in-wall speaker cable?

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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited December 2010
    Bring it is all I can say. :smile:

    Speakers
    Carver Amazing Fronts
    CS400i Center
    RT800i's Rears
    Sub Paradigm Servo 15

    Electronics
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 pre-amp
    Parasound Halo A23
    Pioneer 84TXSi AVR
    Pioneer 79Avi DVD
    Sony CX400 CD changer
    Panasonic 42-PX60U Plasma
    WMC Win7 32bit HD DVR


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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,139
    edited December 2010
    mantis wrote: »
    My cravings have changed once I learned the truth that I'm deaf.

    Well, there you have it.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

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  • Beta
    Beta Posts: 267
    edited December 2010
    I just went through this process as I just had Polk LCi fronts, rears and a center installed in my walls. I had no idea MIT sold in-wall wire. Had I known, I would have had the MIT 12/2 AWG wire installed simply because I am a huge fan of MIT.

    At any rate, I consulted with a few folks whose opinions and knowledge I value very much. My application for the wire is strictly for HT.

    I kept getting directed back to Monoprice. Ultimately, I had Monoprice 12/2 AWG in-wall wire installed. To my ears the Monoprice works excellent for HT.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,139
    edited December 2010
    mantis wrote: »
    Really? Lets see , Audioquest , sold by the foot , Cardos , sold by the foot , Kimber Kable sold by the foot , Liberty sold by the foot , Transparent sold by the foot , Belden sold by the foot ,Ixos sold by the foot any custom made wire by anyone sold by the foot. All wire is sold by the foot. The length determines the price hence sold by the foot. How do I know this? Gee lets see my company carries more wire then most people have seen in a lifetime.

    And yes I have heard in wall MIT wire many times. I'm not impressed or the least bit fooled by companies like them. You or anyone else can buy what ever you like. Good luck with all that.
    You should not speak of which you lack knowledge of.

    I don't see it that way. What I see is that for $379.99 you get 250 feet of cable. I do not see it priced as $1.52 per foot.

    http://www.crutchfield.com/p_703144250/AudioQuest-FLX-14-4-4-Conductor-14-Gauge-In-Wall-Speaker-Cable-250-feet.html?tp=1432

    When you buy an amp do you price it per watt? Let's see, amp A costs $5000.00 and puts out 100 watts, so that would be $50.00 per watt. Amp B costs $3500.00 and puts out 250 watts, so that would be $14.00 per watt. Yeah, that would be a really stupid way to buy an amp.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • megasat16
    megasat16 Posts: 3,521
    edited December 2010
    Even though I don't fond of the idea but it's no truer than how people measure the performance of them.

    Amps performance is measured with cost per Watt.
    Wire is measured with cost per Length.

    There are millions of people who buy amps based on the Cost per Watt. You probably don't notice but it happened here on CP all days everyday since the beginning.

    They don't just call it Cost per Watt but they says 200W this and 150W that and what sounds better, blah...blah....blah....so it's essentially that way.
    Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin:
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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,796
    edited December 2010
    F1nut wrote: »
    I don't see it that way. What I see is that for $379.99 you get 250 feet of cable. I do not see it priced as $1.52 per foot.

    http://www.crutchfield.com/p_703144250/AudioQuest-FLX-14-4-4-Conductor-14-Gauge-In-Wall-Speaker-Cable-250-feet.html?tp=1432

    AudioAdvisor sells some Audioquest speaker wire by the foot, so do many others. All the local dealers here also sold speaker wire by the foot, before they went under.

    http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=AQT4B
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,139
    edited December 2010
    It seems that I haven't made my point clear enough, so I'll try again. If one buys cable with the price per foot in mind, they are buying it for the wrong reason.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,796
    edited December 2010
    Right, Mantis already covered that:
    Rule of thumb with wire is follow the American wire standard with gauge and length. Get good quality wire with proper termination. Once you achieve the ability to send the signal from A to B correctly , nothing can improve it.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,139
    edited December 2010
    Two wrongs do not make a right.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • megasat16
    megasat16 Posts: 3,521
    edited December 2010
    F1nut wrote: »
    It seems that I haven't made my point clear enough, so I'll try again. If one buys cable with the price per foot in mind, they are buying it for the wrong reason.

    Under any case, the affordability is always a concern to 99.999999999% of us.

    If anyone affords anything, we will have no reasons to argue about anything in any forum / message boards / discussion groups.

    Money unfortunately is a limited resource unless you have a printer to make your own. Of coz, Uncle Sam will pursue hot on your tail in this case.
    Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin:
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,236
    edited December 2010
    F1nut wrote: »
    Well, there you have it.

