Legend Line being discontinued.......?
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nooshinjohn wrote: »
If I used my L800’s in a surround set-up I would have already snagged them, but I don’t foresee that ever happening, especially now.. -
The trim rings would be more economical to 3D print than machine out of alloy.Don't take experimental gene therapies from known eugenicists.
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Should be relatively easy to draw up in cad. Od, Id then height differences between the two with a round over slope then locate the pins.
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Can one smooth the finish on 3D printed objects? Just abrasives line anything else?
I only have a few 3D printed items, and they all have the layer lines. For something like trim rings, I'd think one'd prefer a cleaner finish.
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Yes there's a process for it but I'm not fully up on 3d printers to go into detail- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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Should be relatively easy to draw up in cad. Od, Id then height differences between the two with a round over slope then locate the pins.
Agree 3d print would be way way cheaper.
Funny you should say that… I have the CAD files.
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There's plenty of 3d print communities. I'm sure someone would take on the contract work- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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You can use a technique called vapor smoothing for ABS and ASA filaments. It needs venting, but the results are great.
A lot of people use a carbon fiber-infused filament to give prints a textured look. It helps obscure layer lines.
On my new printers, if I go for high quality, you can't tell a simple object (like a ring, cube, etc.) is printed unless you look up close- sometimes up REALLY close.
I'm waiting for my important printing projects to get finished (hopefully by June), then I'm going to print some beveled rings for my 1C and 5B. I'll probably print in a matte PLA, and if that doesn't look great I'll try the ASA (I have a roll of black I've kept for a special project).The Thrifty Setups in Mah House Big thrifty stereo in the basement w/ my custom SDA-1C (built with help from kind forum members) * Beautiful 1966 MCM GE console upgraded w/ Bluetooth, Dual turntable, and Paradigm speakers in family room * Swanky 1980 Realistic system and great TEAC eq with dancing colored lights in the living room * custom 5B on a system for my Dad * Ye Olde college stereo in the garage -
Good info @plastic_avatar and @VR3, thanks for the quick answers!
Was just curious whether any of you were doing anything for that. Just something I noticed. Ability to refine the finished product certainly makes 3d printing a better contender for parts fab where finish quality is a consideration.I disabled signatures. -
I think it's really crappy (sh*^^y) of a company to stop producing replacement parts before they sell all the discontinued inventory or to cover a 5 year warranty?
WTF, say I have an accident with my left L600, basically no replacement parts are available or will be available. It should be a crime. If someone said to me you can buy these speakers but when they are discontinued there will no replacement parts......I'd have looked elsewhere. It's a HUGE disservice to not offer replacement parts for a period of time after discontinuation, or atleast 5 years out from your last sale. What good is a warranty if they stop making replacement parts?
I don't expect them to have parts for 20 years, but they don't seem to have parts to even cover the 5 year warranty. Atleast that's the info I seem to glean from here and other sources.
Am I reading this wrong?
H9"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul! -
So long as they are making the Reserve line, drivers and tweeters should be ok. I wonder about the trim rings from the Reserve and if they might work on Legends...The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2800 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
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nooshinjohn wrote: »So long as they are making the Reserve line, drivers and tweeters should be ok. I wonder about the trim rings from the Reserve and if they might work on Legends...
It's complete horse sh^t that they aren't producing full sets replacement parts for their most expensive line of speakers for at least 5 years. I never expected this from Polk regardless who owned the name.
I won't be buying any more products if this is how they are going to run things. I'll stop recommending them as well. I have probably sold a few sets of Reserve and Legend lines based on my enthusiasm for the company and the product.
Just when I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on a full HT system. I was going to buy the full Signature Elite line, but I'm now thinking very hard about going with a company that actually can stand behind what they sell.
Man this really, really irks me!!
H9"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul! -
Get used to it. It's not new, it's happening everywhere with nearly all goods, and we're never going back to long lasting quality and years if support and great customer service - not in anything.
How many of we Legend owners paid full retail or only bought on promo? We contribute to the problem when we do this. Worse when we spread that tip to other friends or family who only buy at half off. Can we accept deep discounts like that and expect a company to survive and support the product?
In the future, maybe consider using any purchase savings to immediately stock up on replacement parts, or buy multiple sets so you have a backup. I do this sometimes when I find stuff I like, because I've learned that it's sure to disappear or change.
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In this day and age, it'd be wise to plan for planned obsolescence.Don't take experimental gene therapies from known eugenicists.
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It's complete horse sh^t that they aren't producing full sets replacement parts for their most expensive line of speakers for at least 5 years. I never expected this from Polk regardless who owned the name.
I won't be buying any more products if this is how they are going to run things. I'll stop recommending them as well. I have probably sold a few sets of Reserve and Legend lines based on my enthusiasm for the company and the product.
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Very disappointing to be sure. I do agree that not making sure replacement parts are available from when the last set is sold is really a d@@k move. Makes me wonder how long the Reserves will be made. I'd better start thinking about getting some replacement parts myself as I buy new speakers every 30 years or so, so..., I'll die owning these...Remember, when you're running from something, you're running to something...-me
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What good is the warranty if there are no parts in the next 5 years. I get it, it's the way it is these days. If so, then don't talk about a warranty or offer a warranty.
