R2R dac vs. Delta Sigma type dac

Geoff4rfc wrote: »

heiney9 wrote: »

Other than the lower listening level, "I'd swear they are in the room with me".


H9

That right there!!! The beauty of the DAC. It's a humble privilege to have this firsthand knowledge.

I had the same experience with my other dac, just not to this degree. With the r2r, there seems to be even more delineation of instruments, voices and performers. More air, more decay, more texture and "space", in general.

The EE gives me that also, but the r2r does it a bit better, enough to be easily noticeable. Not night and day, but noticeable

I could live with either, but now that I've heard the Warmer r2r, it would be hard to go back.

H9

I am quite happy that even at this price point it sounds really good. I was expecting something different (compared to the std sabre), but honestly for this little $$$, I didn't expect to sound so good and be convinced almost right away it's overall presentation is more pleasing than the Sabre unit.

The clarity, blackness in the background and ambient retrieval information is excellent. Even a performers blowing of air across a wood reed of an instrument has taken on a new clarity.

Cymbals have more of a metallic sound but without the slight sizzle or "tizz". It seems everything is in better focus to use a eye glass term. It's like a layer of slight haze or mist has been taken away. More organic sounding.

Piano music is definitely more realistic. All piano to me had a slight ringing/resonance at certain frequencies that seems less noticeable with the r2r. Recording dependent of course.

I haven't even bothered to flip to Oversampling Mode, as far as I'm concerned it's not necessary for me at this point. People have reported rolled off highs. The r2r is as crisp as the EE just less of the haziness. It's very relaxed, yet very precise.

I have not really explored how much the tubes add. I have better tubes to roll. But I'm leaving it as is for awhile.

My Eastern Electric Dac Plus was $1195 retail in about 2012. Added $200 op-amps. It's no slouch, but there is enough of a positive difference with the Warmer r2r that I prefer it.

Worth the hype, worth every penny. I can't say how good it is compared to pricier R2R units. But if this more entry level unit is this good; I am going to explore a nicer r2r dac for the main rig.

H9

Geoff4rfc wrote: »

heiney9 wrote: »

If all goes well in the office rig with the RTR, I'll be looking/researching/taking advice on an excellent RTR for the main rig. But that's a ways down the road, perhaps...........



H9

You might check out Denafrips. From what I see, it doesn't look like they carry any tube DACs however the one I have is pretty stinking awesome. The Venus is what I snagged a deal on, pricy but man, it has transformed my 2ch listening to an "experience" each time. I couldn't be happier with a blind buy as I am with this one.

My girlfriend's reaction is pretty sweet. She says that it's like "having my own personal concert". When she closes her eyes, she says she can see all the instruments right there in room with her. I have to agree with her.

Glad to hear you're enjoying yours!!!

I'm looking into Denafrips units right now. Looks like a good bang for the buck.

H9

I don't want anymore tubes in the main rig. A tube pre gives just enough tubed flavor. If the pre wasn't tubed I might consider a tubed dac. I assume all ABBAS products are tube. I briefly went to their website, not something you can navigate quickly.

H9