    Now you want to put words in my mouth?
    Dan
    My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,236
    edited December 2010
    F1nut wrote: »
    I don't see it that way. What I see is that for $379.99 you get 250 feet of cable. I do not see it priced as $1.52 per foot.

    http://www.crutchfield.com/p_703144250/AudioQuest-FLX-14-4-4-Conductor-14-Gauge-In-Wall-Speaker-Cable-250-feet.html?tp=1432

    When you buy an amp do you price it per watt? Let's see, amp A costs $5000.00 and puts out 100 watts, so that would be $50.00 per watt. Amp B costs $3500.00 and puts out 250 watts, so that would be $14.00 per watt. Yeah, that would be a really stupid way to buy an amp.

    Dude we are not talking about amps , wire is sold by the foot , it always has been always will be. I don't see your point man.
    Dan
    My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,236
    edited December 2010
    F1nut wrote: »
    It seems that I haven't made my point clear enough, so I'll try again. If one buys cable with the price per foot in mind, they are buying it for the wrong reason.

    My man when you are running wire , you have to buy it by the foot. Like rears which is what started this entire conversation.
    When you buy 2 channel wire for a 2 channel system , you buy it by the foot. If you need a 10 foot pair , you buy it by the foot. It's just how THEY sell it. You can pick your terminations and level of wire from any company.

    I think you are taking this is a weird direction without any point behind it.
    Dan
    My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,236
    edited December 2010
    F1nut wrote: »
    Two wrongs do not make a right.

    So everyone on this forum can understand you , what are the 2 wrongs that don't make it right?
    Dan
    My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,236
    edited December 2010
    megasat16 wrote: »
    Under any case, the affordability is always a concern to 99.999999999% of us.

    If anyone affords anything, we will have no reasons to argue about anything in any forum / message boards / discussion groups.

    Money unfortunately is a limited resource unless you have a printer to make your own. Of coz, Uncle Sam will pursue hot on your tail in this case.

    You bring up a very good point. Money. Value is in the one spending it. If F1nut feels owning MIT in wall wire is worth it , it's not up to us to decide that for him. If madmax wants to buy the MIt wire and use it for rear channels , thats up to him. He asked a question and got some opinions. F1nut has taken this way out in left field.

    Bottom line is this , American wire standard. Get the job done , get it done correctly , nothing you do after this will not improve the signal getting to the speakers. As long as the wire is ran correctly , building codes are followed , you stay away from power wires and cross them when you have to be in the same area as them , if running parallel is necessary then the 6 inch rule applies. Honestly I think people get way out of hand when ever wire comes up.
    Dan
    My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
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  • DMara
    DMara Posts: 1,434
    edited December 2010
    zingo wrote: »
    I have the monoprice 12g CL2 stuff and it has worked great in a number of applications; plus its crazy cheap.


    I second this. I used Monoprice 12AWG CL2 for my in-wall HT run (2 lsi15's, 2 lsiFX's, 1 lsiC) and did not have any issue with sound quality.
    Gears shared to both living room & bedroom:
    Integra DHC-80.3 / Oppo BDP-105 / DirecTV HR24 DVR /APC S15blk PC-UPS
    Living room:
    LSiM707's / LSiM706c / LSiM702 F/X's / dual JL Audio Fathom F113's / Parasound Halo A51 / Panasonic 65" TC-P65VT50
    Bedroom:
    Usher Dancer Mini 2 Diamond DMD's / Logitech SB Touch / W4S STP-SE / W4S DAC-2 / W4S ST-1000 / Samsung 52" LN52B750
    Other rooms:
    Audioengine AP4's / GLOW Audio Sub One / audio-gd NFB-3 DAC / Audioengine N22
    audio-gd NFB-10.2 / Denon AH-D7000
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  • jinjuku
    jinjuku Posts: 1,523
    edited December 2010
    F1nut wrote: »
    Let's see, bad teeth, nose full of boogers......yeah, I think it's a safe bet to say that your lack of personal hygiene means your ears are packed as well. :rolleyes:

    Well on the whole 'packing issue' I will have to defer to you since you are resident expert on fudge packing.
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  • jinjuku
    jinjuku Posts: 1,523
    edited December 2010
    mantis wrote: »
    Now you want to put words in my mouth?

    F1 thinks that it keeps people from noticing the foot he keeps putting into his:wink:
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  • jinjuku
    jinjuku Posts: 1,523
    edited December 2010
    mantis wrote: »
    My man when you are running wire , you have to buy it by the foot. Like rears which is what started this entire conversation.
    When you buy 2 channel wire for a 2 channel system , you buy it by the foot. If you need a 10 foot pair , you buy it by the foot. It's just how THEY sell it. You can pick your terminations and level of wire from any company.

    I think you are taking this is a weird direction without any point behind it.

