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sir_lagzalot

Face wrote: »

That's poor form.

I'm sorry but I agree, no matter what the sellers situation was that's the price he agreed upon, of course if you come in and offer more money he's going to take it.

mole'

grimmace19 wrote: »

^ Tomorrow once larry comes by I will get a look at the guts. Through the hole where the tweeter was all I can see is a bunch of cotton. It will be interesting opening them up to see what's really going on in there... I'm already formulating some interesting grill cloth color ideas to make these something unique that I can keep around for quite some time.

thats a cool idea man.

HB27

sir_lagzalot wrote: »

I'm sorry but I agree, no matter what the sellers situation was that's the price he agreed upon, of course if you come in and offer more money he's going to take it.

That happened to me yesterday. I'm glad it was a local CL sale and only a couple of miles from me.
WE had agreed on a fair price for a pair of speakers and I hopped in the truck to pick them up.
When I got there I was informed she had two more offers for $25 dollars more than was agreed to. I told her I didn't want them trying to be polite.
She then agreed to sell them to me at the original price and I politely but bluntly informed her I don't do business like that and "good luck" with the sale.
The speakers weren't as advertised to start with and they couldn't be played before the purchase. Again my thinking is...IF they're not as described cosmetically then how do I know they actually work properly as she said they did?
I felt like I was dealing with a less than honorable person and It's just Bad Karma for me.
I guess I'm a bit old fashioned to adhering to my word.
I understand about rationalizing with helping out the seller. Just not my style.

Toolfan66

I have met Nick. spent a few hours listening to my rig ,and went and had lunch. I know he didn't mean any harm. He did contact me about them cause they were just up the street from me. Offering more money happens all the time on eBay and audiogon. Hell they have a button for you to do so. Granted you don't see what the other offers are.

If Nick was taking them knowingly from someone on the fourm then yes i would say it was in bad taste. But the seller is the one that is more in the wrong here.

There was a time here on the fourm I had interest in something and was asking a few questions about the product. Within the hour he sold it to someone else. I found that to be in poor forum. And all I really got out of it was it's his item he can sell to who ever he wants too.. Not once did anybody here tell him that was in poor form.

I think anybody stepping over someone one the fourm or even the seller not caring about someone who showed he was intrested first is in bad form. Of course there might be a case of someone on your ignore list so that wouldn't count.

Craigslist, Audiogon, eBay, you want it go get it if you can.

grimmace19

I'm sorry but I just cant imagine a whole lot of people on this board not doing the same thing as the seller when offered twice the asking price.

No, this is not a bash on the members here either. This is a fantastic community and almost everyone here is a genuinely good person (with the exception of me I guess). Think what you want about the deal and my poor form but in the end I prevented a nice guy who lost his job from being taken advantage of on these speakers. With all the hardship on this board alone that we read about and the nice things members do for each other to compensate I would think many of you could rationalize why the guy sold them to me instead.

Call me a jerk and say I have bad form... it doesn't bother me. Like I stated at the beginning if I knew I was taking these from a member here I wouldn't have ever gone through with it and if it turned out I had done that I promise I would have delivered the speakers to that member and eaten the extra 50 dollars for being a jerk.

George Grand

I can't help but think that every one of the people I enjoy interfacing with on this Polk Forum, would have stuck to the original deal, and sold them to the original buyer for $50.

Bozo listed.

Toolfan66

George,

the guy that sold them to Nick is not a member here nor did Nick step on anybodys toes on the fourm..

Ricardo

TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »

the guy that sold them to Nick is not a member here nor did Nick step on anybodys toes on the fourm..

I'm going to steal something from all my neighbors. No one is a member here so it doesn't matter.

grimmace19

I love all the backing for the other buyer in this instance. Why not support the guy who tried to take advantage of the seller and his situation right?

Toolfan66

Ricardo wrote: »

I'm going to steal something from all my neighbors. No one is a member here so it doesn't matter.

Where did anybody steal anything??? I would never condone stealing from anyone..

Ricardo

TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »

Where did anybody steal anything??? I would never condone stealing from anyone..

You're not getting the point. And the person that already had an agreement might think differently.

Toolfan66

No I get the point, and I knew when I saw this thread it would be good and bad. And I do see both sides. But the seller should have kept his word with said buyer. Nick took a shot at getting them and offered more money to attain them. Poor form?? Maybe so but one can take offers on eBay and audiogon to get the best price for his goods.. Like I said as a seller I would have never pulled the rug out from anyone for more money after a deal was made.. So I do get what your saying.