Think what would happen if the auto industry did this? Sorry your car is a year old but we have no OEM parts for it. But, I have this nice shiny new car on the showroom and you can pay $5K over MSRP?
H9"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul! -
This is happening in the auto industry right now.
I know of a hand full of people with newer vehicles with problems that require parts with no time line to ever be produced.
The best part is the dealer shafts them on the trade.
It's real.- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit. -
Get used to it. It's not new, it's happening everywhere with nearly all goods, and we're never going back to long lasting quality and years if support and great customer service - not in anything.
How many of we Legend owners paid full retail or only bought on promo? We contribute to the problem when we do this. Worse when we spread that tip to other friends or family who only buy at half off. Can we accept deep discounts like that and expect a company to survive and support the product?
In the future, maybe consider using any purchase savings to immediately stock up on replacement parts, or buy multiple sets so you have a backup. I do this sometimes when I find stuff I like, because I've learned that it's sure to disappear or change.
I get what you are saying about the discounts, but I would submit when they made that offer of huge discounts in exchange for reviews, the decision was already made to slow production. The issue is the mismanagement of the brand back in the early 2000's to present. Polk became the equivalent of Emerson and Fisher. They saturated the mass market with a ton of sub-standard gear, HP computer speakers being the most egregious. The perception became cheap speakers that sound ok, and then the quality issues hit with soundbars and headphones.
Bottom line is when the Legends launched, then the pandemic hit and supply chains fell apart, any hope of there being a renaissance of the brand back into the higher end of audio was doomed. My understanding is that a couple of suppliers in China went under as well, though I do not know that from anyone within the company, but if true, could explain the lack of parts and for low volume as these appear to be, the lack of desire on the part of Polk/Masimo to find alternatives.The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2800 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
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What good is the warranty if there are no parts in the next 5 years ?
Some guy I know stated this....Great point.
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100%. Just another way businesses squeeze money out of consumers without the need to truly innovate or even necessarily add value. In fact, I'd say in many cases, it's about reducing value, yet ramping up marketing gimmickery.In this day and age, it'd be wise to plan for planned obsolescence.
I can't figure out if it's you guys or the people I work with, but I'm becoming cranky and opinionated, and I feel like I'm a perpetually-rolling 2 weeks away from camping out on my porch with a bucket of hammers to throw at speeding cars, people throwing trash out of their windows, and geese crapping all over the place.
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I hear you. The older I get the less I beat around the bush and just tell it like it is. If someone doesn't like it, I don't usually care anymore...Remember, when you're running from something, you're running to something...-me
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I hear you. The older I get the less I beat around the bush and just tell it like it is. If someone doesn't like it, I don't usually care anymore...
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The EU has (or at least, had) some fairly strict requirements for parts and service availability for out of production equipment -- even if the company that produced it has been dissolved. I observed this first-hand in a past life in the case of a small and dysfunctionally chaotic British* company by which I - briefly - was employed.
I assume these loudspeakers have been sold on the legitimate market in the EU. There must be consideration for parts and support for the EU at least, no?
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* This was in the 1990s. Britain was still part of the EU in those days.
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nooshinjohn wrote: »Bottom line is when the Legends launched, then the pandemic hit and supply chains fell apart, any hope of there being a renaissance of the brand back into the higher end of audio was doomed. My understanding is that a couple of suppliers in China went under as well, though I do not know that from anyone within the company, but if true, could explain the lack of parts and for low volume as these appear to be, the lack of desire on the part of Polk/Masimo to find alternatives.
To add to this, I have a pair of NAD 2200 PE's that have been refurbished and upgraded by Peter Williams. They were done 2 years apart, one in 2020 and the other in 2022. I'm not an audio engineer so I forget the specific names but he told me that the high end parts he used in my original upgrade were no longer available and I would be getting the last of them in my second amp. He told me he that due to this he had considered charging me more but as I was a previous customer and he had already given me a quote he wanted to honor the original quote.
Point being that I suspect supply chain issues combined with low sales is the culprit here. Polk COULD find alternative suppliers or charge even more for the Legend series but in the end it would not be cost effective for them. So we, as the consumer, lose. -
If you want to buy Polk products and live in California, buy them after 7/1/2024:"California just became the latest state to enact a right to repair law, with Gov. Gavin Newsom signing SB 244 into law in October 2023. The law, known as the Right to Repair Act, requires manufacturers of consumer electronic devices and appliances—from smartphones to dishwashers—to make repair guides, parts and tools for those electronics available to product owners, service and repair facilities, and service dealers. The new law takes effect on July 1, 2024.
Manufacturers of electronics with a wholesale price of $50 to $99.99 must make appropriate parts, tools and documentation—defined terms in section 42488.2(j)[1]—available for three years after the product’s last manufacturing date. For products with a wholesale price of $100 or more, that period increases to seven years. Video game consoles and alarm systems are excluded from the definition of an “electronic or appliance product” and are therefore not covered by the law."
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