    Mantis, I don't think he realizes that the numeric markings on the wire are inch indicators.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,139
    edited December 2010
    mantis wrote: »
    I don't see your point man.

    Yes, that is obvious. I'll repost my comment so that you can give it some further thought.
    If one buys cable with the price per foot in mind, they are buying it for the wrong reason.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,098
    edited December 2010
    Why is MIT such a controversial alternative? Chuck didn't ask what they cheapest was.....and, those of us that know him and love him know that Chuck is serious about his hifi.

    If I had the coin, I'd go MIT. I own MIT products (as does Chuck) so I have no reason not to recommend them either.

    BDT
    I plan for the future. - F1Nut
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited December 2010
    If it's for the surrounds only, I'd go with something from Blue Jeans. For the center, I'd recommend something similar to what you're using for mains.
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,139
    edited December 2010
    This pro audio studio is wired with MIT cables.

    skywalker.jpg

    I'll bet they weren't told the cable would run them $****.xx per foot.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited December 2010
    I felt there's many Studio's that are wired with Belden cables also.

    Speakers
    Carver Amazing Fronts
    CS400i Center
    RT800i's Rears
    Sub Paradigm Servo 15

    Electronics
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 pre-amp
    Parasound Halo A23
    Pioneer 84TXSi AVR
    Pioneer 79Avi DVD
    Sony CX400 CD changer
    Panasonic 42-PX60U Plasma
    WMC Win7 32bit HD DVR


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  • DMara
    DMara Posts: 1,434
    edited December 2010
    War happened whenever suggestions on amps & cables were asked for :biggrin:
    Gears shared to both living room & bedroom:
    Integra DHC-80.3 / Oppo BDP-105 / DirecTV HR24 DVR /APC S15blk PC-UPS
    Living room:
    LSiM707's / LSiM706c / LSiM702 F/X's / dual JL Audio Fathom F113's / Parasound Halo A51 / Panasonic 65" TC-P65VT50
    Bedroom:
    Usher Dancer Mini 2 Diamond DMD's / Logitech SB Touch / W4S STP-SE / W4S DAC-2 / W4S ST-1000 / Samsung 52" LN52B750
    Other rooms:
    Audioengine AP4's / GLOW Audio Sub One / audio-gd NFB-3 DAC / Audioengine N22
    audio-gd NFB-10.2 / Denon AH-D7000
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  • kevhed72
    kevhed72 Posts: 5,086
    edited December 2010
    jinjuku wrote: »
    Well on the whole 'packing issue' I will have to defer to you since you are resident expert on fudge packing.
    Folks, I think the forum has hit an all-time low...and the day after X-Mas! :eek:
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,236
    edited December 2010
    F1nut wrote: »
    This pro audio studio is wired with MIT cables.

    skywalker.jpg

    I'll bet they weren't told the cable would run them $****.xx per foot.

    Dude I don't get it , why are you so Anti by the foot pricing with wire? The Highest end wire in the world is sold by the foot bro. it doesn't make it Home depot wire. I love wire as much as the next guy but this by the foot thing of yours is silly. It's actually funny.

    Really dude , you found a home with MIT. Its cool man they make nice looking wire. But I bet if you give them a call and ask if they sell their wire priced by the foot , you will be shocked in their answer. Just keep a bottle near you so you can wallow in your pain. And if that doesn't work I know a good shrink.:cool:
    Dan
    My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited December 2010
    TroyD wrote: »
    those of us that know him and love him know that Chuck is serious about his hifi.

    BDT

    I want whatever he was smoking!
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,064
    edited December 2010
    mantis wrote: »
    Once you achieve the ability to send the signal from A to B correctly , nothing can improve it.

    I find this statement somewhat disturbing comming from you Dan. You have some darn good experience with a variety of gear and to not hear you treat cables with the same zest you do with gear, well, disheartening is all.
    Home depot 12 ga. will get a signal from point A to point B very well but to think that cable can't be improved on, is as far from the truth as one can imagine.

    Jess's point was you buy cable for the SQ it offers, not the price per foot ratio.

    I like to view cables as a piece of gear itself. Just as important to a system as a whole.
    HT SYSTEM-
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1420
    lsi 9's
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited December 2010
    tonyb wrote: »
    I like to view cables as a piece of gear itself. Just as important to a system as a whole.


    Yes I understand, but if cables are ran behind the walls where you can't see them would cable A, B, or C be better?

    Speakers
    Carver Amazing Fronts
    CS400i Center
    RT800i's Rears
    Sub Paradigm Servo 15

    Electronics
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 pre-amp
    Parasound Halo A23
    Pioneer 84TXSi AVR
    Pioneer 79Avi DVD
    Sony CX400 CD changer
    Panasonic 42-PX60U Plasma
    WMC Win7 32bit HD DVR


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