Extremely Proud of my SDA 2B Speakers

gdb

Wasted words, already been heard.

Big Dawg

These threads have merit in that good advice is being doled out. Doesn't matter if the OP takes the advice or not, it is out there for public consumption. However, the advice is not worth the pain.

geppy1

I really need to comment. Having been on here since 2003 it seems nothing changes. Back then I just read posts and saw a constant pattern of abuse. and attacking people I left in 2005 when I saw a member post to another new member after abusing them "thats how we roll here" REALLY??? It did even look at the site for two years. Back for 4 years now and here we are still. To quote a long time Polk employee 'it drives me nuts when I read this stuff"

1) There is alot of knowledge and help here but also a lot of ego Some people really need to get over themselves
2) The biggest problem hands down is the idea that GOD FORBID someone does not like SDAs or even RDOs. I cannot tell you the number of well known members here who have commented to me via phone or email that they are afraid to say anything about what the prefer least they get ripped for it.
3 Anybody comments about something not being right with an SDA or they just do not like them and the same people rise in mass with helpful advice and if that does not work then begin attacking that person
A Must be something wrong with your ears
B Your gear suchs
C You music sucks
D You suck

People need to take step back and lighten up because here is a news flash >>>>>>>as hard as it is to believe SDAs are not the last word in speakers. I have had 4 sets and still have pair with RDOs even and there are times I prefer my 10s because they project the music forward . It does not stop at the grill

There are sites where people get on each other no question and I do not spend much time on sites but from what I have seen this one is over the top. Almost cult like, in a disturbing way. Maybe if everyone just understands that not everyone (by any stretch of the imagination) loves SDAs or whatever it may be and treat each other with a little respect and understanding. Just a wild thought.

heiney9

Geppy1, perhaps it's time for another sabbatical. Anyone who thinks SDA's in the most modern form (modded, etc) are the be all, end all of speaker reproduction is fooling themselves. I, for one, have never said they were last word in speakers, but there are lot's of things one can do to improve them and that's the advice given here.

As far as projecting music forward? I have no problem with that......I get music projected forward, no problem. Not sure why you don't.

H9

heiney9

One of the most startling realizations I've had since owning SDA's is how they respond, improve, sound a whole lot better as better and better gear is thrown at them. I cannot stress that enough.

A 70's Marantz receiver as a pre-amp and a budget, entry level amp aren't going to give you close to what the SDA's are capable of, especially if they have new caps and RD0's, etc. Been there, done that.

H9

geppy1

Geppy1, perhaps it's time for another sabbatical

Thanks for making my point for me.

As far as projecting forward of the grills I am not the only one who has noticed this. A review you yourself have often sited is of the SDA 1C in Stereo Review JH points out in the review " the speaker does not project the sound forward of the grill (except along the side wall) but tend to have more laid back quality"

Also despite having SL2000s he mentions the " SDA 1C tends to have a slightly soft sound,completely free from shrillness and stridency"

Your right in that there is no question that gear can make a big difference but from my experience it could be from almost any era.as long as it matches up well

audiocr381ve

Honestly, wow. :eek:

The thread was started to praise the SDA's, not to have a cute little discussion about how to fix what I, or others see to be its weakness. So don't show up and offer advice that wasn't asked for, whine like a little girl when you don't get a browny for it, insult me repeatedly about my gear, put words in my mouth, and then continue to flaunt your perceived seniority as if your illusion of a topic was conquered by you n' the gang.

My for sale ads are constantly interrupted with snide remarks which anywhere else is unacceptable. I'm followed around just to see if their is an opportunity to take a shot at me. I'm told "enjoy the journey" when the some of you really mean "enjoy the journey the way we do, or your an outsider". I'm trying to celebrate Polk speakers and that was the intention of this thread.

My goodness men. Some of you see what you want to see for your own gain. Blinded by past discussions you can't even jump into a conversation that was created to have a little fun with.

aviator

On average and on balance, I've found the political threads that have been closed less annoying than most of audiocr381ve's needing advice, rejected same posts.

snow

audiocr381ve wrote: »

Honestly, wow. :eek:

The thread was started to praise the SDA's, not to have a cute little discussion about how to fix what I, or others see to be its weakness. So don't show up and offer advice that wasn't asked for, whine like a little girl when you don't get a browny for it, insult me repeatedly about my gear, put words in my mouth, and then continue to flaunt your perceived seniority as if your illusion of a topic was conquered by you n' the gang.

