This is just hi larious! Field runner gets tasered at a Phillies game
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Classic!!!"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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hearingimpared wrote: »He and a few other's are what gives Philly it's bad rap
Actually, Joe, IMO the fact that the Phillies are from Philly is giving the Phillies a bad name.
The kid got tased, IMO, because he made the cop look bad. That kid deserved to get his arse kicked when his parents picked him up at the station, to be sure.
But perhaps a trail enrollment in Jenny Craig or Weight Watchers might be in order for the Philly police officer.
I hate to think of what would have happend if Obama Bin Laden had snuck (sneaked ?) into the stadium and charged at either team's dugout, wielding a camel's leg in one hand and sock full of quarters in the other !!!
I think that they should take away Officer Sparky's taser ...... and fully arm him with a bazooka for those long range shots when Osama does try to ruin our National past time ( under the assumption that Osama will be out of taser range after about ...... oh ...... 3 steps).
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mrbigbluelight wrote: »Actually, Joe, IMO the fact that the Phillies are from Philly is giving the Phillies a bad name.
Rick, I wish you could hear these.
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mrbigbluelight wrote: »Obama Bin Ladenmrbigbluelight wrote: »when Osama does try to ruin our National past time ( under the assumption that Osama will be out of taser range after about ...... oh ...... 3 steps).
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A current is induced by applying a voltage. It's just that if you cap off the current, then voltage itself won't be able to induce a lethal current.
You can't pump 500k volts through a person at low current, the voltage loss will show up outside the body. Impedance regulates current.
It's hard to say how much current is needed to kill someone. It's going to depend on how it's applied. Directly to the heart, 1ma and you're probably done with this world. A heart muscle's action potential is on the order of 70mV. Someone wearing a pacemaker ends up with catheters to the heart that can serve to increase the taser danger.
Not to mention, the risk of fibrillation. How many cops walk around with defibrillators and the expertise to use them?
p.s. a heart is affected just as much as other muscles. It is the heart's natural pacemaker, the sinoatrial node, that gives a fundamental heartbeat. Yes! Your heart will beat if the tissue gets oxygen even when removed from the body. It's kinda freaky.
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hearingimpared wrote: »The ole internet Bronx cheer!:D
Thank goodness that was a Bronx cheer ...... I was afraid that was a Boston (bean) cheer.
Freudian slip?
(dam this spell checker !!!!)
Also, I meant to say, "TRIAL enrollment" not "TRAIL enrollment".
It's just hard to pay attention when I start entertaining myself.
Awesome adjustment of that picture, btw ..... CP can use more of your handiwork .Sal Palooza -
I got in trouble 20 years ago for blasting a guy with a fire extinguisher. He had a knife and was begging us to shoot him. I was told I should have either killed him or talked him down. We use to use fire extinguishers on Pit Bulls all the time.
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You can't pump 500k volts through a person at low current, the voltage loss will show up outside the body. Impedance regulates current.
The point was lost on you, wasn't it? Know how I know? You reiterated the same point as if I had never made it.
BTW, a cattle prod typically runs about 500,000 volts for the smaller ones. Stick someone with that and they'll poo their pants and disorient them but it's unlikely that they will die.
Using a human in a circuit as a resistor...yeah, that's a little twisted. But no, you aren't going to see 500,000 volts out because the body is not just a resistor but it has capacitance too. There are several laws that state that you won't get out the same voltage you put in.Expert Moron Extraordinaire
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FiveORacing wrote: »I got in trouble 20 years ago for blasting a guy with a fire extinguisher. He had a knife and was begging us to shoot him. I was told I should have either killed him or talked him down. We use to use fire extinguishers on Pit Bulls all the time.
(NJ)
What???
I had fire extinguishers go off in/near my face on a fairly regular basis when working for a fire safety shop 1 summer. All I did was fill extinguishers or test fire hose at factories all summer long.
You did the guy a favor with the fire extinguisher. Good thinking, even if your superiors didn't agree...
And agreed on both that the kid shouldn't have been running like that, and captain fatty could stand to lose a few pounds. I was at the Richmond nascar race last weekend, and some of the sheriffs there couldnt catch my 84 year old grandfather, much less a suspect in full stride....2007 Club Polk Football Pool Champ
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Yup...correct.
