Extremely Proud of my SDA 2B Speakers
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Agree with Brock on upgrading the gear. He is absolutely correct.
Also, I haven't experienced bloated bass fom the 2B's, 3.1TL's, or the 2.3TL's. If you are experiencing bloated bass, there is something else wrong (i.e. gear,room,etc). Needless to say (again) that Larry's rings will tighten up everything and give you more definition from the 2B's or any SDA's for that matter. They are essential.
Greg
Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
"I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion."![:\](https://forum.polkaudio.com/resources/emoji/confused.png ":\")
My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....
"Green leaves reveal the heart spoken Khatru"- Jon Anderson
"Have A Little Faith! And Everything You'll Face, Will Jump From Out Right On Into Place! Yeah! Take A Little Time! And Everything You'll Find, Will Move From Gloom Right On Into Shine!"- Arthur Lee -
Agree with Brock on upgrading the gear. He is absolutely correct.
Also, I haven't experienced bloated bass fom the 2B's, 3.1TL's, or the 2.3TL's. If you are experiencing bloated bass, there is something else wrong (i.e. gear,room,etc). Needless to say (again) that Larry's rings will tighten up everything and give you more definition from the 2B's or any SDA's for that matter. They are essential.
Greg
To bad I think Larry's an ****
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Yes, I think it's too bad you think that.
Greg
Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
"I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion."
My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....
"Green leaves reveal the heart spoken Khatru"- Jon Anderson
"Have A Little Faith! And Everything You'll Face, Will Jump From Out Right On Into Place! Yeah! Take A Little Time! And Everything You'll Find, Will Move From Gloom Right On Into Shine!"- Arthur Lee -
Agree with Brock on upgrading the gear. He is absolutely correct.
I am positive this is correct. Upgrading from my $600 2B TLs to a pair of $15,000 5a's would go a long way toward solving the problem for sure.
Seriously, sweeping generalizations like this make me think you guys have no idea what you're talking about. And I know Brock has been selling speakers and whatnot for 30 years. That doesn't make either one of you sound any smarter. I'm more likely to give bass traps a chance to be my silver bullet. -
on3s&z3r0s wrote: »i am positive this is correct. Upgrading from my $600 2b tls to a pair of $15,000 5a's would go a long way toward solving the problem for sure.
Seriously, sweeping generalizations like this make me think you guys have no idea what you're talking about. And i know brock has been selling speakers and whatnot for 30 years. That doesn't make either one of you sound any smarter. I'm more likely to give bass traps a chance to be my silver bullet.
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On3s&Z3r0s wrote: »I am positive this is correct. Upgrading from my $600 2B TLs to a pair of $15,000 5a's would go a long way toward solving the problem for sure.
Seriously, sweeping generalizations like this make me think you guys have no idea what you're talking about. And I know Brock has been selling speakers and whatnot for 30 years. That doesn't make either one of you sound any smarter. I'm more likely to give bass traps a chance to be my silver bullet.
That's fine. I don't need you to think I am smart or even take my or anyone else's advice. But, we are simply responding to what were brought up as problems of the 2B's and why the problems exist and how to correct it (them). If you don't think the advice Brock, myself or anyone else gave is good. Follow your own. But, you and audiocr381ve can't ask for advice and then say we are not smart enough to help you out by claiming that upgrading gear is a "sweeping generalization". Not only is that untrue (about it being a sweeping generalization) but it's just plain rude. Upgrading gear is simply that. No generalization involved. Get higher grade gear than what you currently have. That will make a difference in the sound. Just as using room tratments will help out.
Also, audiocr381ve himself said that in the audio rooms he auditioned the gear in were better acoustically than his. Also, the gear involved (i.e. Amps, pre-amps, CD players, record players, etc.) were better (higher grade). Obviously, if he brought that fact up he nows that upgrading his gear is a factor as well as room treatments. So, audiocr381ve you should follow the advice given and what your own ears heard and get room treatments and better gear (as stated by others and myself). If that includes speakers so be it, but don't ask for and then bash the advice given while trying to insult us. Just say "no thanks" to the advice and don't ask again.
Greg
Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
"I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion."
My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....
"Green leaves reveal the heart spoken Khatru"- Jon Anderson
"Have A Little Faith! And Everything You'll Face, Will Jump From Out Right On Into Place! Yeah! Take A Little Time! And Everything You'll Find, Will Move From Gloom Right On Into Shine!"- Arthur Lee -
That's fine. I don't need you to think I am smart or even take my or anyone else's advice. But, we are simply responding to what were brought up as problems of the 2B's and why the problems exist and how to correct it (them). If you don't think the advice Brock, myself or anyone else gave is good. Follow your own. But, you and audiocr381ve can't ask for advice and then say we are not smart enough to help you out by claiming that upgrading gear is a "sweeping generalization". Not only is that untrue (about it being a sweeping generalization) but it's just plain rude. Upgrading gear is simply that. No generalization involved. Get higher grade gear than what you currently have. That will make a difference in the sound. Just as using room tratments will help out.
