advice based on knowledge and real world experience, than so be it.
Some may consider "directness" as "egotistical" or "rudeness".
I consider it as a mark of respect, actually.
"I picked up 4 Krell Evolution 900 monoblocks at Goodwill yesterday for $50 in their original sealed boxes."
(and some of you SOB's on here are that lucky; don't know how you do it !
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"Will I be able to bi-amp my R15's with these ?"
A direct, correct response of:
"Sweet mother of gawd, they'll catch fire before you get halfway through your 'Best of Brittney Spears' CD !!" would be accurate and direct.
Now some folks might feel slighted because Brittney is their favorite artist but ..... shoot, that's on them, IMO. Direct and helpful answer. If there's nice fluffiness to the answer, that's nice. If not, then that's nice, too.
Some folks on here are real contributors behind the scenes, some relatively newer guys contribute front and center. Even one us relatively new guys, Mike (Gimpod), is a good example. Read, listened, asked questions, learned, and taught/teaches. Cool. Even if you don't have SDA's, he'll talk to you !:eek:
In any event, the Golden Rule applies:
"Get what you can with what you got, and be happy with what you get".
P.S. I'd be careful with that "Taliban" thing. Without mentioning names (GG), when they're provoked, they're capable of ..... well ..... just look to the west. One word : Arizona wildfires.
Further west, and ..... tsunami, or an improperly packed shipment of Matsushita vaccum tubes ? You be the judge. :eek:Sal Palooza -
mrbigbluelight wrote: »Bottom line, IMO, if somebody gives advice based on knowledge and real world experience, than so be it.
Some may consider "directness" as "egotistical" or "rudeness".
I consider it as a mark of respect, actually.
"I picked up 4 Krell Evolution 900 monoblocks at Goodwill yesterday for $50 in their original sealed boxes."
(and some of you SOB's on here are that lucky; don't know how you do it !)
"Will I be able to bi-amp my R15's with these ?"
A direct, correct response of:
"Sweet mother of gawd, they'll catch fire before you get halfway through your 'Best of Brittney Spears' CD !!" would be accurate and direct.
Now some folks might feel slighted because Brittney is their favorite artist but ..... shoot, that's on them, IMO. Direct and helpful answer. If there's nice fluffiness to the answer, that's nice. If not, then that's nice, too.
Some folks on here are real contributors behind the scenes, some relatively newer guys contribute front and center. Even one us relatively new guys, Mike (Gimpod), is a good example. Read, listened, asked questions, learned, and taught/teaches. Cool. Even if you don't have SDA's, he'll talk to you !:eek:
In any event, the Golden Rule applies:
"Get what you can with what you got, and be happy with what you get".
P.S. I'd be careful with that "Taliban" thing. Without mentioning names (GG), when they're provoked, they're capable of ..... well ..... just look to the west. One word : Arizona wildfires.
Further west, and ..... tsunami, or an improperly packed shipment of Matsushita vaccum tubes ? You be the judge. :eek:
LOL... agreed... mostly. I think you're wrong about one important thing.
Gimpod's real name isn't Mike.
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On3s&Z3r0s wrote: »That's interesting... and I haven't but I will now (was actually using it in a single pair to bi-wire config in lieu of jumpers originally, not with the 2B's of course). I also have some BJC 12 white that I might be able to make a pair of 8' runs out of. Not the same animal of course, but it might be interesting to compare against something that started out as just two conductors. Plus playing with what I've already got is at least cheaper than buying new stuff.
How would you characterize the difference when you used just two of the conductors?
I'm using the Emotiva XDA-1 DAC/PRE directly into my Emotiva XPA-2. When switching from the 2 conductors per terminal to 1, I feel like some edge/brightness was tamed down while still maintaining incredible dynamics. Someone also recommended I tried to go smaller and use some 18 awg.
My goal right now is to spend some good money on either a nice tube pre or warm SS pre. I have a feeling this would cure my issue with my system sounding a tad bright with the SDA's. I should mention the brightness DID NOT occur in my Paradigm Signature S2's. The tweeters on these bookshelves are so sweeeet I don't think they COULD sound bright. I'm picking up some AV123 Strata Mini's on Monday to do more comparisons. -
audiocr381ve wrote: »I'm using the Emotiva XDA-1 DAC/PRE directly into my Emotiva XPA-2. When switching from the 2 conductors per terminal to 1, I feel like some edge/brightness was tamed down while still maintaining incredible dynamics. Someone also recommended I tried to go smaller and use some 18 awg.
My goal right now is to spend some good money on either a nice tube pre or warm SS pre. I have a feeling this would cure my issue with my system sounding a tad bright with the SDA's. I should mention the brightness DID NOT occur in my Paradigm Signature S2's. The tweeters on these bookshelves are so sweeeet I don't think they COULD sound bright. I'm picking up some AV123 Strata Mini's on Monday to do more comparisons.
Cool, thanks. Overly bright is not a problem I've run into with mine, at least not since the TL upgrade. Good luck with the Strata Mini's! -
On3s&Z3r0s wrote: »Cool, thanks. Overly bright is not a problem I've run into with mine, at least not since the TL upgrade. Good luck with the Strata Mini's!
