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@nooshinjohn This is like comical cognitive dissonance. It is there in black and white for all to see that you were #4 in line with the snide remarks mucking up his thread. Psst. He is improving something he see potential in.......just like when you installed dynamat in your 1.2TLs.....oh wait.......nevermind.
@daddyjt You were #1 in line. Congratulations!
Happy Thanksgiving Polkies(?).George / NJ
Polk 7B main speakers, std. mods+ (1979, orig owner)
Martin Logan Dynamo sub w/6ft 14awg Power Cord
Onkyo A-8017 integrated
Logitech Squeezebox Touch Streamer w/EDO applet
iFi nano iDSD DAC
iPurifier3
iDefender w/ iPower PS
Custom Steve Wilson 1m UPOCC Interconnect
iFi Mercury 0.5m OFHC continuous cast copper USB cable
Custom Ribbon Speaker Cables, 5ft long, 4N Copper, 14awg, ultra low inductance
Custom Vibration Isolation Speaker Stands and Sub Platform -
Gardenstater wrote: »…@daddyjt You were #1 in line. Congratulations!.
Thanks! I knew sooner or later I’d get a compliment out of you! That made my day;-)“Human beings are born with different capacities. If they are free, they are not equal. And if they are equal, they are not free.”
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Gardenstater wrote: »…@daddyjt You were #1 in line. Congratulations!.
Thanks! I knew sooner or later I’d get a compliment out of you! That made my day;-)
Well you earned it. I hope it gave you whatever it is you need lol.George / NJ
Polk 7B main speakers, std. mods+ (1979, orig owner)
Martin Logan Dynamo sub w/6ft 14awg Power Cord
Onkyo A-8017 integrated
Logitech Squeezebox Touch Streamer w/EDO applet
iFi nano iDSD DAC
iPurifier3
iDefender w/ iPower PS
Custom Steve Wilson 1m UPOCC Interconnect
iFi Mercury 0.5m OFHC continuous cast copper USB cable
Custom Ribbon Speaker Cables, 5ft long, 4N Copper, 14awg, ultra low inductance
Custom Vibration Isolation Speaker Stands and Sub Platform -
Hey if it makes you guys feel any better I'm going to start working on my speakers again tonight 😜 I'll post lots of pics for your entertainment or annoyance take your pick. 🤣🤣"Equality is a myth to protect the weak. Some of us are strong in the Force, others are not. Only a fool believes otherwise." - Sith Proverb.
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nooshinjohn wrote: »Gardenstater wrote: »@nooshinjohn This is like comical cognitive dissonance. It is there in black and white for all to see that you were #4 in line with the snide remarks mucking up his thread. Psst. He is improving something he see potential in.......just like when you installed dynamat in your 1.2TLs.....oh wait.......nevermind.
@daddyjt You were #1 in line. Congratulations!
Happy Thanksgiving Polkies(?).
I hardly mucked up the thread, and the OP thanked me for not doing just that, but being the poster child for wasted sperm cells, you probably couldn't read that.
You stepped up your game to the forum child we all know and love. Psst. "more cowbell" was definitely a piling on with the snide remarks. You cronies came out like yellow jackets.George / NJ
Polk 7B main speakers, std. mods+ (1979, orig owner)
Martin Logan Dynamo sub w/6ft 14awg Power Cord
Onkyo A-8017 integrated
Logitech Squeezebox Touch Streamer w/EDO applet
iFi nano iDSD DAC
iPurifier3
iDefender w/ iPower PS
Custom Steve Wilson 1m UPOCC Interconnect
iFi Mercury 0.5m OFHC continuous cast copper USB cable
Custom Ribbon Speaker Cables, 5ft long, 4N Copper, 14awg, ultra low inductance
Custom Vibration Isolation Speaker Stands and Sub Platform -
Monitor 4’s were really good speakers from the factory. Perhaps yours had problems such as capacitors out of compliance or something else. But they weren’t crap from the factory.
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Monitor 4’s were really good speakers from the factory. Perhaps yours had problems such as capacitors out of compliance or something else. But they weren’t crap from the factory.
Amazing it just doesn't stop 🤣. yeh my capacitors were out of compliance so decided to veneer the speakers? what's wrong with you? have you read anything I was doing?
Do you own a pair and your actually speaking from experience? I do own 2 pairs, and I am speaking from experiencing. Do you have some kind of 1970s magazine article reviewing these and stating they are really good?
Nothing right? You just decided out of thin air that they are really good so you could argue with someone you don't know?
I don't believe these were ever intended to be "really good" as much as affordable.
I said I believe these have potential to be decent speakers considering they do have a decent woofer and a very good tweeter.
