hifi vs. pro audio.

TroyD

jinjuku wrote: »

Fair enough...

If you are a new comer here and you just want a setup that is in all reasonableness: good bang for the buck, leaves you knowing you made wise investements of both time and $$, something that when you get home for the day you can smile at and enjoy. Well I personally hope that I can provide perspective on that.

Now if you are that intermediate user looking to chase the rabbit further down the hole, well this is where I most likely have a divergent path than most here. I will absolutely attribute that to doing pro-audio. Whether that be 20K watt of amplification at medium sized venue or putting in Crown D and PS series amplification in audio and video edit suites. Crown to this day I believe would still be making a line up for studio/home use if it weren't for the Harmon Group taking them over. There's a reason a DC 300A Series II/PS 400 still sells for $350 that is 20 years old. I participate here because I have several setups using Polk out there and view them as I do Crown or even Emotiva. They offer something above the average big box store that you can count as a reliable investment over the years.

New thread to try not to derail DK's thread.....

In every case, I'll bet that I can find an alternative you pro audio that will be at least as equally economical and better sounding. That dog really doesn't hunt.

If you think that sound systems at live venues and audio/video edit suites are comparable to decent hifi....well, let's just say I vehemently disagree.

Again, find me a legitimate studio that produces DECENT sounding recordings that uses your 'gear'. I'm thinking like Bob Ludwig, Abbey Roads, Mobile Fidelity...something like that. General Tire doesn't count.

BDT

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tonyb

I'll agree with ya Troy. Never heard a live venue that I thought sounded as good as home hi-fi. Sure, you have mega watts pushing sound through all the open air with big bass speakers for the thump, but I don't equate that to critical listening. Each one serves a purpose, and live venue with pro gear doesn't serve hi fi very well. I guess what I'm trying to say is...If you think pro-gear is as good as real hifi, then you haven't heard real hifi yet.

steveinaz

It's a quantity vs quality argument.

reeltrouble1

The boy knows very little of audio his recommendations are purely his own agenda. He needs experience and training, he is quite a newbie in audio with no experience of note. Truly a person who is just pushing an agenda.

Unfortunately as anyone can write on this board he want to be accepted so bacly he will say anything to upset the apple cart, he has a little place whee he puts images of posts he makes. He is quite well, he is on the low end of the gene pool as far as the way his face is formed and needs a dentist. Not hard to surmise he was picked on causng his personality disorders which manifest in his writing.

This is only important as it is what he is about. He seeks acceptance and standing so he feels the way to gain it is to act as any lost anti=hero. He simply seeks to be the ONE.

I wonder how we ever even hooked to wires up before he graced us with his knowledge....all the regular members here have substanial experience with home and pro gear.....hifi trumps pro audio everytime.

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treitz3

...and I'll pick quality any day of the week and twice on Tuesday.

Oh, and I hate trolls. There is no use for them.

tonyb

treitz3 wrote: »

...and I'll pick quality any day of the week and twice on Tuesday.

Oh, and I hate trolls. There is no use for them.

Don't they keep the area under the bridge nice and clean ?

reeltrouble1

So go ahead you have been given a challenge why dont you take it...name the studio...then lets hear your budget pro system, put it down.

Perhaps you might consider actually buying some Polk speakers as well.

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W WALDECKER

High wattage pro audio amps like Crown for example can be excellent for powering subwoofers but i dont think any other pro audio components can bridge the gap up to Hi Fi without severely degrading the sound quality.

jinjuku

I think you would be surprised hearing my Crown XLS 402d vs my Parasound HCA 1000a.

All it takes is a willingness to listen and not have to know which wizard is behind the curtain.

treitz3

tonyb wrote: »

Don't they keep the area under the bridge nice and clean ?

They do in my neck of the woods. No trolls or pro gear here.

The water flows brisk and steady.

jinjuku

reeltrouble1 wrote: »

So go ahead you have been given a challenge why dont you take it...name the studio...then lets hear your budget pro system, put it down.

Perhaps you might consider actually buying some Polk speakers as well.

RT1

I have indirectly purchased five Polk setups. People that want good quality at a price point that they can afford.

Sorry, I am ruined on DIY. If I found some 9's at a price I couldn't pass up and x-over mod then maybe for curiosities sake. But I doubt Polk produces anything that is going to run with my Mission Statements.

I'm not knocking anyone elses approach. I picked up the 402d for $199 shipped and it does what it is supposed to do. The Parsound definitely isn't giving it a spanking.

W WALDECKER

jinjuku wrote: »

I think you would be surprised hearing my Crown XLS 402d vs my Parasound HCA 1000a.

All it takes is a willingness to listen and not have to know which wizard is behind the curtain.

given my taste in Amplification i dont think i would care too much for either amp except if it were powering a subwoofer. tubes are much more linear devices compared to transistors and they get me closer to the music which is my main reason for persuing this hobby in the 1st place....WCW III

moggi1964

Keiko wrote: »

He was awesome in Deliverance.

Austin Powers too.



:rolleyes:

Classic :biggrin:

george daniel

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee did I hear a SSow squeal.

TroyD

jinjuku wrote: »

I think you would be surprised hearing my Crown XLS 402d vs my Parasound HCA 1000a.

All it takes is a willingness to listen and not have to know which wizard is behind the curtain.

First, I'm ambivalent as to why this would blow my skirt up either way. I've owned and still own Parasound amps....solid but unspectacular. So your saying your pro amp competes favorable with an entry level amp.....not so much a 'ringing' endorsement.