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Read up on it in Wikipedia, just like you friend. I'm not going to debate tasers, arguments can be made both ways.
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I've already posted the facts that are relevant to the discussion here. I guess we could agree to disagree, but why would I want to do that when I'm winning the debate??
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No, see, genius, everything I wrote came from my brain. I quoted Wikipedia because it was the first link that came up when I asked Google to tell me how a TASER worked.
You haven't posted any facts. If you have, you haven't provided anything to show that they are anything more than your misguided opinions or your flawed deductive reasoning concerning law enforcement policies.
Joe,
I've always seen the "death limit" I guess you could call it as a half an amp (.5). But then again, when talking about voltages that large, it doesn't really matter because you could crack your brain bucket open from the fall, nevermind the amperage.Expert Moron Extraordinaire
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Many patrol vehicles carry AED's, which requires training/rectification at least every other year. Besides, I'm sure the ballpark has a few on hand. You can even find them at little league parks nowadays.Not to mention, the risk of fibrillation. How many cops walk around with defibrillators and the expertise to use them?"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche -
What?! Is he a field runner too, at his age?!... I was at the Richmond nascar race last weekend, and some of the sheriffs there couldnt catch my 84 year old grandfather, ...Alea jacta est! -
Many patrol vehicles carry AED's, which requires training/rectification at least every other year. Besides, I'm sure the ballpark has a few on hand. You can even find them at little league parks nowadays.
My ex's friend's husband works for the Phillies in the front office. Everyone is trained in basic first aid, whatever the process is that replaced CPR and they have a select few trained to use A.E.D.s which are required by law in PA, just like NJ, IIRC. Hell, in public places there are automated A.E.D.s in boxes on the street. You break the box to get to the A.E.D. and it calls the ambulance to that location. It also will not defib if it senses a regular heat beat. It doesn't shock if not hooked up correctly either. So they keep people from killing each other fairly well.Expert Moron Extraordinaire
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The units are pretty idiot proof. Along with illustrations, many give verbal commands, guiding the user through the procedure."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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OK, so forget the bomb in New York, what about Monica Seles being stabbed by a 19 year-old?
Exactly what was not supposed to be "potentially dangerous" about this field runner in the officer's split second judgement?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/april/30/newsid_2499000/2499161.stm
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A current is induced by applying a voltage. It's just that if you cap off the current, then voltage itself won't be able to induce a lethal current.
You can't pump 500k volts through a person at low current, the voltage loss will show up outside the body. Impedance regulates current.
It's hard to say how much current is needed to kill someone. It's going to depend on how it's applied. Directly to the heart, 1ma and you're probably done with this world. A heart muscle's action potential is on the order of 70mV. Someone wearing a pacemaker ends up with catheters to the heart that can serve to increase the taser danger.
Not to mention, the risk of fibrillation. How many cops walk around with defibrillators and the expertise to use them?
p.s. a heart is affected just as much as other muscles. It is the heart's natural pacemaker, the sinoatrial node, that gives a fundamental heartbeat. Yes! Your heart will beat if the tissue gets oxygen even when removed from the body. It's kinda freaky.
Don't ask me why I've been reading a medical school pathophysiology of heart disease textbook. I still don't know. But I can read your ECG for you if you want.
Not entirely true, you can use step up transformers to up the voltage to any level and the resistance that voltage is applied to is a non-factor as the transformer is only stepping up the voltage and lowering the current. I'm sure tasers are step up transformers or else the danger to kill someone with it would be hit or miss. -
Yup...correct.
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I think you have a very limited concept of "world". Maybe you should consider taking the occasional stroll out of your Platonic cave every once in a while lest you find yourself choking on so many absolutes.
Either that or you could eat a sandwich. I could care less.I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore -
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Well, if the guy dies on the field, I be pissed about the major ensuing delay, not to mention explaining it away to my kid, which would be either, "He's sleeping because he got hurt", or "Don't fool around, or you can be killed by law enforcement".
Yeah, he shouldn't have been on the field, but if tasing can be lethal, there's no need to be doing this at a baseball game.
What happened to common sense?