My for sale ads are constantly interrupted with snide remarks which anywhere else is unacceptable. I'm followed around just to see if their is an opportunity to take a shot at me. I'm told "enjoy the journey" when the some of you really mean "enjoy the journey the way we do, or your an outsider". I'm trying to celebrate Polk speakers and that was the intention of this thread.

My goodness men. Some of you see what you want to see for your own gain. Blinded by past discussions you can't even jump into a conversation that was created to have a little fun with.

Wow way to win friends and influence people :biggrin: People chime in simply because it is the nature of the good people here to offer help if there are problems simple as that, you nor anyone else has to take any advice offered nor is anyone telling you that SDA's dont have their shortcomings all speakers do, it is really hard to say truthfully that a speaker isnt performing when the gear isnt up to the task, H9 speaks from experience when he is telling you this and it is true that the gear is very important when it comes to how the SDA's perform they will only reproduce what is fed them simple as that. Haul your Marantz into the stereo store that has multi thousand dollar speakers and amps and see how it sounds on them if you dont believe Brock.

As far as people following you around and harrasing you well with this attitude I can see why. Oh well im not wasting my breath anymore in this thread.



REGARDS SNOW

audiocr381ve

snow wrote: »

Wow way to win friends and influence people :biggrin:People chime in simply because it is the nature of the good people here to offer help if there are problems simple as that, you nor anyone else has to take any advice offered nor is anyone telling you that SDA's dont have their shortcomings all speakers do, it is really hard to say truthfully that a speaker isnt performing when the gear isnt up to the task, H9speaks from experience when he is telling you this and it is true that the gear is very important when it comes to how the SDA's perform they will only reproduce what is fed them simple as that. Haul your Marantz into the stereo store that has multi thousand dollar speakers and amps and see how it sounds on them if you dont believe Brock.

As far as people following you around and harrasing you well with this attitude I can see why. Oh well im not wasting my breath anymore in this thread.



REGARDS SNOW

How humble of you to offer such profound insight.

snow

geppy1 wrote: »

I really need to comment. Having been on here since 2003 it seems nothing changes. Back then I just read posts and saw a constant pattern of abuse. and attacking people I left in 2005 when I saw a member post to another new member after abusing them "thats how we roll here" REALLY??? It did even look at the site for two years. Back for 4 years now and here we are still. To quote a long time Polk employee 'it drives me nuts when I read this stuff"

1) There is alot of knowledge and help here but also a lot of ego Some people really need to get over themselves
2) The biggest problem hands down is the idea that GOD FORBID someone does not like SDAs or even RDOs. I cannot tell you the number of well known members here who have commented to me via phone or email that they are afraid to say anything about what the prefer least they get ripped for it.
3 Anybody comments about something not being right with an SDA or they just do not like them and the same people rise in mass with helpful advice and if that does not work then begin attacking that person
A Must be something wrong with your ears
B Your gear suchs
C You music sucks
D You suck

People need to take step back and lighten up because here is a news flash >>>>>>>as hard as it is to believe SDAs are not the last word in speakers. I have had 4 sets and still have pair with RDOs even and there are times I prefer my 10s because they project the music forward . It does not stop at the grill

There are sites where people get on each other no question and I do not spend much time on sites but from what I have seen this one is over the top. Almost cult like, in a disturbing way. Maybe if everyone just understands that not everyone (by any stretch of the imagination) loves SDAs or whatever it may be and treat each other with a little respect and understanding. Just a wild thought.

Well if that is how you feel when people are only offering advice because they care then yes maybe it's time to leave, Im certain you can sell your gear elsewhere 98% of all your posts here are simply selling stuff anyways.



REGARDS SNOW

audiocr381ve

snow wrote: »

Wow way to win friends and influence people :biggrin: People chime in simply because it is the nature of the good people here to offer help if there are problems simple as that, you nor anyone else has to take any advice offered nor is anyone telling you that SDA's dont have their shortcomings all speakers do, it is really hard to say truthfully that a speaker isnt performing when the gear isnt up to the task, H9 speaks from experience when he is telling you this and it is true that the gear is very important when it comes to how the SDA's perform they will only reproduce what is fed them simple as that. Haul your Marantz into the stereo store that has multi thousand dollar speakers and amps and see how it sounds on them if you dont believe Brock.

