Do guys do "guy stuff" anymore?
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No it's not. Mainly because, for one, I can't find where I wrote those words in this thread.What I wanted to know is why people are perplexed by my abilities and why they are so amazed by the things I am willing to accomplish that others aren't.
^ your words. Not mine. If you honestly don't think A LOT of people are going to read that as chest thumping, we have nothing further to discuss on the matter. You can lead a horse to water...You can cram your smileys where the sun don't shine for all I care.
I honestly don't care. Next time I see you on the side of the road with a flat tire, I'll keep going.
Apparently you do care, judging by how upset you are. Not everyone is exactly like you and not everyone is going to have the same opinion as you. -
It's not criticism you're offering. You're putting words and intentions in my post that aren't there and now you're being insulting about it. You're trolling.
Ok the be like you thing was childish and i'll apologize, BUT.. the way you came off to ME and obviously a few others was that you are better because you do and others dont. I'll have you know i am very handy around the garage, shop etc. My point wasnt that i was insulted that i couldnt and you could, Just the way you come off from my personal observation.
Look up Pompous. Thats you IMHO
Get over yourself.
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Lots of "guys" raised by single mothers too (myself included), didn't have a father to teach them "guy" stuff when they were younger or make a group project out of it.
The older version of said child may want to take on more DIY-type projects, but without a fundamental knowledge of tool-use or possession of hardly any tools, it is much more difficult... combined with heavy work/family loads, it is much easier to write a check for someone else to do it.
Jason
Hmmmm. . . I beg to differ. My dad was an intellectual and a musical genius. He never pickup a tool or paint brush or screw driver in the 24 years he was on earth with me, he always paid to have it done. I learned myself! I had no fear to tear apart anything electronic or mechanical and try to fix it. When I bought my first home (one of six) I did everything from wallpapering to electrical work to plumbing etc. I did this in all my homes except for the one I currently own. I did routine care an all my cars- never did a brake job though.
Do you remember the Time Life serious of books on "how to?" I had them all and would try to tackle any problem, task or project.
I could go on and on!
Now I can't do **** cause my body has been failing and have become afraid to tackle household problems like replacing the wax gasket at the base of a toilet. Mainly because I can't pick things up any more but in this case was skiddish that I might screw it up and don't have the money to pay a plumber more money to fix my screw up. I think one of the things that made me fealess to tackle DIY projects and maintenance was because I always had the money to pay someone to fix my screw up if necessary.
So having a single mom raise you and teach you IMHO has nothing to do with with you not doing these things. I'm not putting you down, don't get me wrong, but my father didn't teach me anything in regards to guy stuff. -
Anything is possible but in this case I am sticking to believing John when he said he was baffled and perplexed by peoples reactions to doing things by himself. I run accross people on a daily basis that are totally paralyzed by the thought of attempting to do something that they havent been trained to do let alone actually doing it.
I get all kinds of calls to repair or replace virtually anything and everything in both commercial and residential buildings and sometimes the most simple things that you do people look at you in awe like you had just done a magic trick.
For example a fellow had called in a work order on a non working dryer, I went to look at it and it was obvious what was wrong, one of the hinges had came loose on the door and neded to be tightned so it would close properly thereby depressing the switch so it would run, it took all of twenty seconds to diagnose and repair, I finished walked out to where the office was and told the fellow its fixed and he simply couldndt believe that it was done so fast, now to me It should have been obvious what was wrong to a blind man and I was amazed that he called me to fix it.
To those of you bought the gutters and put them up only to have them not work properly bully for you for attempting to do it yourself. At least you had what it takes to try and odds are the next time you did it they would work fine, the only way you learn is by trying.
REGARDS SNOWWell, I just pulled off the impossible by doing a double-blind comparison all by myself, purely by virtue of the fact that I completely and stupidly forgot what I did last. I guess that getting old does have its advantages after all
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In defense of John.... Never thought I would be saying that I think what he was surprised by is not that people dont have the time to do a lot of things for themselves or that there any less manly for choosing to hire someone but that most people are amazed that that he has the ability to do these things because their unwilling to even try and in fact are completely overwhelmed by the thought of doing it themselves.