Also, audiocr381ve himself said that in the audio rooms he auditioned the gear in were better acoustically than his. Also, the gear involved (i.e. Amps, pre-amps, CD players, record players, etc.) were better (higher grade). Obviously, if he brought that fact up he nows that upgrading his gear is a factor as well as room treatments. So, audiocr381ve you should follow the advice given and what your own ears heard and get room treatments and better gear (as stated by others and myself). If that includes speakers so be it, but don't ask for and then bash the advice given while trying to insult us. Just say "no thanks" to the advice and don't ask again.
Greg
I think you and Brock missed post #23. I mean this respectfully but I don't believe we asked for advice in this instance. We were simply sharing our experience with our 2B's.
Again, read post #23. It's not the room nor the electronics in my case. The first thing I noticed when I brought home the Paradigm Signature S2's was how much mid-bass I was missing on the 2B's. But it didn't take that for me to realize it. Every time I hear an upright bass, kick drum, or even regular bass guitar I feel like there is a chunk of frequency and definition missing in the mid-bass region. I wonder if the inductor upgrade will help this? (Now that's asking for advice
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Different speakers require different placement due to different off axis response, bass shelving, etc..."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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audiocr381ve wrote: »I think you and Brock missed post #23. I mean this respectfully but I don't believe we asked for advice in this instance. We were simply sharing our experience with our 2B's.
Again, read post #23. It's not the room nor the electronics in my case. The first thing I noticed when I brought home the Paradigm Signature S2's was how much mid-bass I was missing on the 2B's. But it didn't take that for me to realize it. Every time I hear an upright bass, kick drum, or even regular bass guitar I feel like there is a chunk of frequency and definition missing in the mid-bass region. I wonder if the inductor upgrade will help this? (Now that's asking for advice)
True, you and On3s&Z3r0s did not directly ask for advice( i.e "can you help me with (insert problem here)". But if you reread the thread from the beginning (as I just did), you are stating that the SDA 2B's are lacking in clarity and definition compared to (granted) some $10,000 to $16,000 speakers. By stating this and saying you love your SDA's and that you are glad you did not get rid of them implies you would like a solution to the lack of clarity and definition problem, correct? Why would you keep the SDA's you love and not correct the problems you are stating they (and/or the rest of your gear and room) have? If you plan on keeping them, this implies that you want them to sound their bes, which implies that you want a solution to the problems you are having. Granted, there is some implying on our part but logically I don't think there is a problem coming to that conclusion. Therefore, the advice was given from an indirect asking for the advice. Perhaps, not the same as directly asking for it but a problem was brought up and solutions were given. That is naturally the way it works. If you don't want a solution to the probem, why bring up the problem(s)? What I am saying is, if you bring up a problem then solutions will be given to correct it. One(problems) asks for the other(solutions).
Greg
Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
"I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion."
My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....
"Green leaves reveal the heart spoken Khatru"- Jon Anderson
"Have A Little Faith! And Everything You'll Face, Will Jump From Out Right On Into Place! Yeah! Take A Little Time! And Everything You'll Find, Will Move From Gloom Right On Into Shine!"- Arthur Lee -
True, you and On3s&Z3r0s did not directly ask for advice( i.e "can you help me with (insert problem here)". But if you reread the thread from the beginning (as I just did), you are stating that the SDA 2B's are lacking in clarity and definition compared to (granted) some $10,000 to $16,000 speakers. By stating this and saying you love your SDA's and that you are glad you did not get rid of them implies you would like a solution to the lack of clarity and definition problem, correct? Why would you keep the SDA's you love and not correct the problems you are stating they (and/or the rest of your gear and room) have? If you plan on keeping them, this implies that you want them to sound their bes, which implies that you want a solution to the problems you are having. Granted, there is some implying on our part but logically I don't think there is a problem coming to that conclusion. Therefore, the advice was given from an indirect asking for the advice. Perhaps, not the same as directly asking for it but a problem was brought up and solutions were given. That is naturally the way it works. If you don't want a solution to the probem, why bring up the problem(s)? What I am saying is, if you bring up a problem then solutions will be given to correct it. One(problems) asks for the other(solutions).
Greg
The lack of definition and clarity in the mid-bass department was a conclusion made when I first laid my ears on these speakers months ago, not after comparing them to $10k + speakers. Like I said, I come from a music background, so it was easy to spot this weakness in my SDA's from day 1. Again, what I'm describing was there both before and after any modifications were done.
I'd love for it to be my room or electronics, it's just not. I'm sure larry's rings or Brocks advice to spend more money on electronics would help, but I don't believe it would come close alleviating the problem. It's the speakers, lol. Am I gonna live with it? In the words of Cal Naughton Jr., YUP. -
audiocr381ve wrote:I think you and Brock missed post #23. I mean this respectfully but I don't believe we asked for advice in this instance. We were simply sharing our experience with our 2B's.
And I was trying to help you understand that *most* of the issue can be solved by running better gear. You don't get something for nothing. Also room treatments and proper placement are just as important.