No problem dude!
I'm certain the brightness is a room thing. Tile floors, low ceiling, etc. Figuring out a way to add room treatments that don't make the living room look like an AMC theater is a challenge in our tiny townhouse! -
Your amp isn't helping matters either. The XPA-2 may be a monument to success to some here, but that amp ranks easily among the harshest sounding things I have ever come across.The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson -
nooshinjohn wrote: »Your amp isn't helping matters either. The XPA-2 may be a monument to success to some here, but that amp ranks easily among the harshest sounding things I have ever come across.
I thought the same thing till I heard Alan's setup, he has an XPA-2 and it sounds very good in his system with the SRS's.
When I had that amp in my system I hated it!!! -
On3s&Z3r0s wrote: »I think you're wrong about one important thing. Gimpod's real name isn't Mike.
Well ..... uhm ..... I could either admit I'm wrong, or else I could ..... let's see .... point out that Tony associates with Canadians and thus ..... uhm ....... maybe Mike is the undercover name he's uses during Taliban meetings !
...... No, you were right.
I'm posting from work with a tech manual on my lap, so I'm not marking this one down as a "Wrong", though. :rolleyes:
BTW, hope the Gimpod's doing okay.Sal Palooza -
I heard that amp on two occasions, it's not that harsh(I've heard worse), but it's not the last word in resolution either. Kind of grainy too.nooshinjohn wrote: »Your amp isn't helping matters either. The XPA-2 may be a monument to success to some here, but that amp ranks easily among the harshest sounding things I have ever come across."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche -
I'm thinking about trying Emotiva's UPA-1 monobloks which are 200wpc @ 8 ohms and 350 @ 4ohms. They're said to be a lot better for music than the XPA-2.
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Try a Nakamichi Pa7 mkII on those SDA's and you will never think about an Emo again. The were designed by Nelson Pass, and are phenomenal performers for the money.
This one is sold already, but will give you an idea.
http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampstran&1312115411&/Nakamichi-PA7-Power-amplifier;The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson -
nooshinjohn wrote: »Try a Nakamichi Pa7 mkII on those SDA's and you will never think about an Emo again. The were designed by Nelson Pass, and are phenomenal performers for the money.
This one is sold already, but will give you an idea.
http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampstran&1312115411&/Nakamichi-PA7-Power-amplifier;
Dang, that thing looks like it wants to pick a fight. -
nooshinjohn wrote: »Try a Nakamichi Pa7 mkII on those SDA's and you will never think about an Emo again. The were designed by Nelson Pass, and are phenomenal performers for the money.
This one is sold already, but will give you an idea.
http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampstran&1312115411&/Nakamichi-PA7-Power-amplifier;
Reminds me of a pissed off lion fish.
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Just because this is an SDA thread...let me remind you that monoblocks and SDAs combined will likely require the special interconnect cable or you could have a lot of nice paperweights. You may be able to strap them...but research before powering on!
Your "old" TFM-45 is matching well with my RTA15s. I think the NAD2600 I had was better, but the amount of corrosion I found inside made me leary of a rebuild. -
cincycat13 wrote: »Just because this is an SDA thread...let me remind you that monoblocks and SDAs combined will likely require the special interconnect cable or you could have a lot of nice paperweights. You may be able to strap them...but research before powering on!
Your "old" TFM-45 is matching well with my RTA15s. I think the NAD2600 I had was better, but the amount of corrosion I found inside made me leary of a rebuild.
Sweet man, glad you're enjoying it.
The SDA's are going back in the closet when the Strata Mini's get in. One thing cool about the Strata's is the complete control I will have over the bass while still having a big sound (built in powered subwoofers that don't necessarily need to be on). The Paradigm bookshelves were phenomenal, but along with them being dangerous for my daughter to be around (she would pull on the stands), I missed having the sound of a floorstander. Anyway, the monoblocks I mentioned would be paired with the Mini's. -
Not quite.He licensed Nak the use of the Stasis circuit and they did their own engineering and product development.nooshinjohn wrote: »They were designed by Nelson Pass, -
Nak used the Stasis topology almost entirely intact, but with a little of their own engineering. Based on the some of the scatterbrain posts from Audiocr8, he probably wouldn't like the Nak's. They would probably be a tad too smooth for him and they do bass very well, but lack a tiny bit of "heft" in the very low octaves.
I really like the sound of the Stasis amps, but if he's using Emo stuff right now and thinking it's incredible sounding then the more natural, neutral and balanced sound of the Nak wouldn't be to his liking.
H9"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul! -
Nak used the Stasis topology almost entirely intact, but with a little of their own engineering. Based on the some of the scatterbrain posts from Audiocr8, he probably wouldn't like the Nak's. They would probably be a tad too smooth for him and they do bass very well, but lack a tiny bit of "heft" in the very low octaves.
I really like the sound of the Stasis amps, but if he's using Emo stuff right now and thinking it's incredible sounding then the more natural, neutral and balanced sound of the Nak wouldn't be to his liking.