I see people every day that would perish within weeks or less if there were any sort of real disaster, they simply dont know how to or even have the willingness to try to hunt, fish, grow a garden, cut firewood or do any of the things that would be needed to survive in a world without electricity and fuel let alone actually fix or build something.
REGARDS SNOW
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^ your words. Not mine. If you honestly don't think A LOT of people are going to read that as chest thumping, we have nothing further to discuss on the matter. You can lead a horse to water...
No, I don't think so because A LOT of people aren't you. It's not chest thumping. I merely stated that I do not understand why people find it so amazing that I will do something that they find unfathomable.Apparently you do care, judging by how upset you are. Not everyone is exactly like you and not everyone is going to have the same opinion as you.
You know what? Take your own advice. I know everyone is not like me and not going to have the same opinion as me. That's fine, to each his own. But why, please tell me, why do people like you who cannot or choose not to do for yourself feel the need to either look down on me or view me and others like me with disbelief when we do go and do something? Why do you feel the need to view those of us who do as "poor" or "cheap" and then validate your assessments with "I worked hard so I would have the choice!" Like I haven't worked hard? Like I don't have the choice? Really?
You are going to sit here and tell those of us who do that we are some how lesser because we learned out of necessity because we couldn't afford to have someone do it for us? You're lambasting me for the argument you are trying to use against me. What's worse is that I never made that argument to begin with. You read farther than my words ever went and then chose to come down on me for that. THAT'S what I'm ticked off about about.Expert Moron Extraordinaire
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Ok the be like you thing was childish and i'll apologize, BUT.. the way you came off to ME and obviously a few others was that you are better because you do and others dont. I'll have you know i am very handy around the garage, shop etc. My point wasnt that i was insulted that i couldnt and you could, Just the way you come off from my personal observation.
Look up Pompous. Thats you IMHO
Get over yourself.
Pauly
And who are you to try and teach me a lesson about an idea you have based on your personal opinion of me?
You are pompous. You're also biased. Get over yourself.Expert Moron Extraordinaire
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For the record, i really don't see where Phantom has said that he looks down on people like you or me, so i'm not real sure what you're ranting about.
What he's looking down upon (and rightfully so if that was the intent) is the percieved chest-thumping over "i can do this, and these people can't, so i'm better" aspect. I'm not saying that's what you were getting at, but it's pretty easy to arrive at that conclusion based on the way previous posts have been worded. His perception may be wrong, but at no point did he look down on anyone for doing something constructive.I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.
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it's because we don't know how to do guy stuff anymore.. somewhere over the past 30 years we have been programmed to hire someone to do guy stuff for us. leaving us to spend more time on our IPhones, IPads, Wii's, XBox's, PS3's.
I am guilty of it too.. it's how we live today. I look up to those people (men and women) who know how to do guy stuff and are handy men/women.PolkFest 2012, who's going>?
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That people worked hard so they could have the money to not have to do the things they dislike doing or have no desire to learn how to do?
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any questions?
Ding.
This entire thread is full of people misreading people and posts that are borderline offensive because of the ease in which they could be misconstrued.I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.
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Seriously? Or does everybody just pay someone else to do it now?
And no, this is not commentary on anyone specific either here or elsewhere. I'm just amazed at how many people are stunned that when I talk about a project I'm doing myself, they are in disbelief that I am doing the work myself. It makes me wonder do guys do guy stuff anymore and if they don't, why? Is it because they don't want to or don't know how to?
The biggest reason? Their fathers never taught them and in the absence of a father didn't spend any quality time with older men learning how to do stuff.
