Assembling a pair of Legends

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nooshinjohn
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The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
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  • xschop
    xschop Posts: 4,741
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    Hey John, when you send the L800 plates, I'll need these dimensions to make a matching set of plates for those L600's....

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    Looking at pics, the L800 plates are alum. alloy...

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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,094
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    You assembled the cabinets? There's no context to your post. What's happening? What's the plan? Where are the drivers?

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • gyosa
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    heiney9 wrote: »
    You assembled the cabinets? There's no context to your post. What's happening? What's the plan? Where are the drivers?

    H9


    Kinda what I was thinking …. What’s going on here …
    Interesting, nonetheless….

    Bk

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  • msg
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    John got a job at Polk. These photos are from training.
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  • Toolfan66
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    Installing Phase Plugs, and foaming the baskets?? B)
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  • nooshinjohn
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    edited April 4
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    Pictured are the crossover components of the L 600 prior to installation. The component on the left is the ATMOS module plug-in. In the center is the main crossover which feeds the tweeter in mid range of drivers, and to the right is the base module for controlling the woofers.

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    More detailed shots of the crossover…

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    And the Bass Module…cal25ji2z3hd.jpg
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    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
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  • nooshinjohn
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    What I am most impressed with is the quality of the PCB board. It’s pretty thick and the traces on this board are very very wide, nothing thin or cheap about it.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
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  • nooshinjohn
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    More images of the wires being installed in the cabinets to their locations. The first image is of the Atmos cable and its enclosure.4cqdadl5h7ji.jpg

    The crossover installed in the back of the cabinet. The crossover is screwed directly to the cabinet, so there’s no chance of rattling or being knocked around. Once the installation is completed, there is a fiberfill matting that will go in front of the crossover.
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    Polk was not kind enough to pre-drill the holes and counter-sinks in place for the bass-modules in one of the cabinets, so I am left to figure out how to get a drill inside to create a mounting spot for one of them. There is so much bracing inside that it makes for tight quarters in there. Also, the MDF these are constructed with is incredibly dense. I will just take my time on this and not rush. Rome was not built in a day, and getting these going won't happen in a day either...
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    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
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  • nooshinjohn
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    xschop wrote: »
    Hey John, when you send the L800 plates, I'll need these dimensions to make a matching set of plates for those L600's....

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    Looking at pics, the L800 plates are alum. alloy...

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    Thanks... The measurements to the centers of each binding post are accurate on the L800 plate. The difference being that the plates are wider by 1/2 inch to either side of the plate's centerline.
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    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
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  • nooshinjohn
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    All of the wiring is in place just waiting for the drivers to show up at this time. I will post more when I get them.t3nodns9q81g.jpg
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    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
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  • nooshinjohn
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    ...And yes, one of my pilot holes went too deep due to being distracted by my two-year old while running the Dremel... pisses me off, but at least it's on the back. I will be able to get a decent blend to fill it and it will be hardly noticed after that.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
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  • msg
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    Wow what a project. Pretty cool. Where does something like this fall percentage-wise compared to buying a pair outright?
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  • VR3
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    Back when definitive was bought by sound united they sold diy kits from the parts warehouse on ebay... Super fun at great prices

    I know buying parts from Polk msrp is super expensive
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  • nooshinjohn
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    VR3 wrote: »
    Back when definitive was bought by sound united they sold diy kits from the parts warehouse on ebay... Super fun at great prices

    I know buying parts from Polk msrp is super expensive

    I think this is kind of fun actually… there is a bit of pride of knowing you put them together, and a better understanding of how they work.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
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  • VR3
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    Absolutely, I really enjoyed the definitive kits... I'm not sure why manufactures don't offer more products like a kit
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  • msg
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    Returns and poor reviews after weak assembly practices? Maybe I'm losing faith in people.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,094
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    Ok, I thought maybe that's what was going on. I know you were pricing all the components and I appreciate the PM on the cost of replacement x-overs.