Another great thing about tasers may be that most police officers I meet seem to be out of shape, not all, but many. I support law enforcement; just an empirical observation from personal experience.Vette C6.r wrote: »Wow. Ace if you don't want to get tased stay in your damn set and not running around the field. SIMPLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So sick of bleeding hearts saying what they could or would do. Put a badge on and you go chase the guy then. You can shot him with rubber bands, throw chewing gum, boomerangs, nets or shoot spider webs that come out of your hands.
What if the guy had a weapon or injured one of the players, groundsmen or fans then I am sure you would be saying "why didn't the police take care of the problem when they had a chance".
I am sure you would make a great juror.
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Another guy ran on the field last night.
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20100504_Another_fan_on_Phillies_field__but_no_Taser_used.html
I heard this morning that he had some kind of illegal drug in his pocket but I have been unable to find a news story to corroborate that.Expert Moron Extraordinaire
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Ugh!
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Anything COULD be lethal. As has been mentioned at least a dozen times, multiple 200+ pounds guys jumping on top of a 17-year old could certainly be lethal, or at least break some bones.If you will it, dude, it is no dream.
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The units are pretty idiot proof. Along with illustrations, many give verbal commands, guiding the user through the procedure.
+1 there. I know because we have lots of 'em.
(readers can decide for themselves which sentence above I am referring to:D:D)
Seriously, I am AED certified, not really all that much to it. Very clear instructions with drawings, and yes, even voice prompts.So, are you willing to put forth a little effort or are you happy sitting in your skeptical poo pile?
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If the police use any type of lethal or potentially lethal force to subdue a person, then they better make sure they have just cause. This includes multiple 200+ pound guys jumping on someone. If their lives or someone else's life is not in danger, then no lethal force should be applied.
The debate these days is whether or not tasers are lethal. According to Amnesty International, the USA reached 334 people who died after being tasered between 2001 and August 2008. This number should give law enforcement pause as to their indiscriminate use. I agree that tasers are less-lethal (thus better) than other types of force used to subdue someone, but to say that it is non-lethal is a misnomer.
My concern is that police use them indiscriminately. There are many videos out there that show their use when it simply wasn't called for. -
maximillian wrote: »The debate these days is whether or not tasers are lethal. According to Amnesty International, the USA reached 334 people who died after being tasered between 2001 and August 2008. This number should give law enforcement pause as to their indiscriminate use. I agree that tasers are less-lethal (thus better) than other types of force used to subdue someone, but to say that it is non-lethal is a misnomer.
They are non-lethal. You cite a statistic that even without another important statistic, which is the number of people tasered overall in that time period, seems incredibly small over 7 years.
I also have to challenge the notion that they're used indiscriminately. Have you ever been tasered by the police? I haven't. It's a great way to subdue people that need to be subdued. Rather than chase this kid around they took him down with non-lethal force.
I'm glad this little puke was tasered. Not only does it make for hilarious video, he deserved it for wasting everyone's time and presenting an unknown danger to those on the field. If it wasn't a taser his **** was gonna get taken down like this:
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Oh, come on! I use a TASER on myself all the time! It's fun! Sometimes, when I'm having "happy time" with zombie boy, I have him squeeze that trigger and ZZZZRRRRTTT!!! I'm off in la-la land!
Only problem is, sometimes I wake up and that pumpkin pie haircutted freak from "No Country For Old Men" is standing over me but he sounds like Abe Vigoda in "Joe Versus The Volcano" and he's shouting at me and asking me where his socks are. How the hell am I supposed to know? It gets really freaky when I wake up and I have a Little Bo Peep outfit on but I have no idea where the octopus came from, why it is cowering in the corner or why it has those sad "Precious Moments" eyes. Sometimes it sounds like it's faintly crying and whimpering to itself.
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They are non-lethal. You cite a statistic that even without another important statistic, which is the number of people tasered overall in that time period, seems incredibly small over 7 years.
I also have to challenge the notion that they're used indiscriminately. Have you ever been tasered by the police? I haven't. It's a great way to subdue people that need to be subdued. Rather than chase this kid around they took him down with non-lethal force.
I'm glad this little puke was tasered. Not only does it make for hilarious video, he deserved it for wasting everyone's time and presenting an unknown danger to those on the field. If it wasn't a taser his **** was gonna get taken down like this:
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That was a picture perfect tackle. I'm surprized the goof ball didn't break his collar bone when he got slammed to the turf! Great vid Dave!