Some, of course, choose to pay someone and I get that. More time to have fun. If you don't know how to do something getting it done right the first time is cheaper in the long run. -
How about the people who pay someone to hook up their pc, or their home theatre system? I'm not handy by any means, but, I have noticed that the few handy man type things that I find intuitive, many people are utterly baffled by.
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concealer404 wrote: »I do "guy stuff."concealer404 wrote: »I ate Chinese Food that was delivered to my place of dwelling last night, because i wasn't manly enough to go out and kill my own food.
That said, eating chinese food out of a cardboard box is pretty manly. So it still qualifies as "guy stuff."concealer404 wrote: »Good point. I'll dress in camo and track him tonite using only my nose and my eyes.concealer404 wrote: »You're quite obviously not a man, nor good at "guy stuff" if you can't put up gutter by yourself in a correct manner. Turn in your man card, pansy.
;)concealer404 wrote: »How about "Tiberius Jagger Thor III?"concealer404 wrote: »I'm manly enough to not argue on the internet.concealer404 wrote: »For the record, i really don't see where Phantom has said that he looks down on people like you or me, so i'm not real sure what you're ranting about.
What he's looking down upon (and rightfully so if that was the intent) is the percieved chest-thumping over "i can do this, and these people can't, so i'm better" aspect. I'm not saying that's what you were getting at, but it's pretty easy to arrive at that conclusion based on the way previous posts have been worded. His perception may be wrong, but at no point did he look down on anyone for doing something constructive.
Pssssssst Ben come a little closer, I want to tell you a secret, can you hear me? YOU ARE ON HIS IGNORE LIST!!!! Why needle him if you've known this for a while.
For the rest, I read exactly what you folks read and I see nor saw chest pumping. It was a simple question that befuddles John as to why his peers look at him like he has two heads because he does "guy stuff" for himself.
My opinion is because, in his generation he is an anomoly! My generation for the most part did everything ourselves mainly because our parents went through the Great Depression and taught us how to save every penny we could. No my older son is only 26 and he does it all himself. He just bought a house and is doing everything himself. I'm proud of him. . .and I'm proud of John in that he tackles more stuff than even I did at his age.
So lighten up. Answer the question and move on. Is it always necessary to bust John's balls every time he posts something. So he isn't the most patient guy in world, and can be crass at times but one thing you can count on he will tell you like he sees it . . . . so what!?! Except him for what he is just like we do in our personal lives.
It's sickening to see how people just love to pounce on this guy who is basically a very knoweldgable helpful person.
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I do all my own work on the house. Sheetrock, plumbing, tiling, electrical and carpentry. I also repair any small engine I own. Cars are always under warranty so I don't have to do that but I used to.
My friends and I also do "guy"stuff as in no wives/girlfriends/daughters/mothers or great aunts allowed. Poker, power boats, car racing and other stuff when we need to feel manly. Flame me if you want, I don't mind. -
hearingimpared wrote: »Pssssssst Ben come a little closer, I want to tell you a secret, can you hear me? YOU ARE ON HIS IGNORE LIST!!!! Why needle him if you've known this for a while.
For the rest, I read exactly what you folks read and I see nor saw chest pumping. It was a simple question that befuddles John as to why his peers look at him like he has two heads because he does "guy stuff" for himself.
My opinion is because, in his generation he is an anomoly! My generation for the most part did everything ourselves mainly because our parents went through the Great Depression and taught us how to save every penny we could. No my older son is only 26 and he does it all himself. He just bought a house and is doing everything himself. I'm proud of him. . .and I'm proud of John in that he tackles more stuff than even I did at his age.
So lighten up. Answer the question and move on. Is it always necessary to bust John's balls every time he posts something. So he isn't the most patient guy in world, and can be crass at times but one thing you can count on he will tell you like he sees it . . . . so what!?! Except him for what he is just like we do in our personal lives.
It's sickening to see how people just love to pounce on this guy who is basically a very knoweldgable helpful person.
That's all folks!
Speaking of misconstrued.
