Logitech Squeezebox Touch vs. Duet

DMara

I have a couple questions and hope our CP experts can help clarify:

1. What's the difference between the little receiver that came with the Squeezebox Duet and the Squeezebox Touch? Is the Touch better per audio quality?

2. I currently own the Duet. If I buy an additional Squeezebox Touch for another zone, will I be able to use the Duet controller to control the Touch?

Zaigrith

I can use the duet controller to control my squeeze-box boom, so i imagine that it would work. I can also synchronize them and use them both with the one controller. I had a hard time trying to figure out how to change devices on the duet remote, but i believe you hold down the back button while at the home screen until you are presented with the list of devices on your network.

heiney9

The Touch has better DAC's supposedly as well as the screen on the unit and accepts USB devices.

The Duet controller should control the Touch. I wasn't aware you could buy a Duet reciever without the remote.

H9

thuffman03

It is my understanding you can use the Duet remote to control any of the Squeezebox devices. You can buy just the Duet remote with out the base. MSRP $299.

Face

heiney9 wrote: »

The Duet controller should control the Touch. I wasn't aware you could buy a Duet reciever without the remote.

H9

I don't believe you can anymore.

nspindel

The Touch is supposed to have very good sound quality, much better than the Squeezebox Classic from what I understand. I have one on order, really looking forward to getting it. Also, besides the Transporter, the Touch is the only Squeezebox that can play 2496 audio without downsampling.

You should be able to control any SB with the Duet controller. Personally, I hate that controller. If you have an iphone, ipod touch, or ipad, check out the app called iPeng. It is a great Squeezebox controller, it destroys the Duet controller, and turns you ios device into a Squeezebox player as well.

Yes, you can get a receiver without the remote - the product name is just called the Squeezebox Receiver. Beware, though - there's a funky reason why you need at least one Controller if you're using a Receiver. The only way to get the Receiver connected with your server is through the Controller, you can't do that with iPeng.

nspindel

Face wrote: »

I don't believe you can anymore.

Ah, Face is right, looks like they've gotten rid of the player as a standalone product.

AsSiMiLaTeD

For the iPad, SqueezePad is a much better app as it is designed for the iPad, whereas iPeng is not.

heiney9

Also Android has an app (Squeeze Commander) that is almost identical to the iPeng app. I've used both and they are excellent.

If it were me I'd get the Touch. I don't use the internal dac so I can't comment beyond what I've read.

nspindel

AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »

For the iPad, SqueezePad is a much better app as it is designed for the iPad, whereas iPeng is not.

There is an iPad version of iPeng. It's a completely different app designed for iPad, you need to purchase it separately. It's called iPengHD. It is excellent.

Zaigrith

I was using the android app yesterday(the free one from Logitech) and I was impressed. It was a little more cumbersome on the large list of artists, but overall I like being able to control from my phone. I definitely recommended checking it out if you have a phone that can run it.

Ricardo

nspindel wrote: »

It is a great Squeezebox controller, it destroys the Duet controller, and turns you ios device into a Squeezebox player as well.

Are you saying I can actually make my itouch play music from the SQB server? How?

nspindel

Buy the app, and enable playback (which is an additional couple of bucks). Open a port 9000 on your router and forward to your squeezebox server, and your itouch can play your squeezebox collection from anywhere you have wifi.

nspindel

I barely ever add music to my iphone any more. I just stream it from home. I sit at my desk in my office listening to my home squeezebox server all day long. Thank you AT&T unlimited data plan...

AsSiMiLaTeD

nspindel wrote: »

There is an iPad version of iPeng. It's a completely different app designed for iPad, you need to purchase it separately. It's called iPengHD. It is excellent.

Wierd, that did not come up the other day when I did a search, the regular iPeng did come up and so did Squeezepad but not iPengHD

nspindel

Can SqueezePad be a player?

nspindel

Basically iPeng now has Squeezecast built into it.

DMara

You guys are awesome!!! Thanks so much for all of those good infos

nspindel

We aim to please around here...

Ricardo

nspindel wrote: »

Buy the app, and enable playback (which is an additional couple of bucks). Open a port 9000 on your router and forward to your squeezebox server, and your itouch can play your squeezebox collection from anywhere you have wifi.

Didn't know that. I alredy have iPeng. But now that I think of it, why would I want to add this when I already have two SQB touch to play in the house....

nspindel wrote: »

I barely ever add music to my iphone any more. I just stream it from home. I sit at my desk in my office listening to my home squeezebox server all day long. Thank you AT&T unlimited data plan...

I'm doing this with Pandora in my blackberry. Can't get any better than that.....Is there a sqb controller for the BB?????

nspindel

Ricardo wrote: »

...why would I want to add this when I already have two SQB touch to play in the house....

To play outside of the house.

AsSiMiLaTeD

I ended up grabbing iPeng because it works well in both portrait and landscape mode and has everything I need, glad you mentioned it.

I'm also going to buy SqueezePad and give it a try later.

Ricardo

nspindel wrote: »

To play outside of the house.

I can see that with an iPhone, but at least in my case I don't see that happening with the iTouch.