As far as people following you around and harrasing you well with this attitude I can see why. Oh well im not wasting my breath anymore in this thread.



REGARDS SNOW

Wait, I thought you said...?

And by the way, like I said, offering help is one thing. Demanding it be taken and throwing a grown man tantrum when it's not is pathetic, which seem to be 90% of your posts.

Lolol.

nooshinjohn

I find my SDA's to be like a vintage Corvette. In stock form, they are a great performer, and restored or maintained well, they will sound great for a long time. A mod or tweek here and there and they perform even better.

It is when you start upgrading the horsepower(amps) and working the suspension(source gear) and upgrading the interior(crossover) that they really come into their own. The bottom line however is that no matter what you do to them, they are still a vintage platform and there is nothing that can change that.

I am also the kind of guy that prefers the look and feel of a classic car over the tin cans they build today, and feel they offer better value overall than their newer counterparts. I feel the same when it comes to speakers and other audio components. Let someone else eat the depreciation and do the break-in form me so that way I can just kick back and enjoy!

TennMan

geppy1 wrote: »

I really need to comment. Having been on here since 2003 it seems nothing changes. Back then I just read posts and saw a constant pattern of abuse. and attacking people I left in 2005 when I saw a member post to another new member after abusing them "thats how we roll here" REALLY??? It did even look at the site for two years. Back for 4 years now and here we are still. To quote a long time Polk employee 'it drives me nuts when I read this stuff"

1) There is alot of knowledge and help here but also a lot of ego Some people really need to get over themselves
2) The biggest problem hands down is the idea that GOD FORBID someone does not like SDAs or even RDOs. I cannot tell you the number of well known members here who have commented to me via phone or email that they are afraid to say anything about what the prefer least they get ripped for it.
3 Anybody comments about something not being right with an SDA or they just do not like them and the same people rise in mass with helpful advice and if that does not work then begin attacking that person
A Must be something wrong with your ears
B Your gear suchs
C You music sucks
D You suck

People need to take step back and lighten up because here is a news flash >>>>>>>as hard as it is to believe SDAs are not the last word in speakers. I have had 4 sets and still have pair with RDOs even and there are times I prefer my 10s because they project the music forward . It does not stop at the grill

There are sites where people get on each other no question and I do not spend much time on sites but from what I have seen this one is over the top. Almost cult like, in a disturbing way. Maybe if everyone just understands that not everyone (by any stretch of the imagination) loves SDAs or whatever it may be and treat each other with a little respect and understanding. Just a wild thought.

That is the most accurate and honest post I have read on this forum in a long time. It's good to see that someone else recognizes that there is a group here, and they know who they are, that is going around like the Gestapo to put down any resistance by those who dare to say they don't want to be part of their gang or challenge their authority to dictate to this forum what can be discussed. They are by far the minority here but they are so vocal in trying to dominate everything that everyone gives up and lets them have their way because arguing with them is not worth it. That handful of people here are ruining a great forum for everyone except their blind followers. They act like the Taliban, persecuting those who don't believe what they do and dictate to their meek followers what can be said in public. Little do they know what is being said about them in private.

I know all the goons are going to swoop down on me to put an end to this dissension before it spreads to the masses but that is nothing new. Hang in there geppy1. You're sentiments are that of the silent majority here on this forum.

F1nut

That is the most accurate and honest post I have read on this forum in a long time.

You've been here what, 4 months? Your comments are laughable.

F1nut

geppy1 wrote:

People need to take step back and lighten up because here is a news flash >>>>>>>as hard as it is to believe SDAs are not the last word in speakers. I have had 4 sets and still have pair with RDOs even and there are times I prefer my 10s because they project the music forward . It does not stop at the grill

Geppy, I have a sound stage from my SDA's that not only has the famous width, but I have a deep front to back and top to bottom stage. I feed them very well and they respond beautifully.