Joe, i'm not busting his balls at all, or at least not intending to. I understood what he posted, i'm in the same boat. I am often amazed at how incapable people are in the area of taking care of their own business, whether that be finances, being "handy," or even their own health/personal accountability as a whole. There's been recent threads that fall into that category, but i'm not going to list them in order to avoid nasty confrontations. Much like John, (much as he and i would hate to admit similarities) i call it as i see it.
John's posts are being misinterpreted. PhantomOG's posts are getting WILDLY misinterpreted. That's all i said.
The rest of what i posted was merely humor, and not to make fun of anyone. I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.
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my mom was to controlling... and that's why I can't do any guy things these days..
good psychologists always blame the mom
Jeeze a simple post by John and it turns out to get ugly. i didn't see that one coming :rolleyes:
no offense to anyone.. i just find the humor in some of these threads. I like this topic.. it brings to light how "useless" we have become as humans.. always relying on someone else to do our dirty work if you will.
Off topic warning! Same can be said for feeding ourselves. How many grown up's do not know how to cook a simple meal? Most of my 20 and 30 something coworkers have never cooked a meal/dinner in their lives.. eating out every night. It's their life and $, but cooking a meal is easy, less expensive and there is a certain satisfaction in creating and consuming something tasty you prepared yourself. I would shrivel up and die if I couldn't cook my own food. PolkFest 2012, who's going>?
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I was at my sisters a few months ago and her washer was running and I opened it to throw something in and noticed that the agitator wasn't spinning at alL.......I asked her how long that had been like that and she said that's how it always had been.
Using tools they had in their closet, I took the center column apart, went to Sears and bought the parts needed, installed them, and got it working. After I started a new load of wash, she looked in there and asked me if it was supposed to be spinning that much.....lol.....
Her husband not only isn't one to look at the things and fix them, but doesn't even know that they aren't working the way they should......I can definitely understand the 'amazement' of John on this.....comment comment comment comment. bitchy. -
Lots of good points in this thread, some choose to have others do things for them because of time constraints, some choose to have others do things for them because of lack of interest, we are not all interested in the same things and it doesnt make you less manly for choosing not to, others have enough money to hire someone and choose to do so because of physical health reasons or they find the job distasteful, all valid reasons in my mind.
But like john I am amazed on a daily basis by people that seem in awe that you can do or are willing to try and do these things.
REGARDS SNOWWell, I just pulled off the impossible by doing a double-blind comparison all by myself, purely by virtue of the fact that I completely and stupidly forgot what I did last. I guess that getting old does have its advantages after all -
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danger boy wrote: »it's because we don't know how to do guy stuff anymore.. somewhere over the past 30 years we have been programmed to hire someone to do guy stuff for us. leaving us to spend more time on our IPhones, IPads, Wii's, XBox's, PS3's.
I am guilty of it too.. it's how we live today. I look up to those people (men and women) who know how to do guy stuff and are handy men/women.
Well, most of the TV sitcoms show an inept father and the gags were always the same: something breaks, mom calls for the repairman, dad says he can do it, dad makes it worse, repairman charges more.
So, yeah, we've been somewhat brainwashed but I wonder how much of it is our wives wanting us to go hire professional help because they've seen the same sitcoms too. -
If it's a 'project' from which I stand to learn something and can afford a mistake I'll tackle it.
If it's mundane stuff I'd rather pay someone to do it.
So I'll tackle the job of installing a turbocharger in a second vehicle because I see it as a fun project and I'll most likely learn something. But stuff like mowing the yard and changing my oil? F that, I'm not wasting my time with that crap.
My basic rule is if I can pay someone to do it for less than I can do it myself (using my salary as the basis) then I'll pay to have it done. Stuff like mowing grass and changing oil, it's cheaper for me to pay someone else to do it than what I make an hour. It's not perfect logic I know, but it works as a baseline.