But I can assure you Nick is a good guy ,and meant no harm and I do know he will chalk this up as a learning experiance.

leroyjr1

Nick

I got a extra sl2000 that you're missing. It's yours if you want it.

Congrats!!!!

mdaudioguy

Hey, great deal on the speaks. I have mixed feelings on the deal, but I don't have all the facts, so... so what. The only thing that bothered me about the story was that the other guy was already on the way. Oh well, not gonna judge. Enjoy!

grimmace19

^ Not sure if the other guy was "on the way" like I typed. I should have said that he had expressed interest in coming to listen to them and possibly take them.

Toolfan66

mdaudioguy wrote: »

Hey, great deal on the speaks. I have mixed feelings on the deal, but I don't have all the facts, so... so what. The only thing that bothered me about the story was that the other guy was already on the way. Oh well, not gonna judge. Enjoy!

Agreed!! If the other guy was on his way that makes it even more bad form on the sellers point. But also who's to say the seller wasn't playing Nick for more money?? That has been known to happen as well, and not really have anybody on the way over to his place??

Just a thought...Only the seller really knows...

skrol

I've been on the other end of a similar deal on CL for a Nikon lens the guy really should have asked more $. It sounded like a done deal. When I called the guy back to arrange a time to pick it up, he told me that he actually sold it to someone else. It does suck but what can you do.

Was it wrong to make a better offer? Legally ok but ethically questionable. Was it wrong for the seller to weasel out of a deal for a better price? Yes, unless the first buyer was wavering.

I just let go of a deal CL for a Denon DRA-435R, DCD-750 and a pair of Monitor 5Jr+ Series 2 all for $50 because I couldn't find a good time to pick them up and another buyer was waiting and I was only going to fix them up and resell them.
Stan

fishbones

Wish they had a 'eating popcorn' smilie on this forum

grimmace19

Eh, from here it can only calm down. Not that it ever got out of control. I apologize to those offended by what I did but I guess that's what makes me different than the others here on the forum. To each their own.

Ricardo

snow

Now this is just my oppinion and doesnt really matter in the grand scheme of things but a CL listing for a set price isnt Ebay or Audiogon where best offer is advertised and acceptable.

Just because it wasnt a forum member that was going to look at them doesnt or shouldnt make any difference in my mind. I would have told the seller that if the guy that called first doesnt want them then let me know. But for the buyer to offer more in the hopes of beating the first guy out of the deal is wrong here there or anywhere.

And its wrong for the seller to back out without letting the first fellow an oppurtunity to buy them at the set price.

And yes Larry I have been beat out by a member here on a deal even though I responded first in the FS ad and it sucked and I know for a fact that I will never buy anything from this fellow now because of it.

Integrity, Honesty, Scruples, fairness, keeping your word is what its all about in my mind and it appears that the price of the sellers integrity is $50.00

For example when I sell something on Ebay and there is bids on it allready and I get a question asking me how much would I sell it for buy it now I tell the person that it is an auction and instantly put him on my blocked bidders list, it wouldndt be fair to the other bidders to do so.

REGARDS SNOW

helipilotdoug

I had a set of headers and high flow cats for sale on another forum. I had a guy who was interested, kept on asking questions, and trying to get me to lower my price. when we were removing them from my GTO prior to any deal being struck, one of the forum members was there lending a hand. He decided he wanted them, and offered me my asking price. We made the deal, and I immediately got on my iphone and listed them as sold on the forum ad. The original guy sent me a very nasty message, and posted some pretty bad crap about how I had sold them out from under him. Well, we did not have a deal, he had asked a lot of questions, tried to get me to lower my price, but had never made a deal. So, as you can see, the shoe can be on the other foot so to speak. If I make a deal, i'll stick to it, even if someone was to offer more. If a person is fiddle farting around, but no deal is made, it's still for sale. If I had called the seller of these speakers, and said I would take them for $50 then I would expect him to sell them to me for our agreed upon price. If he made a deal with someone else, after making a deal with me, and I really wanted the speakers, then I see nothing wrong with offering him more. And since the seller was really needing the extra cash, then to me no harm/no foul, and it was not bad form on the buyers part. If I said, hey I'll come by and look at them, but did not commit to buying them, then there is no deal made just interest shown. Just my $0.02 worth.

leroyjr1

snow wrote: »

Now this is just my oppinion and doesnt really matter in the grand scheme of things but a CL listing for a set price isnt Ebay or Audiogon where best offer is advertised and acceptable.