Toolfan66

Geppy,

Have you read audiocr381ve's posts?? I have given this yoyo lots of insight only to have it covered by many BS stories!!

snow

TennMan wrote: »

That is the most accurate and honest post I have read on this forum in a long time. It's good to see that someone else recognizes that there is a group here, and they know who they are, that is going around like the Gestapo to put down any resistance by those who dare to say they don't want to be part of their gang or challenge their authority to dictate to this forum what can be discussed. They are by far the minority here but they are so vocal in trying to dominate everything that everyone gives up and lets them have their way because arguing with them is not worth it. That handful of people here are ruining a great forum for everyone except their blind followers. They act like the Taliban, persecuting those who don't believe what they do and dictate to their meek followers what can be said in public. Little do they know what is being said about them in private.

I know all the goons are going to swoop down on me to put an end to this dissension before it spreads to the masses but that is nothing new. Hang in there geppy1. You're sentiments are that of the silent majority here on this forum.

Taliban Gestapo? Dude you need to get back on your meds pronto.

F1nut wrote: »

You've been here what, 4 months? Your comments are laughable.

Quoted for truth.

TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »

Geppy,

Have you read audiocr381ve's posts?? I have given this yoyo lots of insight only to have it covered by many BS stories!!

Larry it doesnt matter he is convinced along with a few others that anyone that has x amount of posts or has been here x amount of time is part of some evil force, the truth of the matter really is that most of the ones who have been here for very long and are active are very helpful in many ways we are not the Taliban or the Gestapo or any other names people may want to come up with, for example GG who it seems a lot of newcomers dont understand right off spends his life dedicated to helping out kids who cant help themselves, F1 has helped out many here not only with his knowledge but with audio/video gear even with money behind the scenes, The same goes for Doro and many many others here who every year help others publically and behind the scenes.



REGARDS SNOW

audiocr381ve

TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »

Geppy,

Have you read audiocr381ve's posts?? I have given this yoyo lots of insight only to have it covered by many BS stories!!

Says the man who's own signature is meant to mock me publicly and slight me (slight - to treat (someone) with indifference; ignore, especially pointedly or contemptuously). Remind me, who's the 2nd grader?

I have been 100% honest on this forum and although I change my mind like a mad man, I have been honest about it.

Toolfan66

Hey you posted it, I just found it funny, and yet you post a thread to celebrate SDA's?? You make no sense brother..

audiocr381ve

F1nut wrote: »

You've been here what, 4 months? Your comments are laughable.

It only takes reading a few posts from guys like you to come to the conclusion that I and many others see in the Club Polk Elite Gangsters.

It comes down to motivation. I don't doubt that the guys who TennMan refers to as the Gestapo have been helpful, but behind it all are a bunch of grown boys who's motive's are questionable at best.

They like to reign and rule as tyrants of the board that act blameless and charitable but when their asses aren't kissed, or they aren't bowed down to, or their advice is not taken, then that is when you see what lies beneath this pathetic attitude of "we just want to help". No, you want to dominate. You want to be king but we all know you're a joke. The few that follow are an even bigger joke.

These aren't honorable men who are good leaders that want to cultivate an atmosphere of growth and learning in this hobby but would rather push those away who aren't on their side, or aren't as far along as they are. I'm glad to see people starting to step up. I'm glad to be the guy who gets publicly stoned so long as it reveals the select few who are a cancer to club polk. Stone away!

Toolfan66

This message is hidden because audiocr381ve is on your ignore list.


Fixed!!

Enjoy your journey non the less!!!

F1nut

Originally Posted by audiocr381ve
They aren't the most popular speakers in the world due to their size.

audiocr381ve wrote:

Extremely Proud of my SDA 2B Speakers

TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »

Hey you posted it, I just found it funny, and yet you post a thread to celebrate SDA's??

The irony has been noted by the Taliban Gestapo. After we stop laughing....err....if we stop laughing......ah forget it, we'll never stop laughing about that one.

headrott

Ok guys. I cannot speak for others as I have never met personally, and do not know other members on the forum (other than on the forum) that you are referring to (AKA "The Taliban Gestapo") but I can speak for myself in saying that I think you are crazy for trying to suggest I (and I believe we) was/were bashing your gear. I would also say that I do not believe anyone else was either. It is you (audiocr381ve and On3s&Z3r0s) who believe that we were bashing your gear and trying to keep you in the lower class in Club Polk. That is simply untrue.