    I decided at this time buying an extra set of L600 crossover to repopulate with upgraded parts will be too expensive at this time. Too bad I can't get a couple of blank pcb's. I am afraid of botching the originals, so I'd rather work on a 2nd pair. $238 per cross over.

    Yes, document away B)

    H9

    P.s. I just heard from a dealer that the Legend line is being discontinued. I hope parts are available for a while.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • Toolfan66
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    heiney9 wrote: »
    P.s. I just heard from a dealer that the Legend line is being discontinued. I hope parts are available for a while.

    I have wondered about this for a while now, and I would love to have a set of L200's..

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  • Emlyn
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    Polk website says the L200s are now only available "in store" rather than direct. It appears Masimo is handling the wind down of this line better than Sound United did with the LSiM line.
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  • nooshinjohn
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    heiney9 wrote: »

    P.s. I just heard from a dealer that the Legend line is being discontinued. I hope parts are available for a while.

    I have my doubts on the parts. Trim rings are no longer available and were never stocked to begin with. Binding plates/posts are also not available. That is why I am trying like hell to get as many spares as I can, especially as Masimo is looking to dump the CA division once again. LSIM parts dried up quickly the last time Polk changed hands, and they were not able to fill warranty needs a year after they stopped making them. It might happen that way again, and I have too much tied up in the Legend series to be schitt outta luck.
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    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
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  • Toolfan66
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    Even tho I have never had any issues with my LSiM speakers, if they do the same thing with the Reserve/Legend lines, I would probably be done purchasing any more Polk Audio Products..
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  • msg
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    Yeah, mixed feelings on the parts availability, and I don't wanna jinx myself by making any statements, but...

    How many times have responsible owners experienced component failure from general, or even spirited use, vs. damage from abuse or party accidents/cats/kids?

    I've read here that the LSiM tweeters were failing. I wonder if that was across the entire production run, or just toward the end. I remember seeing that the binding posts were different on some of the later produced speakers.
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  • JCL
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    Are the tweeters in the legends a different model than those in the reserve series and are all of the drivers different versions also?
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  • nooshinjohn
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    JCL wrote: »
    Are the tweeters in the legends a different model than those in the reserve series and are all of the drivers different versions also?
    The tweeters and mids are supposedly the same part.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
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  • Emlyn
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    Not sure if this has been posted before but I just noticed it. An FAQ from Polk on how to properly remove a Legend tweeter if someone wants to look around inside and compare to a Reserve tweeter:

    https://support.polkaudio.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/7215/~/polk-legend-series-tweeter-removal
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  • heiney9
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    JCL wrote: »
    Are the tweeters in the legends a different model than those in the reserve series and are all of the drivers different versions also?

    I had heard like John, same parts (as well as the mid driver), different x-over and in the early Legend line a different bass port. I thought I had read recently that the later Legends had the same style/function port as the Reserve series.

    It does do the brand a huge disservice to discontinue parts as soon as the line is discontinued. One of Polks long standing character was parts availability long after a line was discontinued.

    Sorry, for taking this of topic. I'll start a new thread so we don't muck this one up any more. It should stay on topic since it's of interest to many people.

    New thread for Legend discontinuation

    https://forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/200177/legend-line-being-discontinued/p1?new=1

    H9

    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • msg
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    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    JCL wrote: »
    Are the tweeters in the legends a different model than those in the reserve series and are all of the drivers different versions also?
    The tweeters and mids are supposedly the same part.

    They're not even the same size, John. One is for tweeter holes.
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  • mhardy6647
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    msg wrote: »
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    JCL wrote: »
    Are the tweeters in the legends a different model than those in the reserve series and are all of the drivers different versions also?
    The tweeters and mids are supposedly the same part.

    They're not even the same size, John. One is for tweeter holes.

    Oh. It's humor. Hahahahaha...

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  • heiney9
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    The bezels for the tweets are different, the actual parts of the tweeter are the same, IIRC.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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