I make enough money to have that choice, and I'd rather do fun stuff and hang out with friends during my spare time. -
AL! For shame! I shave the pits don'tcha know? Ever since lightman and his hissy-fit about "rogue hair" and "eye pokes", it's been a priority.
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Guys are in one of two buckets:
No Money and a lot of time = DIY
No Time and a lot (or a good amount) of money = pay someone else.
As long as you're providing and taking care of your ****, you're no less of a man by being in either 'bucket'.
I'm kinda in the third bucket:
No money and a lot of time = don't do it at all because I don't have the money.:D
Sad, but true
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Like others have said - depends on the job.
We just paid to have all 3 of our bathrooms remodeled w/ new countertops, toilets, tile work, plumbing for showers, etc.
Sure - I could have had a shot at it..and be working on the project until winter....and my wife would kill me! Also, I didn't relish the thought of make continual trips to Home Depot for the next doodah I forgot, or was too short, or the wrong type, or cuz I f'd it up.
Instead we paid a pro to do it and that left more time for me to go camping and fishing with the kids....that counts as manly right?
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I see people every day that would perish within weeks or less if there were any sort of real disaster, they simply dont know how to or even have the willingness to try to hunt, fish, grow a garden, cut firewood or do any of the things that would be needed to survive in a world without electricity and fuel let alone actually fix or build something.
REGARDS SNOW Snow, this is 2010 not 1810, it really isn't necessary to do those things, especially when you live in cities. Where are you going to burn that firewood? How far are you going to have to walk to get to an ocean, lake, river to fish? Last time I checked, you can't plant in concrete. What are you going to hunt with & where are you going to go to hunt?
My best friend from HS can give any of you DIYers a run for your money with taking apart/put together/repair a car, repairing/updating her house, repairing just about anything on a boat. (she's a licensed boat Capt.) She can do all of this because she was (single mom = no money = DIY/cheap)
There is no right or wrong answer here, and nobody is less of a man/woman/human being whether or not they can do any of this stuff.
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I find myself increasingly baffled by the predominate attitude of "I couldn't do that" when most of the stuff is quite easy. Now, there's certain stuff I won't tackle. Like plumbing. I HATE plumbing. Electrical too but only because I don't want to screw something up 'cause I could burn my house down. But I'll tackle pretty much anything else. People are amazed at that. They think it's hard but really, it' not. It's hard work but it's not difficult work.
I just wonder if anybody does for themselves anymore 'cause it seems to me that people who, like you and me, who do do for ourselves are getting more rare.
I've done all of my home electrical and plumbing work. I haven't found a job I couldn't tackle, yet. I'm no electrician - every time I do something I pull out my trusty book entitled, "Basic Home Wiring" and carefully apply it to the job at hand. I've never had a fear of injuring myself or burning the house down. I just work slowly and deliberately. Probably takes me 2 or 3 times longer than an electrician, but it's fun and satisfying (and saves me $$).
(Now that I've typed the word fun, I think that might be another key to why some guys don't tackle certain jobs - there's no fun in it for them. That and the satisfaction is displaced by the fear that they might end up **** things up. Often times people just don't realize how easy some jobs are to do. Of course, easy is a relative term...)
Anyhow, I'm just saying that different folks have different comfort levels. What seems easy to me is difficult to another, and that's ok. I've always been a DIYer, and for many jobs, people have told me they're amazed at what I've accomplished, although very few of my accomplishments have amazed me. Most just seem normal to me, but that's just me. For whatever reason, it just pains me to pay someone else to do work that I can accomplish myself.
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What I wanted to know is why people are perplexed by my abilities and why they are so amazed by the things I am willing to accomplish that others aren't.
Gee, where do I line up for an autograph?:D
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Erik Tracy wrote: »Also, I didn't relish the thought of make continual trips to Home Depot for the next doodah I forgot, or was too short, or the wrong type, or cuz I f'd it up.
Real guys don't f'd it up. >
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