Alright! Elemental Designs -

VR3
VR3 Posts: 28,641
edited February 2011 in Subwoofer Hookup & Bass Management
Just ordered an Elemental Designs A3-250

Stereo inputs, 35hz crossover, flat to 20hz, free freight.

Shall see what this monster can do
- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited December 2010
    I have one of their subs, plenty bang for the buck for a HT sub.
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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  • mdaudioguy
    mdaudioguy Posts: 5,165
    edited December 2010
    Cool. For HT or to supplement 2-channel?
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,641
    edited December 2010
    2 channel --

    Cross it over at 35-40hz, low volume --- just need some extra low end fill

    The Super Towers can do the 40hz and up bass that needs the refinement.
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • mdaudioguy
    mdaudioguy Posts: 5,165
    edited December 2010
    Sounds like it should fit the bill. What's their expected delivery time?
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  • leroyjr1
    leroyjr1 Posts: 8,785
    edited December 2010
    Ported for music? Is there much music down in the 20hz range.


    Congrats!!!
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  • mdaudioguy
    mdaudioguy Posts: 5,165
    edited December 2010
    leroyjr1 wrote: »
    Ported for music? Is there much music down in the 20hz range.

    Probably not much, but I guess the answer is; depends what you're listening to.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,641
    edited December 2010
    bass below 40hz really sets the -depth- to music...

    You would be surprised how much information is down there from natural roll off of instruments and so forth that gives appropriate weight and depth that you other wise would not have.

    Not to mention it will help reinforce when my Super Towers start to roll off.


    I was going to get a sealed design but was not crazy about the cheesey white driver
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • thsmith
    thsmith Posts: 6,082
    edited December 2010
    Congrats ! Looks like a lot of sub for the money and not a light weight. I highly recommend Room EQ WIzard (REW) to find best placement and visibility to managing peaks.
    Speakers: SDA-1C (most all the goodies)
    Preamp: Joule Electra LA-150 MKII SE
    Amp: Wright WPA 50-50 EAT KT88s
    Analog: Marantz TT-15S1 MBS Glider SL| Wright WPP100C Amperex BB 6er5 and 7316 & WPM-100 SUT
    Digital: Mac mini 2.3GHz dual-core i5 8g RAM 1.5 TB HDD Music Server Amarra (memory play) - USB - W4S DAC 2
    Cables: Mits S3 IC and Spk cables| PS Audio PCs
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,641
    edited December 2010
    Oh yeah --

    My Tyler Acoustic subs were ported and I can tell there was no sign of any boom or coloration. Quite the opposite - those subs had far more texture, tone and accuracy than any other sub I have owned to date.
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • Sherardp
    Sherardp Posts: 8,038
    edited December 2010
    Are you going to run this with the sub your building? Should be very intense with both subs running. Regardless congrats on the purchase. Looking forward to your thoughts on this beast also.
    Shoot the jumper.....................BALLIN.............!!!!!

    Home Theater Pics in the Showcase :cool:

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showcase/view.php?userid=73580
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,641
    edited December 2010
    The sub will be running but it will be crossed over with the Mains - so it really wont be doing much if anything, I guess I could up the crossover during movies to get a bit more of that 80hz slam but yeah
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
    edited December 2010
    I think having a system that can produce bass as low as 14Hz is essential for even two channel. Trey is exactly right that you would be losing some musical depth without a system that can produce those lower frequencies.
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  • rubin
    rubin Posts: 565
    edited December 2010
    For me,music without strong bass is boring. That's why I use multiple subs in my 2 ch.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,641
    edited December 2010
    I use to be like that --

    The higher resolution your mids and highs are and the better they image the less you need bass to draw you in
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • megasat16
    megasat16 Posts: 3,521
    edited December 2010
    You should have ordered the A7s-450 sealed subs with their 1300W plate amps and eq.2.

    It works a wonder for both music and HT if you don't mind the size.
    Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin:
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,641
    edited December 2010
    Eh I dont need something big - I was going to order the lil 350 dollar one - but again I dont like the white driver.

    I need low level, low extention, stereo inputs.

    HT belongs to my custom beast! :)
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,641
    edited December 2010
    You know what is funny -

    ED reminds me of SVS when they first came out.

    Believe it or not there use to be a time when you could get a SVS Ultra for a thousand bucks and I nice entry level subwoofer for like 500 to your door!

    Insanity!

    I was checking their prices on their site and almost picked up their lowest model to give a shot before I checked ED's site --

    Their prices have gone up quite a bit and their product is no longer made in the USA.

    I guess its growth and all that stuff, but I will gladly support the little guys in Iowa who hand make the product than the big boys.

    I love Internet Direct companies like Tyler Acoustics, Odyssey, ED - you can call up and literally talk to the guy who built, assembled, designed, and sold you your product in one step.

    Im not saying SVS is a bad deal - I am just saying as each year passes they become closer and closer to what you can pay for the big big names like Velodyne and the like.