Will a pair of modified 2B's hang with some of the company you listened to? Probably not, in a lot of area's. But SDA's of all types (but mostly the later generations) can sound very respectable against many of today's designs. SDA's CRAVE better and better gear and as you move up the ladder they sound better and better.
That was my only point, we all have budget's, limited cash, etc..........but you haven't even begun to touch the tip of the iceberg so to speak with quality gear, not even close, and again trust me on this, when you do you will be rewarded. In fact I believe you took a step backwards with gear choices.
H9"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul! -
Those who know know, Those who don't know don't know they don't know..
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yeppers,, don't do it like I did initially,,in other words,,start with the Source.Have fun and enjoy the journey.JC approves....he told me so. (F-1 nut)
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Damn... you guys go to all hours with this craziness! :rolleyes:
It sounds like maybe everyone is familiar with the various gear audiocr381ve has tried with the speakers. I'm sure I never said what I'm currently running with mine nor gave an itemization of the gear I've used with them since upgrading. If you don't know what I'm using and have used, then telling me to keep chasing the dragon on eBay is bad advice, and I don't think it's rude to discount it as such. You have to realize you're coming off as trashing someone's gear as a generality. Larry's pithy epigrams are equally useful.
It's not that I don't appreciate the effort to help solve the problem. DG and nspindel's suggestion of room treatments are specifically relevant to the bass bloat issue and sounds like something worth trying. But, regardless of your personal experience with modded 2B's, my personal experience is that I have had other speakers in this same room with this same equipment where I have liked the bass performance better. I realize that everything in audio is a combination of lots of variables, but the ones I'm going to play with first are the ones that I know to have introduced the problem, namely the speakers themselves. That's just my opinion. -
I'd love for it to be my room or electronics, it's just not.
In your case, yes it is.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk -
Shush, F1butt.
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In your case, yes it is.
+1000000 But we are wasting our time, Let their SDA's sound bloated..:rolleyes:
It took me six/eight months to really start getting it on setup. If guys are happy with the sound your getting sobeit!!! Thats all that matters in the first place.. But if you think it can't be better (Much Better that is!!) your saddly mistaking.. -
audiocr381ve wrote: »Read.
Now shush, F1butt.
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TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »Let me guess 5th grade???
Yep, was meant to be light-hearted. -
^^ Wow that comment was uncalled for...- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »^^ Wow that comment was uncalled for...
Was totally messing around! Literally made myself laugh out loud on that one. It was meant to go along with the 5th grade theme. Oh well... :rolleyes:
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Thats OK you proved my point!!
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audiocr381ve wrote: »Shush, F1butt.
You posted the gear you are running, you posted pictures of quite possibly the worst room I've ever seen and you insult me for trying to help you.!?! Welcome to the BOZO list.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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nvm.
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nvm.
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I feel that it is important for me to have the last word, and the last word is: nvm.
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On3s&Z3r0s wrote: »I feel that it is important for me to have the last word, and the last word is: nvm.
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Well it sounds like you allready know what the problem is...... the speakers themselves and your not looking for advice so what you want to do is obvious just **** about them, if the speakers are indeed the problem in your mind then simply replace them and quit your whining or try some of the things mentioned by people who have allready walked down the road your on now your choice. The same goes for AC.On3s&Z3r0s wrote: »Damn... you guys go to all hours with this craziness! :rolleyes:
It sounds like maybe everyone is familiar with the various gear audiocr381ve has tried with the speakers. I'm sure I never said what I'm currently running with mine nor gave an itemization of the gear I've used with them since upgrading. If you don't know what I'm using and have used, then telling me to keep chasing the dragon on eBay is bad advice, and I don't think it's rude to discount it as such. You have to realize you're coming off as trashing someone's gear as a generality. Larry's pithy epigrams are equally useful.
It's not that I don't appreciate the effort to help solve the problem. DG and nspindel's suggestion of room treatments are specifically relevant to the bass bloat issue and sounds like something worth trying. But, regardless of your personal experience with modded 2B's, my personal experience is that I have had other speakers in this same room with this same equipment where I have liked the bass performance better. I realize that everything in audio is a combination of lots of variables, but the ones I'm going to play with first are the ones that I know to have introduced the problem, namely the speakers themselves. That's just my opinion.
REGARDS SNOWWell, I just pulled off the impossible by doing a double-blind comparison all by myself, purely by virtue of the fact that I completely and stupidly forgot what I did last. I guess that getting old does have its advantages after all -
These threads are way too painful. Dude, you're not happy with the bass. Lots of people with lots of experience with these speakers are giving you lots of ideas to help the bass. I've got four words for you - spikes, room treatments, rings. And that's even before going down the better equipment route.
Why does every thread you're on turn into a pissing contest between you and everyone else???Good music, a good source, and good power can make SDA's sing. Tubes make them dance. -
Bet I can pee further!!!!
Some really good advice that won't be taken seriously.
I know neither of you were looking for advice, but when you say there is something lacking and others have fixed the problem they will chime in. If you didn't want advice talk to your wife.