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You're spot on, Brock! I absolutely hate my bass sounding good. I also hate when things are smooth. Sharp, edgy, and bright is my thing.
On a less sarcastic note, I had my little Carver CT-6 preamp stored away and I didn't even think about adding it to the chain to see how it sounds with my new-to-me Emotiva XPA-2. So, I plugged it in and my goodness did it smooth things out. Not a hint of edginess or brightness. Problem is, things got a little muddy. I'm almost sure spending time finding the right pre is gonna get my system where I want it to be -
This is the kind of the thing that really gets people pissed off with you. Here you are on this thread telling people how proud you are of your 2B's, but then you get on someone else's thread about their new 1C's and you say this:audiocr381ve wrote: »On second thought, I wouldn't think about modifying them. There was something special about my 2B's before I performed almost every mod possible to them. Sometimes I wish I didn't touch a thing!
Who the hell are you to be offering someone advice on whether or not they should mod a pair of 1C's. Have you ever even laid eyes on a pair of 1C's? Suddenly you're an expert? You don't even have your 2B's paired with the right gear yet, yet you're passing advice like this along to others, on a general basis.
I don't think anyone is accusing me of being a Taliban double agent, but I'm growing seriously tired of you on this forum.Good music, a good source, and good power can make SDA's sing. Tubes make them dance. -
I agree, I am very tired of him as well that's why I listed him so I don't have to be bothered with his BS stories. The dude is Very Troll like IMO!!!
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This is the kind of the thing that really gets people pissed off with you. Here you are on this thread telling people how proud you are of your 2B's, but then you get on someone else's thread about their new 1C's and you say this:
Who the hell are you to be offering someone advice on whether or not they should mod a pair of 1C's. Have you ever even laid eyes on a pair of 1C's? Suddenly you're an expert? You don't even have your 2B's paired with the right gear yet, yet you're passing advice like this along to others, on a general basis.
I don't think anyone is accusing me of being a Taliban double agent, but I'm growing seriously tired of you on this forum.
Calm your **** down. You're in the wrong thread. -
TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »I agree, I am very tired of him as well that's why I listed him so I don't have to be bothered with his BS stories. The dude is Very Troll like IMO!!!
You keep an eye on the thread to post stuff like this? You're like the little fat kid who follows the bully's around screaming "yea, what he said!". Pathetic. -
audiocr381ve wrote: »Calm your **** down. You're in the wrong thread.
No you're in the wrong forum. Too bad your 2Bs didn't sell.Good music, a good source, and good power can make SDA's sing. Tubes make them dance. -
No you're in the wrong forum. Too bad your 2Bs didn't sell.
I'm gonna stick around just for you -
This is the kind of the thing that really gets people pissed off with you. Here you are on this thread telling people how proud you are of your 2B's, but then you get on someone else's thread about their new 1C's and you say this:
Who the hell are you to be offering someone advice on whether or not they should mod a pair of 1C's. Have you ever even laid eyes on a pair of 1C's? Suddenly you're an expert? You don't even have your 2B's paired with the right gear yet, yet you're passing advice like this along to others, on a general basis.
I don't think anyone is accusing me of being a Taliban double agent, but I'm growing seriously tired of you on this forum.
BTW, yes, you are on the list that you think nobody is accusing you of being on. You barely made the cut but you're just enough of a jackass, so congrats.
Shoot, you guys have turned me into one bitter **** audio guy! -
Wow, This thread fell apart.
It's a fun read though.
Hey audiocr381ve, did i make the list? -
Fortunately, I'm in a great position of not having to debate with you about which one of us is the true jackass. You've left enough breadcrumbs for any reader of this thread to follow in order to figure out what a complete ADHD OCD lunatic you are. People on this forum are tired of taking their time and offering help and advice to you, only to find out that our time has been wasted because you and your impatient rush decisions.
In case any reader is doubting whether or not we're all just a bunch of jackasses who pick on new guys, or if the problem here is that we all tried our best to help you, but there's not much we can do about the fact that you belong in an asylum, all the evidence is right here in these threads:
http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=119221
http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=119733
http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=120699
and then of course, this thread.
Only question is, if we're all just a bunch of jackasses, then why are you still here?
Oh, and by the way - if you're sticking me in the same category as Larry, Jesse, and Brock, then I thank you for that. I consider myself to be in great company.Good music, a good source, and good power can make SDA's sing. Tubes make them dance. -
Can't we please stop whipping this poor dead horse and let it decompose in peace?!?(or pieces)
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Not if he's going to start offering up his own brand of advice to newcomers to the forum. I don't want to see new people show up and get confused by this guy continuing to argue himself in circles. He's got this thread going about how proud he is of his speakers that he rebuilt, and he's showing up on other threads telling newcomers that we're just a bunch of people telling you to buy more expensive gear and he wishes he'd never touched his speakers.
Sorry, personally I'd like to see this guy banned.Good music, a good source, and good power can make SDA's sing. Tubes make them dance.