    :)
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • leroyjr1
    leroyjr1 Posts: 8,785
    edited December 2010
    You you go ID you never back.:smile:
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  • rubin
    rubin Posts: 565
    edited December 2010
    leroyjr1 wrote: »
    You you go ID you never back.:smile:

    What does this mean:confused:
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  • leroyjr1
    leroyjr1 Posts: 8,785
    edited December 2010
    rubin wrote: »
    What does this mean:confused:


    Wasn't able to edit it sorry.


    " once you go Internet Direct you never go back"

    Meaning you get more for your money buying from a ID company.
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  • rubin
    rubin Posts: 565
    edited December 2010
    leroyjr1 wrote: »
    Wasn't able to edit it sorry.


    " once you go Internet Direct you never go back"

    Meaning you get more for your money buying from a ID company.

    Yes, I agree,and the edit period is too short!
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  • blueboxer
    blueboxer Posts: 621
    edited December 2010
    I ran plenty of JL audio systems in my vehicles until I was referred to Elemental Design. ED is 85-90% of the performance and sound for much less money. Always enjoyed their simple, but elegant design and great service.
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  • rubin
    rubin Posts: 565
    edited December 2010
    blueboxer wrote: »
    I ran plenty of JL audio systems in my vehicles until I was referred to Elemental Design. ED is 85-90% of the performance and sound for much less money. Always enjoyed their simple, but elegant design and great service.

    JL stuff is too $$$ for me. $11.000 or more for the Gotham I think.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited December 2010
    I recently heard a pair of JL Fathom's at a friend's place, they sounded very nice, but he's still considering upgrading to a pair of Gothams. :eek:
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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  • rubin
    rubin Posts: 565
    edited December 2010
    Face wrote: »
    I recently heard a pair of JL Fathom's at a friend's place, they sounded very nice, but he's still considering upgrading to a pair of Gothams. :eek:
    That would be dynamite and something I'd like to have, but I'm not rich enough.
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  • Sherardp
    Sherardp Posts: 8,038
    edited December 2010
    I'd love for SVS to go all out and make a PB13 Ultra/2, I think they could do it and make something awesome.
    Shoot the jumper.....................BALLIN.............!!!!!

    Home Theater Pics in the Showcase :cool:

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showcase/view.php?userid=73580
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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited December 2010
    Sherardp wrote: »
    I'd love for SVS to go all out and make a PB13 Ultra/2, I think they could do it and make something awesome.

    That would be Awesome, or go for Dual PB Ultra-13s:biggrin:
    Linn AV5140 fronts
    Linn AV5120 Center
    Linn AV5140 Rears
    M&K MX-70 Sub for Music
    Odyssey Mono-Blocs
    SVS Ultra-13 Gloss Black:D
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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited December 2010
    Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »
    You know what is funny -

    ED reminds me of SVS when they first came out.

    Believe it or not there use to be a time when you could get a SVS Ultra for a thousand bucks and I nice entry level subwoofer for like 500 to your door!

    Insanity!

    I was checking their prices on their site and almost picked up their lowest model to give a shot before I checked ED's site --

    Their prices have gone up quite a bit and their product is no longer made in the USA.

    I guess its growth and all that stuff, but I will gladly support the little guys in Iowa who hand make the product than the big boys.

    I love Internet Direct companies like Tyler Acoustics, Odyssey, ED - you can call up and literally talk to the guy who built, assembled, designed, and sold you your product in one step.

    Im not saying SVS is a bad deal - I am just saying as each year passes they become closer and closer to what you can pay for the big big names like Velodyne and the like.

    :)

    Taken from the SVS PB-13 Ultra website:

    Hardly inexpensive, but worth every penny, and then some. Compare our Ultra products to the most insanely priced subwoofers from any brand.

    Hard to imagine but still under $2000, virtually nothing comes close. As with all our products, they usually trounce most any competitor costing 2-3 times as much.

    Although the price has gone up, its a bargain compared to Velodyne DD series
    and the JL Fathom F113. Even now with it's higher prices, you can buy two
    Ultra-13s for the price of one F113!
    Linn AV5140 fronts
    Linn AV5120 Center
    Linn AV5140 Rears
    M&K MX-70 Sub for Music
    Odyssey Mono-Blocs
    SVS Ultra-13 Gloss Black:D
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  • leroyjr1
    leroyjr1 Posts: 8,785
    edited December 2010
    Sherardp wrote: »
    I'd love for SVS to go all out and make a PB13 Ultra/2, I think they could do it and make something awesome.

    I think 2 ultra's would sound better. One next to each front speaker.
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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited December 2010
    leroyjr1 wrote: »
    I think 2 ultra's would sound better. One next to each front speaker.

    Yep, that would be a great setup!
    Linn AV5140 fronts
    Linn AV5120 Center
    Linn AV5140 Rears
    M&K MX-70 Sub for Music
    Odyssey Mono-Blocs
    SVS Ultra-13 Gloss Black:D
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