BTW found this for the blackberry. It works, though the screen is way too small and the zoom is a bit cumbersome.

http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Blackberry

AsSiMiLaTeD

I was going to create a separate thread, but figured I'd start by posting in this thread first.

I got a Squeezebox Classic today and I'm thrilled with the sound quality even using the DAC in the unit and the analog outputs, sounds very good. I am having a minor issue though.

I believe this issue is not with the Squeezebox itself, but rather the iPengHD app I'm using to control it. Sometime when I'm listening to one song and then select another song from my library to begin playing the song doesn't actually start. The app will show that it's playing, but no sound, then after maybe 30 seconds or so of blank air it will just skip to the next song on that album, and then I can hit the back button to play the song I originally chose. Clear as mud? Good.

The odd thing is that this doesn't happen when I play something from either the Squeezebox itself or from the web interfact that the SB server runs.

Any thoughts?

mdaudioguy

nspindel wrote: »

Ah, Face is right, looks like they've gotten rid of the player as a standalone product.

Yeah, really threw a wrench into my plans to have 5 separate zones in my house. I was buying them one at a time whenever I had the extra money. As I was ready to purchase my third, I was surprised to not be able to find them anywhere, except e-bay, where opportunistic sellers wanted about $300 for a receiver alone. So, I think my third zone will be a Touch. I guess I could find some older, used models for the rest of the zones, but only the Duet receivers and the Touch are wireless... Oh well.

Sherardp

(Squeezebox Touch) + (Ipad+Squeezepad App)= WINNER!!!

Love my setup.

DMara

AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »

II believe this issue is not with the Squeezebox itself, but rather the iPengHD app I'm using to control it. Sometime when I'm listening to one song and then select another song from my library to begin playing the song doesn't actually start. The app will show that it's playing, but no sound, then after maybe 30 seconds or so of blank air it will just skip to the next song on that album, and then I can hit the back button to play the song I originally chose. Clear as mud? Good.

In the very far away past something like that happened to me, but I was playing some "hidef" music via Windows Media Player, a below average PCI soundcard & a moderate CPU. Did you notice the quality of those files? Was it different to the rest?

nspindel

mdaudioguy wrote: »

Yeah, really threw a wrench into my plans to have 5 separate zones in my house. I was buying them one at a time whenever I had the extra money. As I was ready to purchase my third, I was surprised to not be able to find them anywhere, except e-bay, where opportunistic sellers wanted about $300 for a receiver alone. So, I think my third zone will be a Touch. I guess I could find some older, used models for the rest of the zones, but only the Duet receivers and the Touch are wireless... Oh well.

Squeezebox Classic, aka Squeezebox 3 is wireless. I have one that I can sell, actually, because I have a Touch on order, and I'll end up with a spare player (have 4 already...). PM me if you're interested.

nspindel

Lasareath wrote: »

What's the deal with this thing?

http://www.logitech.com/en-us/speakers-audio/wireless-music-systems/devices/7934

The infamous Transporter. To buy or not to buy, that is the question. Asked many times, never really answered. It's the same concept as the other dedicated players (eg Touch and Duet - just plugs into preamp, doesn't have any speakers like the Boom or Radio).

It's marketed as the audiophile version of the Squeezebox platform. I've never heard one, so I can't comment on sound quality. It has a few features besides just higher spec electronics that the others don't have:

1. Fully balanced analog outs.
2. You can use it as a dac for another digital device.
3. It can player higher bitrate music. Other than the Touch, the other players will only play up to 1644. The Touch will play 2496 (good enough for my hirez needs). Transporter will play up to 192khz natively, with no downsampling.
4. It has a balanced AES/BSU digital output.

From the reviews I've read the sound quality is definitely great, but there are mods to be done to the Touch, SB3, and Duet that can make them sound pretty amazing, too.

nspindel

AsSiMiLaTeD wrote: »

I was going to create a separate thread, but figured I'd start by posting in this thread first.

I got a Squeezebox Classic today and I'm thrilled with the sound quality even using the DAC in the unit and the analog outputs, sounds very good. I am having a minor issue though.

I believe this issue is not with the Squeezebox itself, but rather the iPengHD app I'm using to control it. Sometime when I'm listening to one song and then select another song from my library to begin playing the song doesn't actually start. The app will show that it's playing, but no sound, then after maybe 30 seconds or so of blank air it will just skip to the next song on that album, and then I can hit the back button to play the song I originally chose. Clear as mud? Good.

The odd thing is that this doesn't happen when I play something from either the Squeezebox itself or from the web interfact that the SB server runs.

Any thoughts?

I think I remember something like this happening as well, a long time ago. Not quite sure what I did to fix it but haven't seen that happen in a very long time. What version of squeezecenter are you running?

DMara

nspindel wrote: »

3. It can player higher bitrate music. Other than the Touch, the other players will only play up to 1644. The Touch will play 2496 (good enough for my hirez needs). Transporter will play up to 192khz natively, with no downsampling.

I've been playing 2496 with the Duet receiver connected to my Denon AVR4810ci via analog IC connections without any issue. When I go to "more info" on the Duet controller to view the file properties, it does show 2496. Was it downsampling when output though?