Jeeze .... the so-called president of your own forum has bashed these speakers repeatedly or you don't read your own forum of which you been a member for far longer than you should probably admit."Equality is a myth to protect the weak. Some of us are strong in the Force, others are not. Only a fool believes otherwise." - Sith Proverb. -
The 2 original capacitors"Equality is a myth to protect the weak. Some of us are strong in the Force, others are not. Only a fool believes otherwise." - Sith Proverb. -
The cabinets are not even 7” deep. With the original crossover almost touching the magnet and all the foam stuffed in between it completely muffles the bass and lower mids.
I’m sure creating that space behind the woofer is going to dramatically change the sound of these speakers."Equality is a myth to protect the weak. Some of us are strong in the Force, others are not. Only a fool believes otherwise." - Sith Proverb. -
Lighten up, Francis. You said, “it was garbage as it came from Polk originally.” That’s what I was responding to. And yeah, I’ve owned Monitor 4’s. As I’ve said many times on this forum, probably most recently when I reviewed the L200’s, I couldn’t believe what those little boxes produced, particularly the bass, and I think they may be my favorite of the monitors from that lineage other than the Monitor 7’s. I just recently gave them to a friend of mine in Colorado Springs who loves them as well. I’ve had pretty much all those Monitors and still have a pair of Monitor 5 Peerless, Monitor 7 Peerless, Monitor 7C’s, and I own or have owned a boatload of other Polk as well as other bookies, up to and including L200’s. And I’ve owned stereos since about 1970, so I dont have to rely on articles from that time period, I’ve lived it Sparky. If someone wants to disagree on the relevant merits of a speaker so be it, beauty is in eye of the beholder, but the Monitor 4’s were not garbage as they came from Polk originally.
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Looks like I have enough wire left over from an other project to do the insides of both of these 👍"Equality is a myth to protect the weak. Some of us are strong in the Force, others are not. Only a fool believes otherwise." - Sith Proverb. -
Lighten up, Francis. You said, “it was garbage as it came from Polk originally.” That’s what I was responding to. And yeah, I’ve owned Monitor 4’s. As I’ve said many times on this forum, probably most recently when I reviewed the L200’s, I couldn’t believe what those little boxes produced, particularly the bass, and I think they may be my favorite of the monitors from that lineage other than the Monitor 7’s. I just recently gave them to a friend of mine in Colorado Springs who loves them as well. I’ve had pretty much all those Monitors and still have a pair of Monitor 5 Peerless, Monitor 7 Peerless, Monitor 7C’s, and I own or have owned a boatload of other Polk as well as other bookies, up to and including L200’s. And I’ve owned stereos since about 1970, so I dont have to rely on articles from that time period, I’ve lived it Sparky. If someone wants to disagree on the relevant merits of a speaker so be it, beauty is in eye of the beholder, but the Monitor 4’s were not garbage as they came from Polk originally.
That's cool.
So, this is totally not for you. I am trying to make these better. Not sure why you're even reading this.
I love Polk speakers. The surround system downstairs is all Polk and I own 8 pair of vintage Polk's.
If it somehow upsets you that I am trying to upgrade and improve these speakers just do use favor and don't read this like I said this isn't for you.
I like that you called me Sparky 🤣"Equality is a myth to protect the weak. Some of us are strong in the Force, others are not. Only a fool believes otherwise." - Sith Proverb. -
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yeh wow is right.. I've received many messages from other member that won't comment but agree with me. They don't say anything because of the way you clowns react. Their messages in way inspired me not care too much about your opinions. Its shame that a small few can ruin a community."Equality is a myth to protect the weak. Some of us are strong in the Force, others are not. Only a fool believes otherwise." - Sith Proverb.
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I've received many messages from other member that won't comment but agree with me.
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Coming from you? You have 50000 posts and you're calling me a loser? dude when was the last time you changed your depends? wow get a life
Your the main reason this place is going downhill."Equality is a myth to protect the weak. Some of us are strong in the Force, others are not. Only a fool believes otherwise." - Sith Proverb. -
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Nobody else is obstinate around here lol. 😆 I recall f1 telling people who were all happy with their new M10 purchase that it wasn't a very good speaker, not just once or twice too. And SL1000 and SL2000s which were Polks first tweeters suck. So cut Denis a little slack for being opinionated about his M4s so far. You all praised him for his M7 thread and he is not giving up on these in case you haven't noticed. Maybe there is something yet to be uncovered that is wrong with the inductor values, tweeter polarity, enclosure damping materials.........other possibilities. All you cronies that say you have had these speakers and not one suggestion out of any of you.George / NJ
Polk 7B main speakers, std. mods+ (1979, orig owner)
Martin Logan Dynamo sub w/6ft 14awg Power Cord
Onkyo A-8017 integrated
Logitech Squeezebox Touch Streamer w/EDO applet
iFi nano iDSD DAC
iPurifier3
iDefender w/ iPower PS
Custom Steve Wilson 1m UPOCC Interconnect
iFi Mercury 0.5m OFHC continuous cast copper USB cable
Custom Ribbon Speaker Cables, 5ft long, 4N Copper, 14awg, ultra low inductance
Custom Vibration Isolation Speaker Stands and Sub Platform -
Of course, you would say that when your part of the problem too. Another one that lives on an internet forum with your 25000 posts🤣. This is like a nursing home for cranky old geezers 🤣🤣 You guys should all go change your diapers."Equality is a myth to protect the weak. Some of us are strong in the Force, others are not. Only a fool believes otherwise." - Sith Proverb.