My genuine purpose was to back up other peoples' well meaning suggestions to further your enjoyment of the SDA 2B's. That is all. This was based upon experiences I have had with my SDA 2B's in the past 11 years. Other people that gave suggestions have used SDA's for much longer than that. Experience counts. That is fact. If you take that as egotistical, so be it. I do not believe that is the case. But please don't try to make people who I believe are genuinely trying to help you out as people who are "bashing your gear, or domiate you and be the king". Take a step back and look objectively at what is going on in this thread. Please. Or don't and keep making people out as "Taliban Gestapo".

Greg

bluecomet

Members on this forum have a passion for music and audio gear. When you have passion you feel strongly about what you believe in. Everyone here is on a sonic journey and we help each other out with our own personal experiences. Take it for what it's worth. Advise. Nothing more nothing less. There's many good people here just trying to help. I have learned many things here in the last couple of years, you don't have to always agree with someone but I feel you always need to respect someone. Enjoy your SDA's.

On3s&Z3r0s

This thread seems to have gotten blown way out of any sensible proportion at this point, but there's no way it could have gotten here if there wasn't a kernel of truth on both sides. I'm sure most guys here post because they feel they are being helpful. But there's a lot of ego and strong personality that accompanies that plus some degree of religious fervor for the SDAs. The old timers get cranky when you don't respect their experience or question the terse "advice" you get. And us newbies don't like to hear that our cheap gear or imperfect acoustic space is solely at fault. Arguing the merits of either faction's position is fairly pointless.

Anyway, I spent most of last evening playing with my setup and space, and from my personal experience, the room wasn't the problem. The 2B's sounded just as crappy on the 2-channel gear in a different room, dedicated to home theater, where the HT bass sounds fine. On the HT receiver, they sounded actually a little better than on the 2-channel integrated. They sounded the best on a pretty decent separate amp, as expected, so yeah, better gear does tighten up the bass. But the single factor that made the biggest difference in my situation was the speaker cables.

I'm not gonna name any brand names because I know that's a hugely partisan issue, but after I got everything all hooked back up in my 2-channel space with the different cables, there was a huge improvement even using the same integrated amp I had been. It still wasn't as good as using the separate amp, and swapping out the speaker cables had a much subtler effect with the separate amp than with the integrated.

One lesson I take is that the wires in your system do matter. Unfortunately, figuring out which wires will work best is a matter of trial and error. In my case, the "better" cables sounded worse with the gear I like to run. Second, as a corollary, talking about synergy makes you sound like one of those crystals-and-unicorns new agey people, but it is also unfortunately real and again best approached through direct subjective experience and trial and error.

And finally, we should all always respect Bill and Ted's advice and be excellent to each other, keeping in mind that respect has to go both ways. If you're not trying to sound respectful yourself, you got no reason to expect respect coming back your way.

bluecomet

On3s&Z3r0s wrote: »

This thread seems to have gotten blown way out of any sensible proportion at this point, but there's no way it could have gotten here if there wasn't a kernel of truth on both sides. I'm sure most guys here post because they feel they are being helpful. But there's a lot of ego and strong personality that accompanies that plus some degree of religious fervor for the SDAs. The old timers get cranky when you don't respect their experience or question the terse "advice" you get. And us newbies don't like to hear that our cheap gear or imperfect acoustic space is solely at fault. Arguing the merits of either faction's position is fairly pointless.

Anyway, I spent most of last evening playing with my setup and space, and from my personal experience, the room wasn't the problem. The 2B's sounded just as crappy on the 2-channel gear in a different room, dedicated to home theater, where the HT bass sounds fine. On the HT receiver, they sounded actually a little better than on the 2-channel integrated. They sounded the best on a pretty decent separate amp, as expected, so yeah, better gear does tighten up the bass. But the single factor that made the biggest difference in my situation was the speaker cables.

I'm not gonna name any brand names because I know that's a hugely partisan issue, but after I got everything all hooked back up in my 2-channel space with the different cables, there was a huge improvement even using the same integrated amp I had been. It still wasn't as good as using the separate amp, and swapping out the speaker cables had a much subtler effect with the separate amp than with the integrated.