You've still yet to provide a compelling argument for pro gear.....still waiting for your treatise on recording studios though.

So far you got my Crown can be compared to a entry level Parasound.

Ok, I'm listening.....

BDT

reeltrouble1

jinjuku wrote: »

I think you would be surprised hearing my Crown XLS 402d vs my Parasound HCA 1000a.

All it takes is a willingness to listen and not have to know which wizard is behind the curtain.

See I have had both those amps......the crown is only good for pro, its pretty noisy and the parasound is better and that is one of parasounds lower end amplifiers......I used a crown with a passive sub for a while...it was ok for that but its HT not suitable for an involving stereo system..

your already on record as not owning polk speakers so no back peddling.

if you want to DIY knock yourself out...we a have a forum for that...your post said stereo was easy you just plop the speakers the down...your words...also demonstrated you lack of credible audio experience.

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B&W802d

Ahhhhhh, Abbey Road Studios. I was fortunate enough to get a quick tour there while away on business This is why my system is now all B&W and Classe. The synergy that B&W and Classe have is a no brainer. Just sweet sounding music that you can listen to for hours and hours. Once you make the jump to the 800 series there is no going back. It's an investment that pays off for me everytime I sit down for a listening session.

FTGV

W WALDECKER wrote: »

High wattage pro audio amps like Crown for example can be excellent for powering subwoofers but i dont think any other pro audio components can bridge the gap up to Hi Fi without severely degrading the sound quality.

There are exceptions(see link)http://bryston.com/4bsstpro_m.html but in domestic hifi,for the most part pro amps are best suited to driving subwoofers and many IMO can and do,do a very credible job of it.There are also a few specialized pro eq's and crossover pieces that have found favour in home systems because of their unique feature set and versatility.

TroyD

I have pics of the setup at Abbey Road....I monkey with my privates to that about once a week.

Don't see any Crown gear in there.....Hmmmmmm. Odd.

BDT

Ricardo

Those that don't know, don't know that they don't know. And they think they know.

You know?

B&W802d

I agree that pro gear does not have a place in serious 2 channel systems. Pro gear is all about volume, not sound quality. When I think of most pro gear in a 2 channel system I think of a high school or college kid putting together a great party thrower. Hmmm, come to think of it those systems did provide the gateway to many a night of "pure audio nirvana" if you want to call it that. I think I may have hit the loop button though as all I can remember now is alot of oooohhhhs,aaaahhhhs,and scratches down my back. Talk about sitting down for some audio pleasure,lol.

Face

I don't see any Crown here.

reeltrouble1

the crown is actually a recent development before that it was behringer...flavor of the week. Again its agenda and that is it...nobody buying polk speakers should even consider this a credible advice....I would get a baseline receiver before noisy pro gear...next week maybe pyle pro will lead the pack.

one sad thing with the dumming down of sound and speakers and formats junk gear can be had quietly play junk sound. One would think it would be intuitive pro gear is designed for a different setting than the home no need to worry so much about achieving any kind of refined musicality.

Polk built better speakers than those mission statements in the 70's. you know Polk the Speaker Specialist company...you know Matt Polk and George....real speaker genius.

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shack

B&W802d wrote:

The synergy that B&W and Classe have is a no brainer.

The fact that B&W owns Classe may have something to do with why they are paired at the Abbey Road Studio.

I'm pretty sure the B&W and Classe gear in the picture are all considered to be consumer products (for "audiophiles"...but still consumer)...not pro gear.

SolidSqual

TroyD wrote: »

New thread to try not to derail DK's thread.....
If you think that sound systems at live venues and audio/video edit suites are comparable to decent hifi....well, let's just say I vehemently disagree.
BDT

I would never use pro amplification, but I do use a Prism Orpheus for my DAC and phono stage. Frankly, the pro world is leaps and bounds ahead of the regular consumer manufacturers with computer audio (and I've owned both the Wavelength Consecant and Ayre USB Dac, which are supposed to be tops in the industry.) Firewire is the best and the pros have been perfecting it for years. Hell, the Orpheus phono section is state of the art and sounds amazing to me. I guess my major point is that no gear should be written off just because it is made for the pros or just consumers. Why limit yourself? If it offers synergy in your system, then it's worth a look.

treitz3

Hmmm, music server and pro gear. Yeah, that's a good match but not for accurate reproduction of sound. Wall of sound, maybe...

TroyD

I will honestly say that I have zero knowledge about pro DACs so you very well could be right.

BDT

FTGV

Ricardo wrote: »

Those that don't know, don't know that they don't know. And they think they know.

You know?

Profound.

B&W802d

shack wrote: »

The fact that B&W owns Classe may have something to do with why they are paired at the Abbey Road Studio.

I'm pretty sure the B&W and Classe gear in the picture are all considered to be consumer products (for "audiophiles"...but still consumer)...not pro gear.

Yep, the B&W group does own those two as well as the entry level Rotel gear. I agree that it's not pro gear in any way. It just that B&W and Classe are good enough to use anywhere you want superior sound. There is better gear of course, I have been down that road and it's like swimming in water infested with leaches. I was tired of being sucked dry so I reversed my direction and ended up at B&W/Classe St. Now I live right around the corner on Content Ave. (lol).

Face

I agree that pro gear can't be written off as a whole. Just as there's low, mid, and high end consumer gear, there is also low, mid, and high end pro gear. For example, Manley labs. I also demoed a "pro" DAC recently (Metric Halo) and was impressed.