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Denis check the midwoofers for suspension sag. Mine from the same era that are currently in my 7Bs, that are now modded with phase plugs and Armacell inside, are from parted out M4s and they sound fantastic. If the voice coil isn't centered it won't have the same xmax in both directions and could have a voice coil that starts to leave the gap. That'll mess up the sound big time. Mine measure 0.735 in. from the rear of the mounting flange to the point of the cone where the dust cap meets the cone.George / NJ
Polk 7B main speakers, std. mods+ (1979, orig owner)
Martin Logan Dynamo sub w/6ft 14awg Power Cord
Onkyo A-8017 integrated
Logitech Squeezebox Touch Streamer w/EDO applet
iFi nano iDSD DAC
iPurifier3
iDefender w/ iPower PS
Custom Steve Wilson 1m UPOCC Interconnect
iFi Mercury 0.5m OFHC continuous cast copper USB cable
Custom Ribbon Speaker Cables, 5ft long, 4N Copper, 14awg, ultra low inductance
Custom Vibration Isolation Speaker Stands and Sub Platform -
100% no suggestions just a bunch belly aching old bags crying about their feelings. 🤣🤣🤣"Equality is a myth to protect the weak. Some of us are strong in the Force, others are not. Only a fool believes otherwise." - Sith Proverb.
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Ensure, surely. Depends...well that depends lmao. Enjoying the speaker build too.Don't take experimental gene therapies from known eugenicists.
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^^ Those must be down under 😆
Those are the 4A with the 4 ohm tweeter and the 4 ohm MW6502. The version after that was the M4 Series 2 with the SL1500 tweeter which looks different.George / NJ
Polk 7B main speakers, std. mods+ (1979, orig owner)
Martin Logan Dynamo sub w/6ft 14awg Power Cord
Onkyo A-8017 integrated
Logitech Squeezebox Touch Streamer w/EDO applet
iFi nano iDSD DAC
iPurifier3
iDefender w/ iPower PS
Custom Steve Wilson 1m UPOCC Interconnect
iFi Mercury 0.5m OFHC continuous cast copper USB cable
Custom Ribbon Speaker Cables, 5ft long, 4N Copper, 14awg, ultra low inductance
Custom Vibration Isolation Speaker Stands and Sub Platform -
Maybe they sound better inverted?Don't take experimental gene therapies from known eugenicists.
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2ch rig: Speakers: LSi9s with VR3's Fortress mods Preamplifier: Parasound P5 DAC: Fiio K13 Amplifier: Parasound A23 CDP: Pioneer DV-563A Cables: Wireworld Equinox 7 XLR ICs, Wireworld Ultraviolet 7 USB, AudioQuest Q2s, AudioQuest NRG X(preamp)
Standby: Magnepan LRS w/Magna Riser stands -
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Gardenstater wrote: »@Ryan_Soundunited Any chance we could get this schematic posted in the Vintage Speaker section under Schematics (all except SDA)? Probably only the 2nd schematic we have existing of the Peerless days.
Let me see what I can do here. I will contact our SME and see if we can get that added onto the forums. -
After looking into this thread, I've decided to make this a public comment.
Refrain from being hostile in your comments towards others. Sound is too subjective of an experience to put others down for their opinions. This applies to everyone to has engaged in this discourse on this thread and others. You can peacefully speak your opinion without personally attacking others and veering off course of what the thread was originally posted about.
I personally like when people take it upon themselves to mod their gear, I do a lot of that with my own studio gear ranging from microphones to audio hardware, I have yet to crack into home audio gear like DeRod has done here but I commend him for it. If you do not have anything nice or constructive to say, then move on.
This forum will continue to degrade if frequent users continue to be negative towards others who are just sharing their experiences. Going forward, I will be more strict on how I handle these arguments that pop up from time to time. Keep it focused on audio, be friendly towards one another, don't further push this forum into a pit of negativity. We would rather have new users who are welcomed into the community than to alienate those who can bring new perspectives into the forums.
Otherwise, @DeRod, please continue with the build, I am curious to see what comes of it.