One lesson I take is that the wires in your system do matter. Unfortunately, figuring out which wires will work best is a matter of trial and error. In my case, the "better" cables sounded worse with the gear I like to run. Second, as a corollary, talking about synergy makes you sound like one of those crystals-and-unicorns new agey people, but it is also unfortunately real and again best approached through direct subjective experience and trial and error.

And finally, we should all always respect Bill and Ted's advice and be excellent to each other, keeping in mind that respect has to go both ways. If you're not trying to sound respectful yourself, you got no reason to expect respect coming back your way.

Respect is a two way street. I may be one of the crystal and unicorn crowd because I completely agree on the synergy point. Some speakers sound like crap on some gear where others sound great. I don't know why. It is what it is. Who knows you may find the one piece of gear that puts it all together. That's what fun about this hobby. The chase for sonic bless. Good luck on the voyage.

audiocr381ve

On3s&Z3r0s wrote: »

This thread seems to have gotten blown way out of any sensible proportion at this point, but there's no way it could have gotten here if there wasn't a kernel of truth on both sides. I'm sure most guys here post because they feel they are being helpful. But there's a lot of ego and strong personality that accompanies that plus some degree of religious fervor for the SDAs. The old timers get cranky when you don't respect their experience or question the terse "advice" you get. And us newbies don't like to hear that our cheap gear or imperfect acoustic space is solely at fault. Arguing the merits of either faction's position is fairly pointless.

Anyway, I spent most of last evening playing with my setup and space, and from my personal experience, the room wasn't the problem. The 2B's sounded just as crappy on the 2-channel gear in a different room, dedicated to home theater, where the HT bass sounds fine. On the HT receiver, they sounded actually a little better than on the 2-channel integrated. They sounded the best on a pretty decent separate amp, as expected, so yeah, better gear does tighten up the bass. But the single factor that made the biggest difference in my situation was the speaker cables.

I'm not gonna name any brand names because I know that's a hugely partisan issue, but after I got everything all hooked back up in my 2-channel space with the different cables, there was a huge improvement even using the same integrated amp I had been. It still wasn't as good as using the separate amp, and swapping out the speaker cables had a much subtler effect with the separate amp than with the integrated.

One lesson I take is that the wires in your system do matter. Unfortunately, figuring out which wires will work best is a matter of trial and error. In my case, the "better" cables sounded worse with the gear I like to run. Second, as a corollary, talking about synergy makes you sound like one of those crystals-and-unicorns new agey people, but it is also unfortunately real and again best approached through direct subjective experience and trial and error.

And finally, we should all always respect Bill and Ted's advice and be excellent to each other, keeping in mind that respect has to go both ways. If you're not trying to sound respectful yourself, you got no reason to expect respect coming back your way.

I'd like to hear what cables worked in your system

On3s&Z3r0s

audiocr381ve wrote: »

I'd like to hear what cables worked in your system

The stuff that worked better was just some of the Canare star quad that BJC sells home-terminated as a single stereo pair at each end. The integrated that I'm currently using is a NAD C320BEE, which is an inexpensive but generally well regarded 50WPC integrated. It was really weird how much the various NAD stuff I have (tried a couple different pieces with similar results) and the other speaker cable did not get along. This actually wasn't the speaker cable I was intending on trying (Mapleshade golden helix), which I haven't bought yet. If I end up getting any of that and start feeling like I want to have my very own thread with an X next to it I'll post in more detail about the various cable I've tried.

audiocr381ve

On3s&Z3r0s wrote: »

The stuff that worked better was just some of the Canare star quad that BJC sells home-terminated as a single stereo pair at each end. The integrated that I'm currently using is a NAD C320BEE, which is an inexpensive but generally well regarded 50WPC integrated. It was really weird how much the various NAD stuff I have (tried a couple different pieces with similar results) and the other speaker cable did not get along. This actually wasn't the speaker cable I was intending on trying (Mapleshade golden helix), which I haven't bought yet. If I end up getting any of that and start feeling like I want to have my very own thread with an X next to it I'll post in more detail about the various cable I've tried.

I'm using the same cable. I noticed using 2 of the 14 awg conductors per cable sounds better than using all 4. Have you experimented with this?