Just because it wasnt a forum member that was going to look at them doesnt or shouldnt make any difference in my mind. I would have told the seller that if the guy that called first doesnt want them then let me know. But for the buyer to offer more in the hopes of beating the first guy out of the deal is wrong here there or anywhere.

And its wrong for the seller to back out without letting the first fellow an oppurtunity to buy them at the set price.

And yes Larry I have been beat out by a member here on a deal even though I responded first in the FS ad and it sucked and I know for a fact that I will never buy anything from this fellow now because of it.

Integrity, Honesty, Scruples, fairness, keeping your word is what its all about in my mind and it appears that the price of the sellers integrity is $50.00

For example when I sell something on Ebay and there is bids on it allready and I get a question asking me how much would I sell it for buy it now I tell the person that it is an auction and instantly put him on my blocked bidders list, it wouldndt be fair to the other bidders to do so.

REGARDS SNOW

I agree 100%, but if I were unemployed I'd be trying to get as much as possible, not everyone can afford to lose $50. Just my opinion.

snow

leroyjr1 wrote: »

I agree 100%, but if I were unemployed I'd be trying to get as much as possible, not everyone can afford to lose $50. Just my opinion.

Sometimes doing the right thing isnt easy but I would sleep better at nights knowing I did, Karma has always paid off for me both ways



REGARDS SNOW

Toolfan66

Well all & all we should be grateful here cause we can and do have integrity, and honesty on our fourm. I just found out yesterday I dropped the ball on a member here with the speaker rings that I have been selling. How I did that?? Well I had orders coming out my ****. The guy paid me a month ago and just let me know yesterday. I thought I had everyone covered. I told him that I would have them out this week with tweeter brackets free of charge.. I like this place and want it to be a place where we can help out..

But I feel I have been here long enough to know how things work. And giving Nick some criticism is not a bad thing, and wether we agree or not, everybody makes mistakes. But he has the speakers and talking with him he would reverse if he could but it is what it is.

I will say this one more time Nick is a good kid " I call him kid cause he is like 20 years younger then I " and he is here for the right reasons to learn and grow.. Had I not hung out with him I would not be saying the things I am. So I hope you guys will give him a chance. There are others here that have done the not most moral things and they have made it here to still be a part of club Polk. Just look at his past post's and you will see the kid is ligit...

Since it's said and done how bout we help him with pointers to restore these vintage SDA's

If it sounds like I'm taking it personal it's just because I know he is a straight up guy.. Hell I know I could trust him with anything I own..

Nuff said on this...

Larry.

mole'

i have delt with Grim for the Monitor 70s i bought from him. UPS messed them up big time and he has been nothing but helpful with me and even talked about giving some of the $ back if UPS did not help. he is a good guy in my eyes and i would have dont the same thing he did. the seller needed that extra $50.

snow

mole' wrote: »

i have delt with Grim for the Monitor 70s i bought from him. UPS messed them up big time and he has been nothing but helpful with me and even talked about giving some of the $ back if UPS did not help. he is a good guy in my eyes and i would have dont the same thing he did. the seller needed that extra $50.

Good to know. BTW nothing I have for sale will be sold to you.

Im not saying that the OP is a bad guy only that it was the wrong thing to do, im certain that the OP offered the extra $50.00 before he knew the seller was out of work.



REGARDS SNOW

mole'

snow wrote: »

Good to know. BTW nothing I have for sale will be sold to you.

Im not saying that the OP is a bad guy only that it was the wrong thing to do, im certain that the OP offered the extra $50.00 before he knew the seller was out of work.



REGARDS SNOW

sorry you feel that way. have a good blessed day.

its CL. i would not do that on a forums tho.

snow

mole' wrote: »

sorry you feel that way. have a good blessed day.

its CL. i would not do that on a forums tho.

You too Honestly I dont see the difference, If its wrong to do it one place than its wrong to do it elsewhere IMHO Is it because its more personal on a forum and your actions may be judged by others or what?

I think from what Larry said backed up by what you said that the OP is a nice guy that made a mistake and we all make mistakes the thing is hopefully we learn from them.



REGARDS SNOW

fishbones

Ricardo wrote: »

LOVE IT RICARDO!!! LMAO when it saw it!

I was gonna ask you how you did it, but I see the link in the quote.