Interest check? Power cable beta test

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VR3
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So working on designing an entry level power cable

14 awg, silver plated copper
Heavy duty ends, copper
Heavily shielded and damped, black flex exterior
Ferrite core

Overall diameter expected to be right under one inch thick and be reasonably flexible. Would consider this a component cable versus a power amp cable.

15 Amp ends

4 ft length

Estimating price would be $150 to $175 to purchase. Only cost to demo would be shipping to the next person

Any interest in trying this out and providing feedback /review?
- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • maxward
    maxward Posts: 1,528
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    I’ll bite.
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 16,964
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    If you're doing this in pairs I'm interested..
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  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 12,646
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    All power cable sound same
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,138
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    Pairs? Like two power cables?
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,138
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    So this will be a small run.

    It will be 6 cables, approximately 3.5 ft in length.

    Viborg, pure copper male and female ends (standard IEC, 15 amp)
    10 awg tin plated copper wiring, 600v rated, internally damped
    black flex finish, overall metal mesh shield with additional dampening - around .85" overall diameter
    dual ferrite rings
    finished with heavy duty 3:1 heat shrink over ends and ferrite rings

    Will be $140 shipped

    Depending on the feedback of those 6 in the demo rounds, I will make adjustments.

    Should be ready to send out end of May. I can send a pair of cables as well if that makes the demo make more sense for folks! :)
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • Geoff4rfc
    Geoff4rfc Posts: 2,166
    edited April 25
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    VR3 wrote: »

    Viborg, pure copper male and female ends (standard IEC, 15 amp)

    This sounds pretty cool. I'm down with Viborg products. I've been recently using Viborg pure copper and silver-plated copper banana plugs in my set up.

    I may be interested in your demo offer as well! It sounds like you're putting together a pretty decent cable.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,138
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    I think it will perform really well curious to hear the results and hear everyone's feedback!
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,097
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    Sure as long I'm in the new house and in the new dedicated room.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 16,964
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    VR3 wrote: »
    Pairs? Like two power cables?

    Yes sir..

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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,138
    edited April 25
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    Sure that shouldn't be a problem at all.

    Just wanted to add this will be for established members only.
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  • GlennDog
    GlennDog Posts: 3,097
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    my interest is piqued . . . would deff be WAAY Mo Betta than the stock cable provided by EVS
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  • muncybob
    muncybob Posts: 2,979
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    I'm interested. I've only bought fairly inexpensive power cables and can't say I've heard much(if any) of a difference vs. stock. Maybe my hearing has gotten to the point that I just can't tell?
    These cables will help me to learn if I indeed can hear any difference in high end cables and if I should go down that rabbit hole.
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  • JCL
    JCL Posts: 116
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    I would be interested in comparing cables. Just finishing my two Chanel set up. Picking up a new musical fidelity preamp today to replace an older NAD.
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  • skipshot12
    skipshot12 Posts: 1,023
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    Any interest in doing 6’ cables in the near future…. Interested.

    Skip
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  • Joey_V
    Joey_V Posts: 8,526
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    I’m in
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,138
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    Ok, so I am still waiting on stuff but I have decided the test will Include 3 cords.

    Level 1 shielding
    Level 2 shielding
    Level 3 sheilding

    Level 1 cable assembled
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,138
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    skipshot12 wrote: »
    Any interest in doing 6’ cables in the near future…. Interested.

    Skip

    For right now, I will only be making 3 ft... Ish cables but depending on the feedback, 6 ft would become an option. Just not for a demo program but I could maybe send you one in the future to give a go!
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,546
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    Im gonna wait for the feedback but I will prob be a customer at the end of it all.

    Always good to have some extra power cords in the stable.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,138
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    For right now it's more of like a test run/fun thing to see what different techniques translate to and if someone wants to buy anything that's fine to. I think at the price point they should perform really well.
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  • erniejade
    erniejade Posts: 6,320
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    They look thick. How flexible are they? Any issues with weight and the plug? I had an issue with some power cords weighing too much and the cords slipping out of components or vibrating loose.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,138
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    Their bend and weight is in line with what I am currently using in my system. You would need maybe 6 inches off the wall to do the first 90 from the component

    I have plans for a smaller cable but want to see how this test run goes on this thicker cable and the different shielding methods.
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  • skipshot12
    skipshot12 Posts: 1,023
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    VR3 wrote: »
    skipshot12 wrote: »
    Any interest in doing 6’ cables in the near future…. Interested.

    Skip

    For right now, I will only be making 3 ft... Ish cables but depending on the feedback, 6 ft would become an option. Just not for a demo program but I could maybe send you one in the future to give a go!

    Gotcha……
    Thank you.
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  • CH46E
    CH46E Posts: 3,579
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    I'm guessing this is for IEC not C19?

    I can send you one of these to try out, use and demo to other people if you like.

    Viborg VF523G Hi End Power Connector Pure Red Copper Gold Plated IEC C19 Power Plug, 20Amp Female Audio Mains Plug for Power Cable DIY (VF523G, Gold Plated) https://a.co/d/a8Ma16d
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 18,451
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    Correct.

    Tom
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,138
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    For right now I want to keep everything the same as each cable sent will be a little different, different techniques etc to see feedback differences.

    Based on that feedback can then start doing longer cables, different connectors etc.

    I think this is kind of fun trying different things 😁
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  • muncybob
    muncybob Posts: 2,979
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    I recently read in another forum of a member who bought an expensive PC for his power amp and could not tell any difference vs stock cable. Another member said you would be more likely to hear a difference putting the PC upstream...,DAC, cd player, etc. Is that the general consensus here too?
    Yep, my name really is Bob.
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  • VR3
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    It will be system dependent for sure
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,546
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    Like Trey said it varies and it’s possible there are better improvements to make before one.


    For example, if you DO NOT have a dedicated 15 amp circuit for your gear THAT would be what I would do over a powercable (assuming you are able to wire one).
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 18,451
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    muncybob wrote: »
    I recently read in another forum of a member who bought an expensive PC for his power amp and could not tell any difference vs stock cable. Another member said you would be more likely to hear a difference putting the PC upstream...,DAC, cd player, etc. Is that the general consensus here too?

    Expensive does not necessarily equate to better sonics. I learned that the hard way.

    I heard a HUGE difference in the amp (with a specific amplifier cable) and also with a RAL umbilical.

    That said, I heard an even bigger difference when I upgraded the PC to the pre and the sources.

    Like Trey stated.....it is completely system dependent. Too many variables to tell you what would work 100%.

    Tom
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  • bcwsrt
    bcwsrt Posts: 1,633
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    I saw the thread you’re referring to. I agree with @VR3 and @treitz3. I swapped my stock PC back in to my Rogue Audio tube integrated amp after a couple months of listening to it with a Nordost Red Dawn PC just for grins. I think that lasted about two songs.

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